Phill Perry
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| April 24, 2012 at 11:32 pm #180854 | |
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Phill Perry @phillperry Reputation - 46 Rank - Aluminum
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First, I know this is a personal decision that I must make myself, but I figured it wouldn’t hurt to gain some advice from this forum. I am currently wrapping up my junior year at Purdue University (Major: Quantitative Agricultural Economics–Minor: Communications), and was unable to secure a solid internship this summer. My GPA is good (3.52), but my extracurricular involvement hasn’t taken off until this year, which means I am substantially behind my peers. Furthermore, after taking some econometrics and forecasting classes, I got really interested in supply chain/logistics/quality control. Unfortunately, this “spark” hit too late in my collegiate career; my senior year is already filled with research commitments so I cannot change my plan of study. At any rate, I have decided to take some supply chain/logistics courses over the summer. I also have been researching six sigma, and was wondering if it is worth pursuing a training course? After perusing through this forum and google, I found two viable options for training: Villanova and Morestream. However, after reading a boat load of topics in this forum, I found that many don’t suggest training unless you are currently holding a position within a “six sigma friendly” company (i.e. it doesn’t exactly boost your resume and you will find it hard to capture projects as you escalate into BB). So, should I just leisurely train myself in six sigma through books, research, etc (since I already have a very solid understanding of statistics)? Or, should I commit my finances to a training course? I’m really looking into ways that I can expand my marketability as a future employee (within the bounds of my interests), so any help would be much appreciated. Best Regards, PS Sorry this is long! |
| April 25, 2012 at 5:32 am #180856 | |
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MBBinWI @MBBinWI Reputation - 2587 Rank - Titanium
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@phillperry – first, I commend you for doing your due diligence and researching what has already been hashed over. Second, what is your objective in learning six sigma? Expanding your skill set will always be beneficial, but the form of gaining those skills may change depending on what you plan on doing with them. If you’re looking to get into the field directly, you’ll need certification and a portfolio of projects. If you’re looking for an expanded tool box of knowledge to help you in whatever field you ultimately end up in, then a good training course (regardless of “certification”) would be the path. For the former, MoreSteam would be my recommendation (I have no affiliation with them just know the quality of their program/people). It sounds like you are enough of a self-starter that grabbing a couple of well presented books on the subject might be sufficient for the latter. If I remember correctly there was a forum thread on such awhile back (maybe my friend @katiebarry can post the link here?). Just a word of caution – if your understanding of statistics is from a college prob/stats course, you’ll find that applied statistics, especially in six sigma, is just a bit different. We rarely pull cards from a deck, roll dice, or flip coins (except when deciding where to go for lunch – lol). SS is more about understanding confidence levels and risks of making wrong decisions. Rarely can we be absolutely sure of being right, rather the objective is to be confident enough that the chance of being wrong is sufficiently small so as to make the decision. This is a tough concept for some people. Good luck. |
| April 25, 2012 at 6:14 am #180859 | |
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Phill Perry @phillperry Reputation - 46 Rank - Aluminum
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@MBBinWI Thanks for the response! I have several objectives in learning six sigma: 1) Within the ag industry, the movement is towards “factory” farms, and I could see there being a higher demand for quality control as firms get larger (some six sigma concepts apparently originated in ag), 2) The skills within six sigma are transferable across several industries and therefore beneficial if I pursue logistics/supply chain/quality control outside of the Ag sector, 3) I am genuinely very interested in the topic for its own sake and see it as being a beneficial tool to add to my repertoire of skills. When I first researched six sigma, I was all for going through the course/getting certified throughout the summer. But, then I got cold feet as I went through some of the forum topics. It seems the education is much more worth it if you already have a job at a “six sigma company” and can exploit your education in real world projects. Also, it seems it does little in enhancing your resume unless you can highlight the results it gave to XYZ company. So, I guess I’m still debating. But, here’s a follow up question: Say I get educated in GB material…would I be able to initiate some sort of project(s) in a “non six sigma” company, and then use the results to leverage my break into a real six sigma project? I know for a fact that my experience and education alone would not allow me to get the break that I need to advance my career opportunities. Some might say I chose the wrong major, heh. |
| April 25, 2012 at 7:34 am #180860 | |
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Katie Barry @KatieBarry Reputation - 7998 Rank - Gold
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Happy to help @MBBinWI – @phillperry – Here’s that discussion: http://www.isixsigma.com/topic/what-is-your-favorite-educational-lean-six-sigma-book-for-new-green-belts/ |
| April 25, 2012 at 9:57 am #180861 | |
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MBBinWI @MBBinWI Reputation - 2587 Rank - Titanium
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@phillperry – As I always tell folks, Six Sigma is 50% tools and 50% (and sometimes MORE) culture change. It’s good to have some real-world experience in order to fully appreciate the second part. I’ve seen some very smart and capable statisticians who are not good belts. That’s one of the reasons for seeing a track record of successful projects. One opportunity that folks often overlook in seeking out projects are local non-profits. Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, YMCA, food pantries, churchs, etc. are usually trying to stretch limited funds to limitless projects. Helping them to become more efficient/effective as a training project has multiple benefits, both to you and them. You can do a project in any company, it’s just that a company that already embraces six sigma has lower barriers related to terminology and understanding (NOT non-existant, just lower). If you do your project in a non-six sigma company, just call it continuous improvement. I would spend more time using graphs (nearly everything done with a statistical tool can be graphically portrayed) to describe things than in a SS company. As for the Ag industry, it is far gone to industrialization, and generally for the better. My grandparents had a dairy farm and I spent summers working there – learned a lot of things about prioritization and pragmatism as well as developing a love for machinery. My kids never had that experience. That said, we couldn’t afford the innefficiency of that family farm. |
| April 25, 2012 at 12:25 pm #180862 | |
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Phill Perry @phillperry Reputation - 46 Rank - Aluminum
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@KatieBarry Thanks for linking me to the topic regarding SS resources. I will definitely check them out! @MBBinWI Thanks to you, too. I hadn’t thought of possibilities in non-profit organizations. That is a genuine opportunity I could explore after training. Also, I definitely agree with Ag being gone to industrialization. For the past 5 years I have worked on a large dairy (4,000+ head), and its fascinating to see how the ag industry transforms year to year. I mentioned doing a project for a non-sigma corporation because I could potentially execute it within this specific dairy or the larger parent company (Fair Oaks Farms, LLC). As you said, it would be harder to communicate the terms/processes of SS to a non-sigma corporation; however, I feel such a project would be fun, easily accessible (since I’ve been exposed to various aspects of the business), and experimental in nature. At any rate, thanks to you both again for your direction. |
| April 25, 2012 at 1:47 pm #180876 | |
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MBBinWI @MBBinWI Reputation - 2587 Rank - Titanium
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@phillperry – good luck. Come back and let us know how it went (or bring back questions when/if you have them). |
| May 1, 2012 at 1:56 pm #181003 | |
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Chris Seider @cseider Reputation - 3008 Rank - Titanium
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You can’t go wrong with MoreSteam….my two cents. |
| May 1, 2012 at 3:56 pm #181013 | |
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Mike Carnell @Mike-Carnell Reputation - 3168 Rank - Titanium
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@phillperry I second Chris’ comment about Moresteam. Actually I wouldn’t even mention Villanova (which is not Villanova – it is Bisk – read all the fine print on the website) in the same sentence with Moresteam. Moresteam does have an offering for a “less than free MBB” that might be quick and interesting. This is just my opinion. You sound motivated and obviously still young. Relax a little. Enjoy life and get some experience. You have a lot of time to get this stuff done. I always found out the classroom made more sense once I had done something other than school. Best of luck to you. |
| May 1, 2012 at 6:55 pm #181017 | |
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MBBinWI @MBBinWI Reputation - 2587 Rank - Titanium
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@Mike-Carnell – the ref for the “less than free MBB” would be ISSISSIPPI (my own alma mater). I think they use Moresteam as a portal. |
| May 2, 2012 at 3:04 pm #181068 | |
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Mike Carnell @Mike-Carnell Reputation - 3168 Rank - Titanium
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@MBBinWI I think there is some type of symbiotic relationship there. Bill dreams it and ISSISSIPPI builds it – and we all know “if you build it they will come.” |
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