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This topic contains 22 replies, has 7 voices, and was last updated by  Mike Carnell 6 months ago.

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  • #598031 Reply

    This is more food for thought than a question. We don’t teach history or origins in usual training but once you look into it you learn that nearly all of the tools and methods we use date back to the mid-twentieth century or earlier. Lean and Six Sigma essentially just collected these tools into consistent methodologies, and that was in the late twentieth century. So is there anything really new and innovative in recent years? And if not, why not?

    #600102 Reply

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    This is an interesting question.

    I have been practicing Lean and Six Sigma for almost 20 years. I don’t think the tools or methodology have really changed from the time I first started until now.

    My thoughts on what has changed is a few things…

    1) Ability for independent thought.
    The older I get the more ‘groupthink’ I see in the workplace. It seems to start in our education systems where we are now teaching how to pass tests and get measurable results more than the ‘why’ behind learning. Independent thought isn’t brought in until college levels, where most students find different can be ‘OK’. For many students this is the first time in their learning careers.

    2) ‘Google’ mentality
    You can find the answer to anything online. It takes out the need and time to actually research anything in detail. Someone has already done it for you and posted it online. Don’t mind that there is also as much ‘fake news’ as real on the web. If it is printed out (I include myself here) our human lazy nature is to take it for face value without digging deeper. Look at how many posters in this site ask questions without doing any research or putting thought into what they really want to know.

    3) My (our) personal skill level in using the methodology and tools
    Probably more pertinent to the question. When starting out I, and my fellow practitioners are just scratching the surface of the tools and practical usage. As we get more projects under our belts we learn, usually by trial and error, what tools serve us best to get best results. We hone our skills and can get very effective results with focused tools and tend to gravitate towards our favorites, unless a project is unique or gets more complicated. The tools and methodologies don’t change, our skill level increases over time to unleash the full power of LSS.

    #600837 Reply

    @Straydog – Is there really anything “new?”

    #601928 Reply

    @diboy89@msn.com

    fascinating read…nicely worded

    what cracks me up is how easy it is to buy new equipment with long lead times rather than understand what the process needs, how it’s breaking down, and get to root causes to get the performance running better well ahead of new equipment

    #602160 Reply

    @cseider I have to agree. Those of us who’ve been around for a while have often seen the latest management fad or technology pushed as a solution without anyone bothering to clearly to understand the problem, or even to recognize an actual problem. So maybe it isn’t a bad thing that there’s nothing really new in LSS.

    #605175 Reply

    @Straydog @MBBinWI @cseider @diboy89@msn.com

    Is there anything new in SS? Should there be? Maybe in its current form there should be but not in its original format. SS was created to be a thought process not a set of tools. If you look at Juran’s book Managerial Breakthrough it distinguishes between the concept of Breakthrough and Control. SS was created to be a breakthrough strategy. A way to Leapfrog competition. It had no tools because it was a thought process.

    “Toolbox? We Don’t Need No Stinking Toolbox!” Is Six Sigma a New Set of Tools or a New Way to Employ Existing Tools?

    Tools were added to facilitate training. They were never intended to be an exclusive set of tools just a way to get information to facilitate the thought process. What happened if has become an exclusive set of tools and the thought process doesn’t get mentioned. Why? Because we can hire less expensive instructors. We are now at a point where we can have a cocker spaniel teach Six Sigma. Don’t think just execute these specific tools in this specific order and then you have done Six Sigma. Results? Don’t worry about results it is way too complicated to figure out.

    I do not understand why there is this expectation for things to evolve. They do not evolve. They devolve. That is what the Watts Wacker model in The Deviants Advantage is about. Original Content is down to 10% by the time the initiative reaches Social Convention. The SS world is a long way into Social convention.
    So what analysis do you need to do that requires something there is no way to calculate? What tool do you have to add? Add it. Nobody goes to statistical jail. There are no rules. That is the part everyone complains about.

    There is a SS box. Just like any other box we choose to live in it is familiar and comfortable and safe. The same reason we like any other box we chose to live in. Now we have to original thinkers that love to stand up and say “Think outside the box.” Ok. Next time one of those people do that ask them very politely to give an example of where they thought outside the box so you can understand what they want you to do. They told you what they want. They want you outside of your box and they want to sound like a leader – but they like their box.

    Example of what I am talking about. We went through the whole SS for Transactions in the late 1990’s. The transaction BB’s were constantly complaining that their needs were different and that SS for them was different. They focused on Variable GR&R. No need to lean that. It has nothing to do with them. Really? Watch the movie or read the book The Big Short. The ratings agencies that create this inane A, AA, AAA etc. rating system lost their ability to discriminate between levels. That was a measurement issue. The entire global economy was crashed by a measurement system that went bad and the transaction world still refuses to comprehend the importance of measurement systems.

    We live in a superficial world run by superficial people getting superficial results that gets dressed up and stood in the window with a bow tie and the world applauds.

    This was cathartic.

    Just my opinion

    #605305 Reply

    @Mike-Carnell – one needs a good rant once in a while.

    #606099 Reply

    @MBBinWI I was impressed it was as well written for a “rant”. Of course, when coming from a wealth of experience it’s easier.

    #607018 Reply

    @cseider – I don’t usually rant here, saving that for my better half. Living by the adage that brevity is the soul of whit, I try to maintain a minimalist presence. Although certain topics can get me to pontificating vociferously.

    #607149 Reply

    Although new to the forums, I spend a substantial amount of time to read through updated posts and even posts from up to 5 years ago. I’ve found there’s a wealth of content on these forums as well as many different personalities.

    Thinking outside the box…
    Being in the early stages of my career, I see this very so often, particularly in group discussions. The ‘manager’ may not always specifically say the words, “think outside of the box”, but you know what they mean when they make a similar statement. It’s funny because everyone else involved in the discussion often looks at the individual receiving that statement with a facial expression like; “yeah, you should think outside the box”!

    I quote Mike; it made me chuckle rather loud at my desk.

    @Mike-Carnell

    There is a SS box. Just like any other box we choose to live in it is familiar and comfortable and safe. The same reason we like any other box we chose to live in. Now we have to original thinkers that love to stand up and say “Think outside the box.” Ok. Next time one of those people do that ask them very politely to give an example of where they thought outside the box so you can understand what they want you to do. They told you what they want. They want you outside of your box and they want to sound like a leader – but they like their box.

    @Straydog
    Back on topic to the original question. My opinion is that there is nothing or very little new. Unfortunately I think there are many, MANY new ‘labels’ for certain theories whereby people or companies have tried to re-invent certain items and placing their own label on them. I remember I was warned by my BB tutor to ‘be careful what’s out there’.

    #607396 Reply

    @MBBinWI I have never heard you do anything but succinct responses. I even remember a person who sent you an email asking for something and saw your response “Why are you bothering me?” Great response.

    @cseider Thank you I think. “Surprisingly well written.”

    @jamesm I like it when I have written something that makes people smile. You might like this. It was originally written for Quality Progress but Bill Hathaway at Moresteam got permission from ASQ to republish it.
    https://www.moresteam.com/blog/index.cfm?blog_id=69

    #607398 Reply

    @MBBinWI I have never heard you do anything but succinct responses. I even remember a person who sent you an email asking for something and saw your response “Why are you bothering me?” Great response.

    @cseider Thank you I think. “Surprisingly well written.”

    @jamesm I like it when I have written something that makes people smile. You might like this. It was originally written for Quality Progress but Bill Hathaway at Moresteam got permission from ASQ to republish it.

    https://www.moresteam.com/blog/index.cfm?blog_id=69

    #607434 Reply

    @Mike-Carnell

    LOL, it was compliment. Just meant I know you’re often writing via phone and often during my “rants” I might stray a bit in thinking!

    #607443 Reply

    @cseider I was going to say after your “harsh” comment is South Africa it was beginning to cause me to be more introspective (not really but I am sure you knew that).

    #607454 Reply

    An introspective Marine…

    Thanks for your service on this weekend.

    #607929 Reply

    @cseider @Mike-Carnell – it is a weekend to remember that our ability to pontificate without repercussion should not be taken for granted. So many had that ability cut short so that the rest of us could retain it. To the veterans out there – Thank You. To those who are the family members of those who gave all, our profound sympathy for your loss that allows the rest of us to remain free.

    #607930 Reply

    @Mike-Carnell – I profess, I cannot remember the instance, but am sure it was well deserved ;-}

    #608519 Reply

    @MBBinWI I lost track of your post about picking on your state but you must remember I believe in the phrase GO PACK GO and saw Mr. Favre play in his first game in Milwaukee stadium–I have fond memories.

    #608648 Reply

    @MBBinWI The previously mentioned email was in Tampa.

    Agree this is a special weekend. I do appreciate those people who are/have served maybe more than most. I did my time from 70-73 when Viet Nam was coming to an end. I remember people spitting at us when we were on the street. Different time.

    @cseider “GO PACK GO”? Really? How inspiring.

    #608660 Reply

    ;) @Mike-Carnell better than the Texans–and loved seeing the Pack win last football playoffs over Jerry’s team

    #608671 Reply

    @cseider Better than the Texans? Did the Packers win the Super Bowl? No that would be the Patriots which means there is no difference between the packers and the Texans.

    Have to say my favorite team is whoever is playing the Cowboys. We haven’t seen a real Super Bowl Team since Ditka coached the Bears.

    #608686 Reply

    I think documenting improvements using iMovie on an iPhone is still pretty new. These can be done really quickly, sometimes it is quicker to make a video than to create a document in Word or Excel and print it out. Many people are visual and making videos, really simple videos, is a good way to reach them.

    #608691 Reply

    @ahiru-san I agree with regard to a video. It is not stand alone. There needs to be an explanation of is happening and video in no way replaces data unless it is a going to be a full length feature movie.

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