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    Dillon
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    I am unemployed and getting ready to start Black Belt training on my own (BMG eBB course) to prepare myself for a new job. I have a GE greenbelt already. Now I need to select a suitable project to perform as part of my certification requirements. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions for projects that can be accomplished to demonstrate knowledge of the topic and the ability to use the tools and methodologies without having the large resources of an employer or corporate sponsor.
    Thanks in advance!
    Doug

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    #80877

    Cannizzo
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    Doug,
    In order to be certified as a BB, don’t you need to have a project from a business that the CFO or CEO signs off on (that shows significant financial benefit to the business)? Or are you just looking for a project to help you in the training?
    –Carol

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    #80880

    Dillon
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    BMG requires a project to be completed beofre granting the certification. My former employer is going to reimbure me the cost of the online training, after I get the certificate. In the mean time, I have to float the $6000 myself. So, I am looking for a project that will:* Give me some good practice in the methodology* Meet the requirements for certification* If I could find a small company to sponsor it, could provide a little income for me and my family while doing it all. These are my CTQs, but I must admit that the last one would be icing on the cake at this point.I have heard of BBs doing projects about the process of finding another job or even the most efficient way to conduct their morning commute as a means of a project for certification. I would like to do something a little more meaningful than that if possible right now, but am open to suggestions.I have 2 areas of interest in localization and translation and in configuration and change management, but those woudl most likely require the corporate sponsor. again, any suggestions appreciated.Please elaborate a little on your comment about having one that hte CEO or CFO signs off on. Thanks!Doug 

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    #80882

    Joy Cowling
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    I would imagine you will be required to demonstrate an ability to lead a team.  That may be a challenge if you are between jobs.
    Do you belong to a church or civic organization that would be willing to let you work a project?  There are a lot of inefficiencies in those organizations.  You could form a team and attack a problem that would actually bring some dollars to the table.  It could also then meet the criteria of being sponsored by an organization with financial sign-off if you can show the effect to a budget or something similar.
    Another idea might be to contact any local companies that have Six Sigma programs in place.  Offer to work a project for them. I have no idea if they’d go for it, but it can’t hurt to ask.  When I went through training, I did something similar.  I think it was harder to get the changes implemented because I was an outsider but it gave me an opportunity to show demonstration of the tools. 
    I’m just throwing out ideas.
    Good luck!Joy

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    #80885

    Dillon
    Participant

    Joy,
    Ideas are what I am looking for at this point and you had several good ones! Thanks for the input.
    Doug
     

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    #80896

    lin
    Participant

    Many non-profits would love to have you volunteer your skills to help them improve their operations.  Enquire with you local university, schools, church, United Way, or rotary.  Good luck!

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    #81216

    Doug D
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    Why did you choose the BMG eBB course? I am in the same situation as you (unemployed) and am considering investing in BB certification to improve my marketability. The study guide books and cd from Qualityamerica.com only cost in the $100s and are much more in my self funded price range. Did you consider them?
    Funding 6K$ of training myself would be a big investment I am not sure I could sell my wife on at the moment.
    I prepped myself for the professional engineers exam (PE) years ago using a few $75 prep books and lots of study time and passed. I do not see why the BB exam would be any different. Am I missing something?
    Thanks in advance for your advice.
    Doug D.
     

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    #81217

    Doug E
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    Doug D.
    I was looking for something that had some rigor and structure. I have done a lot of self study on becoming a BB and have the GE (my former employer) background and training on Six Sigma. There arent many places the do online BB training and the average BB course seems to cost around $21K, so the $6K didnt seem too bad. It’s all relative I guess. Finally, I wanted something that was recognized in the industry. I debated about the BMG cert vs. ASQ cert and in all honesty, I will probably take both tests. The last thing helped make up my mind to pay for training was that part of my severance package included some tuition reimbursement – so I dont have to foot the entire bill myself.
    Doug E.

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    #81218

    Cannizzo
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    Doug,
    I think you’ve boiled down the question to whether you should

    Cram for the test, as you would a final in school, just so you could pass it and get an A, versus
    Selecting the course that could potentially best instruct you and give you the experience necessary to exceed in your job.
    If all that matters is the A on your report card, then I think you’ll be fine. I, as a hiring manager in the Six Sigma space, would like to see qualifications. If qualifications are not present, hands-on experience through a training course would be my second choice. If that is not possible, my third choice would be just certification to a test.
    Does that make sense why I think people who take the road less traveled makes the difference?
    –Carol

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    #81221

    Doug D.
    Participant

    Carol,Thanks for the quick response. As a hiring manager in the Six Sigma space, what do you think of someone like me with tons of TQM experience? I need to figure out how to convince you and your colleagues that the work I did with Crosby based TQM in the late 80s is just as valuable as someone with recent six sigma credentials. The strange thing for me is that I loved using TQM, but it seemed to fall out of fashion and few employers valued that part of my skills in the nineties, so I worked for startups, building businesses from scratch. That was a great challenge as well since I used the full breadth of my skills and was working in a default “lean” environment since we were frequently boot strapping to create new manufacturing systems qucikly with limited resources. I used my TQM when I could, but most of my bosses did not understand it since they were mad scientist, so I was limited in how extensively I could apply it, but I did use it. I heard of six sigma and lean manufacturing while at the startups, but I was not involved in exploring them.I was riffed out of an optical networking firm 4 mths ago when Worldcom, our biggest customer went bankrupt. As I conduct my job search I see that six sigma seems like a hot skill and I realize that I have done most of this years ago and my challenge is how to prove that to potential employers.In the early 80s I worked for Lockheed in the Skunkworks and helped develop 2 derivatives of the F-117 in 3 yrs and learned rapid product development techniques from the masters. many of the principles we followed are now part of lean manufacturing product development strategies (IPTs and cross functional teams). I also learned great process development skills there where we frequently developed manufacturing processes for new radar absorbing materials.I get frustrated bc most recruiters and hiring pros do not see the common thread of leading edge product and manufacturing development experience in my career. Thay are looking for someone with 10 years of automotive experience and black belt credentials, and if I do not have that, they pass over me and eventually find the person they are looking for. Eventually I will come across someone who appreciates my background and will see how it can be used to help their firm, but it is frustrating that so few are willing to look at my older accomplishments in more depth.My goal is a full time position in the southeast US, but I am willing to travel anywhere or work as a consultant until I find the right career position. Thanks in advance for any adviceDoug D. 

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    #81223

    Doug D.
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    Wow, thats a sweet severance deal. All I got being riffed from an optical networking startup was 2 wks of pay. Good luck with your training.
    Doug D.
     

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