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  • June 24, 2020 at 1:11 am #248556

    [email protected]
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    if 99.7 % of the targets are within 3 sigma limits, then how exactly does 6 sigma explains itself? (how does iot affect the USL & LSL)

    are we extending the tolerance levels? or confining the targets to be within the 6 sigma levels?

    moreover is 6 standard deviations greater or lesser than 3 standard deviations in the normal distribution?

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    June 26, 2020 at 2:09 am #248617

    Strayer
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    I’m guessing that you’re conflating the +/- 3 sigma control limits in control charts with customer specification limits.  They’re quite different.  Control  limits, calculated variation from the mean, tell us whether or not the process is under control.  Whether or  not variation is within specification limits is a different question.

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    June 28, 2020 at 4:20 am #248661

    Shamshul othman
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    I think u are confused abt spec limits and control limits. While they look the same but actually they are world apart. Spec limits are values provided by customer on their product specs. While control limits are guides on your input parameter range for production control purposes. While 99.7% looks good on low volume production, imagine if you are producing 30million pcs of semiconductor permonth, that 0.3% defects  is equal to 900, 000pcs of defect every month.

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    June 29, 2020 at 1:53 pm #248678

    Mike Carnell
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    You need to take this a piece at a time, Start with you last question “moreover is 6 standard deviations greater or lesser than 3 standard deviations in the normal distribution?” If you cannot answer this or understand this then the discussion od control limits and spec limits will never make any sense to you.

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    July 23, 2020 at 2:33 pm #249064

    Chris Seider
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    @mike-carnell “what about 4.5 sigma”?  :)

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    July 23, 2020 at 2:46 pm #249065

    Robert Butler
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    @cseider – well, welcome back…question – your elapsed time for your most recent group of responses is 62 minutes, 57 minutes, 14 minutes, 8 minutes, and 7 minutes….what happened between 57 and 14?  Lunch break?  :-)

    Take Care

    P.S. where I work the IT department is really on the ball as far as fighting Covid is concerned.  This morning I logged in to work and shortly after I signed on I happened to sneeze. A split second later the computer started running an anti-virus program.

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    July 23, 2020 at 3:03 pm #249066

    Mike Carnell
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    @cseider Let’s see if I draw a line and mark 0 then mark off 1-10 at equal intervals on the line and then mark 3, 4.5 and 6 I might get a clue.

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    July 26, 2020 at 11:24 am #249102

    Fausto Galetto
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    Before asking questions one must study a bit ….

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    July 27, 2020 at 11:39 pm #249124

    Chris Seider
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    Sadly, I saw study materials from a course at a university MBA program state that 6 sigma is because of the +/- 3 sigma.  Amazing how diluted the teachings are from the early 90s.

    I wasn’t in the class but told the student that wasn’t six sigma meant.

     

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    July 28, 2020 at 9:39 pm #249138

    Gordon Paisley
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    Seth,

    I’ll take your question at face value since I’m new to the discussion.

    The USL and LSL are given to you by your customer.  These specifications determine the range of variability within which they will accept output variation.

    The sigma levels describe how a process performs *with respect to* those limits.  It describes how well the process meets the customer’s specifications.

    99.7% sounds pretty good for a process, and depending on what you’re building, it may be decent, but in the industry I come from–the airline industry–I don’t think anyone would fly if 3 flights out of 1000 failed.

    Gordon

     

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    August 29, 2020 at 6:35 pm #249645

    MBBinWI
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    @rbutler – Big Brother is always watching ;-}

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    August 29, 2020 at 6:39 pm #249646

    MBBinWI
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    @cseider – so, you’re telling me it aint?  Oh, I get it, +3 and -3 must be Zero sigma ;-}

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    August 29, 2020 at 6:41 pm #249647

    MBBinWI
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    @Mike-Carnell – and don’t get me started on the whole “1.5 sigma shift” bullshizzle.

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