Anyone Have Experience with These Training Providers?

5 day BB training….I’ve heard of that and it’s a joke if you want them to learn the DMAIC methodology, change management, technical skills, and project demonstration.

Training sold without the strongly optioned on-site support should be looked at with suspicion. Training by itself won’t get results unless a strong support network already exists within the client to support the belts coming back from class sessions.

Ali, I recognize what you are saying BUT it’s not how they are marketing themselves when you click on the “Who should take the course” section.

Chris,

We make it clear that anyone doing a fast track black belt must have successfully completed a lot of pre-work:

Prior to the training we ask delegates to complete the following e-learning modules:

o Introduction to the training and the process
o Certification and project set up
o Lean Six Sigma Green Belt course
o Basic Problem Solving
o Basic Stats
o Introduction to Minitab
o Common Graphical displays

• Review any previous projects and work completed and or prepare a project to work on
We do not accept anyone on a fast track course until they have completed the above pre-course work.

I have recently completed a Fast Track Black Belt with 100% Effective Training. I am a director for a UK company and I found the course was exactly what I was looking for. I didn’t have the time to attend a full black belt course, so the 5 day course was very attractive. Prior to the course I have worked on LSS projects and I have a working knowledge of minitab but I didn’t possess the qualification. Within my company we will be undertaking a deployment within the next 6 months and so I required exposure to the tools both for operational and strategic reasons. The pre work was very extensive and required me to work through the entire LSS green belt course online and to complete various statistical topics. I cannot recommend 100% Effective Training highly enough.

Hi Usman, I completed a 5 day intensive Lean six sigma black belt training course with 100% effective training back in Feb 2011. In my opinion everyone is different and every client requires a different solution.I have been involved with lean since the early 90`s, self taught,hands on experience and numerous training courses, SMED,5`s,tools and techniques,VSM,six sigma etc. In 2009 I set up my own consultancy,focused very much on delivering sustainable improvements through hands on involvement and the development of people, We must be doing something right as we haven’t stopped working since we started.In 2010 I lost a tender purely because i wasn’t a certified Black belt.Having all this experience I really thought i didn’t need an extensive course. I needed a very intensive be-spoke solution.As you have discovered there are numerous training providers out there! I can honestly say i chose 100% Effective because they listened to my requirements and provided a solution. the training was one on one, supplied to suit my workload,at a location to suit myself. I was vetted intensively prior to them agreeing to provide the course and it was supported by a fantastic on-line resource and a fantastic team of people over the phone,since attending the course I have worked with and used the support network of 100% training on several occasions.The training was over 5 days and if your people have been exposed to lean and six sigma prior, then it is an option,however your trainees will be tested and vetted prior to being allowed to take the course. This was the most important aspect for me as I know I passed my Black belt course based on my knowledge, not my wallet. I wouldn’t hesitate in recommending speaking to 100% effective training to see if they can provide you with a solution.

Hi Usman, just to clarify. you are required to submit 2 successful projects prior to certification.regards Sean.

To those who cite the effectiveness of the Fast Track course I find it terrific that it met your needs however is it proper to title it Black Belt? Seems another name should be found rather than create a course that contains nowhere the content of what is historically known to be the BOK for BB yet call it BB. I think that reflects very poorly on our industry.

• This reply was modified 370 days ago by  Robert Jackson.

Learning is an individualized process, and while there may be some individuals who, by virtue of prior knowledge gained, or just a very adept way of incorporating new knowledge, may be able to short-cut the BB BOK and effectively absorb it in just a week, I would tend to believe that this is the rare outlier, and not the norm.

Two decades of experience shows that DMAIC BB BOK is best absorbed in one week long increments conducted about 1 month apart over the course of 4 months. This allows for absorption of content and practice on a real project. This is, and has shown itself to be, a good model.

BTW – with all the caveat’s thrown in, the one week training really isn’t one week, rather you’ve done all the other work over the course of time in completing the pre-req’s.

For what it’s worth, I also support MoreSteam on-line training. And no, I don’t get anything for saying so.

Just my humble opinion.

@CFB, and just how do you propose one obtain that information? Accurately that is…

I don’t…but if you are suggesting finding a useful answer to that question would be overly difficult, then our experiences differ. But I think Carnell hit it on the head, per usual.

The “universal” certification is not known and the organization is not respected. It’s just a scam.

@Mike-Carnell: Real and up front as requested — your last post at first surprised me, and then upset me, and then finally it dismayed me as I expected better.

However, I’m a good sport and I’ll mark it up to my neutral/objective responses perhaps being too easily interpreted as support for any particular training provider. In any case, we are all entitled to making mistakes as long as intentions are good and we learn from them. Some of your feedback was quite helpful to me and for that I remain very appreciative. Thank you.

Oh crap, next thing we know, he will be tossing a chair at Mr. Aziz

@Darth @MBBinWI No chairs. Just my honest opinion but Mr. Aziz “expected better.” That would seem to imply that better is giving him the answer he wants as opposed to the answer I believed to be the honest one. Once we get into that realm it becomes a completely inane conversation.

Every now and then you get into a hypothesis test where the answer is so obvious that you don’t need to do the test to know the answer. You do it anyhow just for the sake of rigor but nobody really needs to see the analysis. Lets see a 5 day cert that is equal in value to everyone else who has done the training, done the projects and had mentoring. That becomes a rhetorical question or at least should have been. The worst part is that it opened the door or was contrived to open the door to conversation that skirted the no self promotion policy.

Welcome back Darth. MBBinWI seems to have been filling your vacant shoes pretty well however he does not appear to be as old and grouchy as you.

Just my opinion

@Darth, @MBBinWI, Gentlemen: Thank you for the refreshing comments. What I expected better from @Mike-Carnell was not jumping to conclusions so quickly (or passionately).

Despite my personal opinions, without any experience with or feedback from people with experience with these two training providers I felt obligated to ask before simply making my sole recommendation.

Suffice it to say that I would not need much feedback to determine whether ASQ’s blended LSS BB training with only 3 days in class instruction might be effective as I have had good experience with ASQ training and recognize its excellent reputation. The ASQ training comes with much preparation including live web instruction and mentoring so that definitely helps. Unfortunately there is no in class training by ASQ in the Middle East that I am aware of.

As for certification, I don’t hold much regard for it either but understand why some might and why it can thus be important.

The fact that my question may have facilitated some apparent promotion is beyond my control, but I think/expect our audience is smart enough to weigh the evidence themselves.

No hard feelings, and best to all. :-)

@Carnell ,from your posts, you reminded me in Bush administrations and how much value they have added to the world. You have demoralized the whole series with your arrogance and accusations with out standing on objective evidence.
Please, unlearn and learn again , the cowboys time have gone forever .

FYI , I don’t know any blogger her , I just was looking for good LSS training and come across this .