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  • #44907

    BGBB
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    All learned colleagues.
    I have a question regarding what do people do after their time in a Six Sigma role ends. If, by example, you get a willing volunteer in a manager or engineer to move from their regular role and move into a dedicate Black Belt role, after their 2-3 years is up, do they get a new more senior position or do you let them go out into the world?
    It is clear that not every good guy can be the next CEO, but having invested in them and they in you, it seems a tad harsh to say goodbye and part ways.
    I am interested in outher experiences on how this is managed in your organisations
    Rgds
    BGBB

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    #144849

    Orang_Utan
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    You are missing a point here. Doing improvement is supposed to be your daily job whether you are black belt or not. People in the Western companies have to be trained in BB because they are too weak and clueless to perform their paid “improvemen” duties.After completing 2-3 years BB assignment does not mean you are great to be CEO or whatsoever. You are merely qualified to be in the payroll with your BB.

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    #145447

    BGBB
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    Dear Orang_Utan
    Thank you for your less than helpful reply to my question.
    Clearly from your comment about ‘western companies’, you live some other part of the world – but ‘weak’ – again not helpful.
    My question was a serious one and one that i had hoped would solicit constructive replies – maybe I was wrong.
    BGBB

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    #145449

    franz
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    Dear BGBB,
    You raise a very good point indeed. I think your question directly refers to the way a company is willing to see BB as deserving an accelerate carrer path or not, and how far the company is willing to put in place HR processes to make sure BBs (at least the good ones) will leverage this BB position to get a better position in the future. At my company, we are currently struggling with this question, since we recently refocused our internal BB recruitment process to really select better BB. Hence, expectations are problably higher, and therefore we are thinking about a BB career path, articulated around their certification process, granting some opportunities for BBs at each of the stages of this path.
    Franz
     

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    #145452

    RG
    Participant

    The basic question raised is a career path for a Six Sigma Full Time Devotee in an organisation. I believe that this methodology teaches one the very basics i.e. not only the tools but also the teaming & facilitations skill. This places them to superior values in thier professional as well as personal life. This change in interpersonal skills & knowledge band makes them to deserve a clear articulated path for career growth.
    Best of luck!!! The world is very big!!!!!!

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    #145463

    Fontanilla
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    I’ve seen a several companies that have the Black Belt role as a stepping stone to advancement into the senior management ranks.  These companies all have full-time Black Belt positions within a Continuous Improvement functional group.  Some are automotive, one is medical, one is diverse industrial.  At one automotive parts supplier, ALL director-level positons require Master Black Belt experience.  At another, Black Belts are equivalent in rank to a Quality Manager.  At ours, Black Belt certainly helps in the career progression but is not a required element (but I’m working on that!) 
    But, regardless of the company, how the individual performs in the role should determine the next steps.  For example, an excellent performer might naturally step up into a role with greater responsibility after having proven himself or herself as an effective team leader, change agent, and problem solver.  A weak performer might be laterally transferred or even given a reduction.  In severe cases, they may be asked to leave the company altogether.
    Bottom line is that you’ve asked a difficult question and one that most likely requires a coordinated discussion between Human Resources and your Strategy Board to determine the answer.  The basic question, “How do I want to leverage my Six Sigma expertise?” is one that shouldn’t be taken lightly.  Maybe, it’s a Black Belt project for your Strategy Board!
    Good luck!

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    #145473

    Szentannai
    Member

    Hi BGBB,
    I think this depends a lot on the “true” strategy the company uses to select its BBs. I mean “true” as opposed to the “stated” strategy which is always the same – to pick the best and most able people for this role.
    In one company I saw, the “true” strategy was to select people for the role who did not fit into the organization but for some reason did not want to go away or could not be fired. The career prospects for these BBs were not very bright nobviously. Also, the role was seen as a sort of dead end at least as far as internal career opportunities were concerned.
    The results for the quality of the BBs work were pretty evident as well.On the other hand if the company really picks capable people as BBs it is essential to show them a plausible career path for the “after life”. If this does not happen some (most) of the BBs will use their increased market value to find that opportunity elsewhere.Regards
    Sandor

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    #145489

    6S Dr Who?
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    Dear BGBB,
    In my company, the only full-time 6-Sigma position is the Corporate MBB.  Black Belt certification is part of normal managment or leadership type positions, and holding a black belt certification is just one requirement to perform their normal job function. 
    We are both a product engineering and a production facility.  Our managmeent believes everything we do should be done with 6-Sigma and Lean principles and methods – basically orgainzed continuous improvement.
    People in positions such Program Manager, Project Engineers, Lead Engineers, Production Managers, Lead Production Engineers, etc. are expected to be certified as a 6-Sigma BB, and to use the knowledge and skills in performing their normal everyday duties.  Career path wise is the same for any of these positions – to advance within the company; however, not having BB certification would definitely not help in moving up the ladder.
    Basically, we’ve integrated the BB role into the normal job requirements for most leadership type positions whether it be in Engineering, Production, Finance, Sales, etc. 
    The rolle of the MBB is to assist as needed or if requested by the BB on any projects; and to review the progress or reports from the BB teams.  The MMB also overseas training and coordination of BB projects at various facilities within the corporation.
    Not everyone could become a MBB at my compney (we have only one), and he will not be replaced until either he leaves, or in promoted within the corporate organization.
    Regards,
    6S Dr-Who?

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    #145499

    Marlon Brando
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    Is  there  any  vacant position  in  your  organization  for a  “virtual” MBB ? Shouldn’t  ask  for  any  salary  or  bonus??

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