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  • #53923

    Craig Tickel
    Participant

    Will you please add chemical or process industries as a new forum. The appplicatons of lean and six sigma has some interesting twists due to the basic design of processes within the industry…. sometimes hard to “watch” when things only move through pipes and into enclosed vessels… sampling, measurement variation, monitoring process variables… lots of interesting opportunities.

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    #192021

    Stan Mikel
    Member

    Interesting? These are the simplest of processes to run and improve. Maybe you want a forum especially for MBA students as well where we just can use buzz words and simple thoughts.

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    #192038

    Craig Tickel
    Participant

    wow… thanks for the welcome….. sorry I thought it was a suggestion box, not a post here to be bashed. Don’t know your background Stan, assume you are a quality professional as well. Wondered how you determined that chemical processes are the simpliest things to run and improve. What is your metric? You do use metrics, right?

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    #192040

    Stan Mikel
    Member

    I like your avatar.

    Just trying to stir up a spirited discussion.

    No I am not a Quality Professional but I have built some of the best quality systems in existence. I am a change agent who gets results and can figure out any problem that does not violate physics.

    I do use metrics, never found a chemical process I couldn’t dramatically improve.

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    #192046

    Darth
    Participant

    Craig, Stan is the Official Forum Basher and not to be trifled with. He is legit and one of the best.

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    #192052

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Do you think you can get those lips pressed any harder against Stan’s buttocks

    (I got censored a couple years ago when I used butt so I changed to buttocks – it seemed to be a better alternative to butt – the “ock” puts it in a much different perspective)

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    #192061

    Darth
    Participant

    I would press closer but someone else is in the way…..old partner

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    #192062

    Craig Tickel
    Participant

    My goal in this suggestion is to get all of the black belts at my current company to join herein and then to attempt to get many of our customer’s black belts to also join. Measurement error is a major problem in the chemical industry…trucking companies are making a good profit hauling drums back in forth when the primary problems is inconsistent measurement methods for things as simple as moisture or ph!

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    #192064

    Darth
    Participant

    Sounds like an easy fix. Nobody has to join iSickSigma to accomplish that fix. Simple MSA efforts should do it….along with some substantial penalties and fines on the truckers.

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    #192065

    Stan Mikel
    Member

    Easy problem to solve. Want some help?

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    #192074

    MBBinWI
    Participant

    @CraigTickel – You should take Stan up on his offer. Lot’s of recent experience in driving MSA’s in operations that are measuring those types of items.

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    #192077

    Savage
    Participant

    I could be mistaken, but I think Craig was simply requesting a new category to be added. I don’t think he was soliciting opinions on how easy problems are to solve in a particular industries. But it is good to know that there are other experts available to help.

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    #192078

    Michael Cyger
    Participant

    @ctickel Great suggestion and much appreciated. Also good to speak with you by telephone the other day.

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    #192079

    Craig Tickel
    Participant

    Thanks guy, but I am well versed in MSA. Stan, sure, you want to help. Use your change skills to get interest in all the P&G and Unilever locations that we serve so that we can do conduct a study about the amount of variation there is from lab to lab. We do work to minimize the variation between our own internal lab. But when the variation is between the supplier(us) and the customer not as easy to get their attention. They simply declare it bad and want to send it back. Penalties to the trucking firm… wow, how would you go about that??? They don’t measure anything….

    Matt, good to see you on here. Nice to know that our experience in traveling to Europe makes it easier for you to see where I am going! Laugh!

    It is interesting that the measurement bible for the chemical industry tends to be a manual published by the AOAC (American Organization of Analytical Chemists) which was first published in 1975. They could use some help on MSA techniques!

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    #192080

    Craig Tickel
    Participant

    I enjoyed the discussion with you, Michael.

    Expect an article from me about C&E diagrams(one of the most misused tools in projects) and one on this MSA subject related to Chemicals/process industries.

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    #192081

    Stan Mikel
    Member

    Hey Elmo, you worry me. I offered to help you, didn’t ask you to name drop as an excuse to not solve a problem.

    For what it’s worth P&G and Unilever are hard to help as they think they are the definition of world class with their variants of TPM. They aren’t. To quote my old friend, Dr. Mikel, they don’t know what they don’t know. That is the problem to be solved. There are billions on the table between the two giants.

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    #192082

    Craig Tickel
    Participant

    Stan, would like to have your help. Where did I name drop? Just trying to say that I do understand MSA techniques. Trying to say, this is a CHANGE issue, not a lack of technical expertise. Sent a friend request to you. Let’s talk!

    Please don’t hit me with “excuse for not soloing the problem” when you also state that getting P&G et.al to recognize the problem is difficult… Oh, then drop Dr. Harry’s name… come on, who’s name dropping.

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    #192083

    Stan Mikel
    Member

    Who is Dr. Harry?

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    #192084

    Darth
    Participant

    Stan mentioned Dr. Mikel not Dr. Harry. Here is the link to the Dr. Mikel he was referring to.

    http://drlynnmikel.com/

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    #192085

    Stan Mikel
    Member

    Hey, we are supposed to leave my fantasy wife out of this.

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    #192086

    Craig Tickel
    Participant

    Thanks for the reference, Darth. Do not know of her. Will learn more about her. Sorry for the assumption, Stan!

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    #192087

    Darth
    Participant

    Stan, Carnell and I are at the Detox session now with her so I will give her your email address to contact for further info. Stan, you and Carnell already have the perfect wives so no fantasies needed…..yes this was a paid announcement.

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    #192092

    Craig Tickel
    Participant

    Look forward to the contact!…. always willing to learn more from a resource that you guys recommend! and Stan, I have a nice wife already, so no worries about me intruding on your fantasy.

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    #192094

    Anonymous
    Guest

    I support this idea and would like to see more articles on this topic.

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    #192096

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Anonymous – articles on fantasy wives?

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    #192101

    Darth
    Participant

    I published a few of those on another site but FM and KB won’t let me provide a link.

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    #192109

    Chantel Kamm
    Participant

    I agree that there should be a Forum in Industries for Process or for Chemical. Some of the information is elswhere on the site, but it is scattered. Would like to discuss some topics that are specific to the Process Industry with others in the same industry.

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    #192123

    Craig Tickel
    Participant

    @Stanmikel

    Chantel( @ckamm) works at stepan, where I also work…. She is an analytical chemist by education, but has been active in reducing measurement error at Stepan.
    I would like to use Isixsigma as a discussion forum so that NOT only Stepan people can come to deal with some of the “challenges” we are facing regarding measurement error (and other topics) but others can participate as well.. especially people like you, Stan! It will need to be a legit discussion and have some topical structure in place. I hope to get at least 40 some people from Stepan to come here and hopefully to encourage others from the Chemical industry to join in as well.

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    #192129

    MBBinWI
    Participant

    @ctickel – despite some of the tangents you see here, when there is an actual and serious topic, you will find some decent responses (and then usually another wild tangent – but as you have noticed, sometimes they are rather entertaining). Please have your colleagues join and post their queries. Only caution is that they should come with a specific question, and have done their own due diligence (researched and tried the standard approaches). If they are still having questions, they’ll get some reasonable guidance here.

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    #192130

    Pete
    Guest

    Craig – Good to see you (virtually) again. Mike – Lets get back on the road! – Darth – I should have not given up so easily when I was trying to throw you in the trunk at TRW.
    I was going to add to this post, but there are so many tangents and tangents frustrate me.

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    #192131

    Stan Mikel
    Member

    @ctickel Chantel okay with you speaking for her? Doesn’t seem to set up a lively legit discussion if you answer a question I asked her. Or are you one of those kind of bosses?

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    #192134

    Craig Tickel
    Participant

    @stanMikel – my response wasn’t an answer for Chantel, just a restatement of my personal desires and a quick introduction of Chantel as a colleague. I am trying to get a forum for a serious discussion going somewhere here on isixsigma regarding measurement variation in the chemical industry. And again it isn’t a technical how to discussion, but rather a desire to get some results by getting some common approach on a number of issues.

    @MBBinWI – thanks for the comment. I enjoy to quips and the fun here as much as the next guy and so I can take it and will hand it out in return. But I do want to get a serious thread going and to increase the number of people on here commenting and sharing their experiences in regards to those issues. Not having much luck yet. Feel like we need that forum structure to get people attracted and to participate. Open to suggestions to get the serious side started and rolling. Chantel will get a great representative for Stepan. I will be returning to the “road” in May.

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    #192135

    Stan Mikel
    Member

    Craig, read your response. You did answer for her. A little introspection may be in order here if you don’t think you did.

    And again Measurement variation in the chemical industry isn’t anything special. You keep talking about wanting to talk about it – talk about it with some substance already.

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    #192139

    Peter Tibbetts
    Participant

    @ctickel Craig – I know it is challenging, but if I recommend this forum to anyone I always provide with a disclaimer or warning. There are some nuggets of knowledge but often you have to sift through (ignore) the assaults (too strong?) and illusion of knowledge to discover those nuggets. Thick skin is a great quality for these threads.
    I agree that you did NOT answer for Chantel. If you had, you would have began your sentence with “she” rather than “I”. Stan – perhaps a date with Grammar Girl is in order?

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    #192141

    Stan Mikel
    Member

    Mr. Tibbetts, I did not ask Craig what he wanted to talk about. He has told us multiple times he want to talk but keeps on talking about wanting to talk. Pretty boring.

    I thought Chantel might actually queue up a subject, but Craig just reiterated he want to talk but he just keeps talking about wanting to talk. Pretty boring.

    I have to assume at this point he has nothing of substance.

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    #192142

    Stan Mikel
    Member

    Craig and Peter – I am a big fan of Jim Rome and believe as he does if you don’t have a strong take on something, you shouldn’t say anything.

    Both of you have pretty weak takes. Craig just talks about talking and Peter want to debate if Craig is talking for his colleague.

    Who cares that they work at the same place? Tell what you want to talk about – that was the question I asked.

    Want to talk about measurement? Great.

    Want to pretend there is something unique about the chemical industry vs measuring thin films or cookies? Cool, but be prepared for a challenge. In the meantime you’ll actually get discussion if you actually put a topic out there.

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    #192143

    Pete
    Guest

    I lost my respect for Jim Rome, when a knowledgeable and articulate teenager called in and offered an opposing argument to Rome, and Rome’s only response was that kids should not be calling his show. I am also not a fan of people who bastardize the English language, but Rome attacks those people as if they are the source of his holier than thou approach to interviewing.
    Stan – We are in agreement, that this is the 38th post in the thread, and I still not clear about what the challenges are in the chemical industry….

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    #192148

    Craig Tickel
    Participant

    @stanmikel

    I am still waiting on the site to set a forum place to do the discussion. Don’t want, have no interest in starting in this thread.

    @Peter Tibbetts

    Thanks for the guidance and the support. Agree with the grammar analysis. Chantel will reappear here, and then she can speak for herself. Sorry if I was redundant… sorry if I was redundant…. sorry if I was redundant.

    I want someplace to discuss the issue that will be easy to find…. not some discussion under suggestion box.

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    #192150

    Peter Tibbetts
    Participant

    Yeah, after I posted, I realized that was the whole point of your post. You were seeking another industry forum, rather than discussion on this thread.

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    #192154

    Darth
    Participant

    Hey Craig…how about suggesting another website that is less combative and argumentative?

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    #192155

    Peter Tibbetts
    Participant

    I kinda dig that part. It exposes posers.

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    #192156

    Stan Mikel
    Member

    Craig, did anyone suggest that you start it as part of this thread?

    You might want to look at the popularity of those specific forums, you shared wisdom won’t get much play. There is one already that would be appropriate for you discussion, it’s called methodology.

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    #192157

    Stevo
    Guest

    Gotta jump in. If you guys and whom ever is speaking for Chantel these days want me to start a general discussion for Chemistry MSA, I will. I’m sure there is someone cooking meth that would greatly appreciate it (BBinWI I’m looking at you.

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    #192161

    Stan Mikel
    Member

    @Stevo While I agree with your point, and I think Fake Mike should add another industry forum under the name Redneck Entrepreneurs, I have to defend MBBinWI. These particular folks stay up late at night and so we should be looking for people who have had a habit of posting during late hours. That’s not MBBinWI, although I think he/she could improve their processes.

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    #192168

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    @stanmikel – Redneck entrepreneurs – that can be a scarey concept. It seems the previously mentioned Methamphetamine industry has a fair number of rednecks and for some reason mixing rednecks and chemistry – particularly that chemistry – is probably root cause for so many of those labs blowing up.

    Something like “Hey Bubba I heard last time I was in jail that you should add more eather”

    “Naw I don’t think so. I think it needs to be hotter.”

    If you think I am kidding look at this link. First line – “the name ether covers a bunch of different crap……”
    http://www.simple-ways-to-make-methamphetamine.com/ether.html

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    #192171

    MBBinWI
    Participant

    @stanmikel, @Mike-Carnell, @Darth – the Dr. Mikel comments either answer a lot of questions – or raise others (hmmmm…)

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    #192173

    MBBinWI
    Participant

    @stevo – takes more than that to tweak my nose.
    @Mike-Carnell – the old moonshiners could put the Japanese to shame with process optimization. Now the meth cookers – they’re just good for new entries in the Darwin awards.

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