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  • #43570

    Elbrin
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    Why do I see so many posts lately asking for help with a thesis or research paper?  Is our profession suddenly so appealing to academics?  If so, how can anyone who has never implemented a new process, or had to sell a machine operator that he must change for the good of the entire company, presume to write anything of substantive on this subject.  Thank you, but I don’t need another case study to read about, or some abstract article on why companies should implement Six Sigma.  And if I have deal with one more 27 year old “former” consultant that just got his MBA from the local alma-mater and thinks he deserves a fast track to a corner office because he wrote a paper on six sigma, I’m gonna go postal.  I don’t know why these guys get paid so much they are literally a dime a dozen and not worth 5 cents.
    Stepping down off my soap box now.

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    #138371

    clb1
    Participant

    So True!!!!! At a dime a dozen they would be worth 1.2 cents apiece  and 1.2 cents, even for very large values of 1.2 cents,  does not equal 5 cents!
    :-)

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    #138372

    clb1
    Participant

    Hmmm …must have been the lack of coffee – try .83 cents apiece!
    :-)

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    #138373

    Ken Feldman
    Participant

    If some of our gentler heart posters would stop helping them but respond as I like to do….nasty, cynical and insulting….maybe they will get the hint and actually do their own research.  Thanks for your comments.

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    #138375

    OLD
    Participant

    Darth/Elbrin:
     
    You’re right….. It seems (these days) that there are not enough people being told that their thesis topics and research papers are weak. There was a time when the Masters thesis was supposed to be creative, innovative, add value to your career field, and passionately defended (the thesis advisors on your team saw to that). It seems, that time and the creation of the MBA (and subsequent research topic/paper) may have diluted the requirements?
     
    Looking back, the process of: selecting an advisory team, selecting an appropriate topic, researching something I knew little about, listening/learning from the advisory team’s constructive criticism, and having to defend my thoughts was a very valuable life lesson. Too bad others are missing out…..
     Good Luck! OLD

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    #138390

    Stevo
    Member

    Elby,
    MBA, hell I’m just trying to get my GED.
    Stevo
    Ps.  No recent increase, I’ve been making fun of them for years.

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    #138404

    Tierradentro
    Participant

    Funny,
    I am 27, have 3 degrees from University of Michigan and I am sick of old idiots never wanting to change their ancient ways.  In addition, the large portion of our older workers have gotten so bad in their lack of change adaptability, that they do not care that the economy has fallen on their watch.
    I have worked as an Electrical Engineer for 3 years, 3 years as a quality enineer, and 2 as a Black Belt.  I am currently in Master Black Belt Training at a very large Six Sigma company.  Day in and day out, I have to show people in their 40’s / 50’s how to do basic statistical methods and watch them hunt and peck for 10 minutes and learn how to use a mouse for another 15. 
    But don’t worry, the new crop dosent have the benefits of factory jobs and guranteed Social Security like the rest of the folk did.  We will fix the economy and restore American quality to what it has never been, better then the Japanese.  For years scholars like Demming were unheard by the amazingly intellegent older and more experienced engineers.  Good call on that one.
    I guess somewhere between seeing what it was like to be an American engineer and realising that we are no londer engineers, but playing catch-up to the rest of the world, that I had to be better, hence the Six Sigma.
    But don’t worry I you will most likely be replaced by that young buck with 3 degrees and 4 years experiene.
    This is not a attack on older engineers in general, just the majority I work with the OEM auto industry.
    Good luck with that.  I will send you a post card from the top…
    John

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    #138405

    Charles H.
    Participant

    Glad to see our universities are doing the same job of pumping out stalwart “young idiot” graduates who think nobody had a brain before they arrived on the scene.  Let us know how you’re doing in about 13 years from now.  Like with my children, it’s amazing how smart their parents got as they aged.

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    #138447

    Elbrin
    Participant

    Case and Point

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    #138448

    Ben Royal
    Participant

    John,
    We await your postcard.

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    #138457

    Ken Feldman
    Participant

    John,
    I am 27(58), have 3(4) degrees from (the) University of Michigan (other U of M) and I am sick of old (young) idiots never wanting to (respect)change their (the) ancient ways.  (Who do they think developed and invented the things that they use today?) In addition, the large portion of our older workers have gotten so bad in their lack of change adaptability, that they do not care that the economy has fallen on their watch.  (Gee, do you really think that the economy is a result of our older workers or something more global and political? Maybe young engineers need to get their heads out of their axxes and computers and study the world around them?)
    I have worked as an Electrical (Industrial) Engineer for 3 (36 years)years, 3 (30) years as a quality enineer (engineer, old timers can spell), and 2 (10 years) as a (Master) Black Belt.  I am currently in Master Black Belt Training at a very large Six Sigma company (Can’t be much bigger than GE or BOA where I have worked).  Day in and day out, I have to show people in their 40’s / 50’s how to do basic statistical methods and watch them hunt and peck for 10 minutes and learn how to use a mouse for another 15 (And since when did 40s and 50s become old??? Now I’m hurt.  Funny thing is I have to teach people in their 20s and 30s how to do basic arithmetic, spelling and English. )
    But don’t worry, the new crop dosent (you probably meant doesn’t but don’t might work better) have the benefits of factory jobs and guranteed (personally I would like it to be guaranteed) Social Security like the rest of the folk (shame it was only one folk) did.  We will fix the economy and restore American quality to what it has never been, better then (then or than?) the Japanese.  For years scholars like Demming (Personally, I don’t know who this is but I did study with Dr. W. Edwards Deming) were unheard by the amazingly intellegent (intelligent people can spell intelligent) older and more experienced engineers.  Good call on that one.
    I guess somewhere between seeing what it was like to be an American engineer and realising that we are no londer (or longer) engineers, but playing catch-up to the rest of the world, that I had to be better, hence the Six Sigma (guess since we are catching up to the rest of the world means we don’t have an immigration problem where everyone wants to come to the US.  Whew, I was worried there for a minute).
    But don’t worry I you (Which one, I or you?  Must be schizoid) will most likely be replaced by that young buck with 3 degrees and 4 years experiene. (I will be replaced by people with experience.  And as you can see, 3 degrees and 4 years of experience doesn’t really impress me or many other Forum posters.)
    This is not a attack on older engineers in general, just the majority I work with (in) the OEM auto industry. (Never worked in that industry so I will take your word for it since you have really impressed me.)
    Good luck with that.  I will send you a post card from the top…(Been there, not such a great view.)

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    #138459

    GomezAdams
    Participant

    Loved it Darth!!!

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    #138461

    sis
    Member

    Johnny – Mom says to get off Dad’s computer and pick up your room before dinner.  And do your spelling list!
    Sis

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    #138462

    Brit
    Participant

    Nice to see the corrections. Love your posts.  Give ’em heck!!!
    This kid might get tot the top, but he’ll be an old (“40ish) man before he does.  Then where will he be in terms of the next young punk who thinks he knows everything? 

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    #138463

    Old OEM Auto Guy
    Participant

    John,
    Did they do away with courses on ethics while you pursued your 3 degrees?  In case you didn’t learn it, ageism is a form of discrimination. 
    In your extensive experience, please enlighten me and this forum on how you and your “young buck” peers will fix the economy and beat Japan in quality.  I’d really like to know how you will do that by trashing those that came before you.  Your attitude as a change agent (still a function of a BB or MBB last I checked) is pretty dismal. 
    Send me a postcard when you hit bottom, because with your attitude you will not get to the top.
    Old OEM Auto Guy

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    #138464

    BOAMBB
    Participant

    *wipes tear away*
    Simply beautiful, Darth.

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    #138467

    Ken Feldman
    Participant

    Can we use it for my eulogy or write it on my headstone….really really big headstone?

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    #138470

    BOAMBB
    Participant

    Sure!  May I suggest a stone in the shape of a sigma?  My father-in-law was funeral director, and I think he can get me a discount on the stone cutting…..

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    #138479

    Jered Horn
    Participant

    Fantastic, Darth!  Knew we could count on you to express what we were thinking.
    I’m a “young buck” as well (34), but haven’t been so convoluted with quite

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    #138480

    Jered Horn
    Participant

    (Not sure how that happened)
    …as much of the Academics the original poster has.  Sounds like an idiot to me.

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    #138481

    McD
    Participant

    I’d go easy on the kid.  He studied at UofM, worked in the auto industry, probably still in Michigan.
    In recent years we in Michigan have had a governer who has been doing a stellar job of protecting us in Michigan from the recent recovery afflicting much of the nation.
    He has spent his entire working life in a place where the only people who haven’t left are either retired, or are tired old auto workers who think the UAW will save them from the evils of the economy.
    Since his sample apparently only included the badly-broken U.S. auto industry, I wouldn’t be surprised if his observations weren’t far from the mark.
    Admittedly, I have only had a couple of brushes with the industry, one ancient, the other recent.  In both cases I came away astonished at just how dysfunctional the industry seems to be.
    –McD
     

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    #138497

    Mikel
    Member

    Darth, I said last week that I had not seen anything incredibly stupid for a while – I guess John was trying to make up for it.
    For the record, I don’t believe he has three U of M degrees. He sounds and writes too stupid to have made it that far with them.

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    #138505

    Ken Feldman
    Participant

    He sounded about right for that U of M but certainly not for my U of M  :-).   Why don’t you run down the street and check with the registrar to see if they have a dumb John with three degrees.  Should be a nice day to take out the Mustang.  Hope all is well and that the little Stans and Mrs. Stans are doing well.  Pinches to Babe of a Sister.

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    #138506

    Milton Maury
    Participant

    …Funny that such an advanced-thinking, learned colleague would use the “post card” as his default form of communication. 
    Milton

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    #138507

    Ed
    Participant

    So one can be knowledgable without being very intelligent.  Or so it would seem???
    So at the age of 27 this individual earned three degrees and worked in industry for 8 years?  So he graduated at the age of 19 on the first degree and studied nights / worked days over the next 8 years on the next two degrees?  Or… the math just gets more confusing from this point on…

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    #138508

    Tierradentro
    Participant

    Everyone relax, I was simply informing the gentleman that posted the argument about 27 year old idiots.
    I did not take the time to use spell check, thanks for the numerous corrections.
    Everyone I have ever learned from was an elder to me, I did not mean that comment in general to all people, and for that I do apologize.  I am glad to see everyone has had fun with it.
    As for the degrees, I do have 3, from University of Michigan – Ann Arbor.  BSEE, MSIE, and MBA.  Anyone who has a Michigan degree can attest to the difficulty of achieving them, but that is not a big deal.  I went there because I like the staff and enjoy the curriculum.  I graduated from High-School at 17 and worked from the summer of my graduation, till about 3 months ago, year round.  I went nights to school and paid for it myself.
    If anyone has worked as an automotive supplier or OEM engineer, it does not take long for them to understand my gripes.  I am aware that I am by no means the best industrial engineer by a far cry, but I believe that I have a drive to learn and succeed that is greater then most I have encountered.
    I hear at least 3 times a day, that is not my job.  No one takes accountability or pride in their work, again a generalization not applying to everyone.  Some where along the line, we forgot how to work hard and SMART.  I work on a daily basis to teach others the little knowledge I have captured through my studies.
    The supplier and OEM are in constant battle, this is where I think Mr. Deming would tell us we should work together to grow the industry rather then to make a short term buck.
    The difference between my attitudes with the state of our industry is that I have not been beaten by the Japanese, that was the generation before me.  If I want to have an economy left for my children, we have no choice but to do better.  I have been in Toyota plants and seen their ability to do things right again and again.  Line members in Toyota plants, even in the US, are full of pride for their jobs and ability to influence the company as a system, rather then a component.  They have as many problems as us, they just handle them better from a root cause, rather then short term healing
    Excuse my earlier post; it was, as has been said, my foolish young age.  My passion can not be denied, I will do better then those before me.
    Good Luck
     

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    #138510

    EdG
    Participant

    You hear, “it’s not my job” where you are at?  You should see what it is like in the Federal Government…
    It gets really fun when you determine that it actually IS THEIR JOB…  …but then that would be an entirely new stream…
     

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    #138513

    Ken Feldman
    Participant

    If you are indeed the original John the poster, then I applaud you for coming forth and acknowledging some of the failings of your last post.  You must be making some progress since I just came across this article:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060601/ap_on_bi_ge/autos_productivity
    Now, if you can figure out how to deal with the economic, political and union issues, your children might one day have a job at a US auto manufacturer.  Don’t lose the passion but learn to temper the dogma and criticism.  And it’s DR. Deming not Mr. Deming….us PhD types get very touchy about this after spending lots of time and money buying…oops I mean earning the degree.  Right Dr. Vinny????

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    #138516

    Ben Royal
    Participant

    John,
    I guessed it was a bad day. Glad to see the reflection, but do not lose the passion. It will take both to get to the top.
    Ben

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    #138524

    Dr. Vinny
    Participant

    Correct’amundo Dr. D., in fact some of us should be more sensitive than we are.  But, as they say in the ole Cath. Lab, “…ya seen one right ventricle ya seen ‘em all…”  unless, it iseems, as it applies to beloved quality guru professionals.  
     
    Besides, it’s not the price of the diploma that’s important, it’s what you can make people think it’s worth that’s important.  Right Dr. D.?
     
    Dr. Vinny

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    #138525

    Ken Feldman
    Participant

    Dr. V,
    Much like the vaunted SS certifications.  You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can fool consultant hiring business executives all of the time….so it would seem.  Just sorry I did my dissertation before discovering this Forum.  Could have saved a lot of time and work.

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    #138529

    Dr. Vinny
    Participant

    I fully agree.  Frequently I’ve bemoaned my past plight of having done most of my graduate research in a non-wired (OK, maybe in a sense I was usually wired, I just meant non-electronically internet availed) environment, but the power of research via this Forum exceeds even the intrinsic benefits of a Google centric world.  
     
    There’s no need to actually go to the internet and run through mind numbing Boolean search combinations and really no need to even use this Forum’s search feature – you just have to ask a question and information literally floods your way.   You do have to remember though not to simply cut and paste your research directly from the Forum without reading the responses as some percentage would offend even the more liberal of dissertation committees.

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