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    Angelina
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    I am planning to look for a job in Europe (preferably France). I am an ASQ Certified Six Sigma Black Belt with more then 6 yrs. of experience in Lean and Six Sigma. Could anyone tell me if ASQ Certificate is credible enough for Europe?
    Thanks in advance

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    #57188

    DavyT
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    Hi Angelina, the certification in Six Sigma is fine, and on your CV would be credible enough to get you into an interview stage with many companies.
    But it would be your 6 years experience in applying certain techniques and using the methodologies/tools (and the results of those – both good and bad) that I, personally, would be more interested in if I were looking for someone to make a difference.
    Hope this helps
    Good luck in your job hunt
    Davy T
     
     

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    #57189

    Angelina
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    Thanks Davy. I’ll be coming to Paris in June and I hope to get in touch with some recruiters and try to get some interviews. We’ll see..I hope for the best (good job, good location and lots of moneyyyyyy J))
    By the way could anyone recommend some six sigma recruiting agencies located in Paris because most of the advertised ones that I know of are in London?
    Thanks in advance.
    Angie

     

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    #57190

    Adam L Bowden
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    Well – my opinion is a little different.
    If I were hiring a BB and was “unconciously incompetent” of BB certifications I’d probably consider ASQ cert as being comparable.   BUT if I were “conciously competent” in the pedigree of BB certification you would not make it to the interview stage with an ASQ certification. 
    Decent BB training and certification comes from a reputable company and trainer/certifier with a pedigree.  Certification comes from alot of work (blood sweat and tears) and typically involves successful cultural shift as well as results (80% culture, 20% tools).  ASQ cert does not provide the rigour that I personally would look for.
    True BB cert cannot come from taking a test – it comes from driving results successfully.  If results can be proven, cultural shift sustained and the training/certification has a decent pedigree then attaining a Six Sigma role should not be an issue.
    My 2 cents worth
    Adam
     

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    #57191

    FroehH
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    Adam is certainly correct that change management skills and success with previous projects are much more important in these hiring decisions than the ASQ certification. However, keep in mind the following: (1) some organizations will train you even if you are already certified. I would go for this type of organization. (2) The selection is based on “evidence provided by the interviewee” that their skills match the required skills to be successful on the job. One way to get around the lack of six sigma specific project experience is to listen very carefully for the skills that are interviewed for and then demonstrate through specific examples that you have the skills required to be successful. however, in projects that were not termed six sigma project.
    Read the job description very carefully and taylor your interview and your interview strategy towards those skills. If the question comes up: Where do you see your current development opportunities, turn your weakness (few projects completed) into a positive, apply your skills and develop additional skills (specifics to be filled in by you) to be a successful BB in your organization. Remember: no candidate is perfect. You are competing against two things: (1) a minimal threshold requirement in terms of qualifications. If you get the interview, you have jumped that hurdle! (2) other interviewees who may or may not have the skills that you have to offer.
    From the little that I have read, I think you’ll have a good chance, simply by the fact that you are getting information from many different sources. You also seem to be goals driven. That’s a plus.
    Je pense bien que tu vas succeder. N’oublie pas que tu as beneficiee d’une excellente education aux Etats-Unis. Tu es donc bien preparee d’etre aventurieuse et de prendre des risques calcules. Aussi, tu aura un certain avantage dans une culture qui echoue le risque. Pratique ce que ce pays a inventente et develope a la perfection: l’art du marketing personnel.  Bonne chance!

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    #57192

    Angelina
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    Hi Adam,
     
    Thanks for your opinion. I absolutely agree that just taking a test cannot make someone a true BB. However, that is actually not a case with ASQ SSBB certification. The ASQ SSBB exam requires two completed projects with signed affidavits and at least three years of proven work experience within the Six Sigma Body of Knowledge. So, not all applicants for SSBB certification would be approved, only the once that can prove their successful practice as a SSBB.
     
    Regards, 
    Angie

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    #57193

    Angelina for FroehH
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    Thanks a lot for good advices and positive thoughts J.
    Reading your post it crossed my mind that I was not completely clear in my first post. It is not that I have only a certification in my hand and no work experience as a BB. Quite the opposite: last 5 years I’ve been leading a Six Sigma program as a Master Black Belt in a start-up company that was recently successfully acquired by a big semiconductor company. I have successfully completed many SS project using both DMAIV (R&D phase of product development) and many more under DMAIC framework. As for the change managements skills: working in a small start-up company where every dollar counts and where the company’s survival depends on the ability to make correct data-driven decision you really do not have much choice then to be successful with implementation of Six Sigma infrastructure.
    In my original post I was trying to get information on credibility of AS SSBB In Europe. Here in North America the ASQ Certificates are the most credible certificate one can get because it is not only a test: you need to qualify for the exam by proving a completion of at least two SS projects signed by the Champion and at least three yrs of working experience as a BB. On top of that it is the only “independent” organization that doesn’t care where and when and how did you learn – if you prove your working experience and you can prove that you have delivered at least two successful projects and you pass a test- well then you deserve a title SSBB.
     
    Quoi qu’il en soit, merci encore de votre avis et de vos mots encourageants.
     
    Tout le meilleur,
    Angie.
     

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    #57194

    FroehH
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    Angelina,
    It looks like you’re on your way. I have attached a link to the names of large headhunters in France. You can Google their sites and get in contact with the one’s that are of interest. Good Luck!
    http://www.4icj.com/fr/03-recruiters-headhunters.htm
     

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    #57195

    FroehH
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    This site looks pretty promising … Neumann Management Solutions
    http://www.optioncarriere.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?s=six+sigma&cs=

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    #57202

    Kenny
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    As someone who teaches ASQ material within a university/ industry partnership program I can add to Angelina’s comments by saying that the requirements of passing the ASQ certification examination far exceed anything that you would typically be asked to achieve in an industry based training scheme. There are no computers in the ASQ exam; ANOVA tables manually calculated anyone??
    Best of luck in your job search Angie! :~)

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    #57211

    Torrance
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    Kenny – exams in any subject are flawed. Nobody doubts the theoretical content of ASQ training/exams – think the point is that doing 1 or even 2 projects does not make you a specialist in Process Improvement.
    Process Improvement needs
    Management of Change
    Structured Approach (like Six Sigma Programme)
    Tools and Techniques (DMAIC, ANOVA..whatever)
    How can an exam make someone a specialist in Management of Change.
    For Angelina – the point I made initially, was that it is her experience that counts more than her certification. Certification catches the eye and will probably get her an interview at least. But then I would be looking for in depth knowledge and examples of where she has led and facilitated change.
    As far ASQ exams far exceeding anything you would be asked to achieve in an industry based training scheme – how about turnaround from losing 50M euros YOY to break even.
    No-one cares about calculating ANOVA tables manually – theres software that can do this.
    Problem with this approach – is that industry doesn’t need theorists and statisticians, as much as they need people who can make a difference quickly.
    Davy T
    regards
    David

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