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  • #41654

    Hetchner
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    Some universities or industries will charge some money to take their six sigma course. The course may run for one, two or three weeks. Why must I learn my belt certification from your industry? I already have my belt certification from XYZ University. Why isn’t my belt certification good enough for you?William

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    #130835

    Mikel
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    Because your certification stinks.

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    #130843

    John Smith
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    What  is  the  difference between Trained SS BB &  Certified SS BB?Some  universities  are  offering :Master  Certificate in  SS upon  finishing  3  courses:SS-GB,Lean-SS & SS-BB,what  is  the  added  value  of  this  certificate?Why ASQ certification is mostly  recognized  and  appreciated?As an expert what  do  you  recommend best ?thanks  and  regards. 

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    #130847

    Chris Seider
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    John, you’ve asked a few touchy questions.  The main difference between a trained and certified BlackBelt typically involves demonstration of applied tools to drive a business result to become certified. 
    You will not get agreement on who is best to certify but there is a LARGE variety of certifications out there.  I have personally seen some supposedly certified BB’s who cannot apply the basic tools in a real environment.  This observation means any organization trying to recruit or contract talent out there should use certification as a requirement but not the SOLE criteria for selection.  You can eliminate most of the “chafe from the wheat” with a concentrated 20 minute discussion with someone.  I could make recommendations as to which organizations out there are good to certify but then I’d be violating the tenet of not “selling” in this forum. 
    Consider why you are asking your questions.  What is the root cause for your questions?

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    #130848

    John Smith
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    Thank You for  your elaboration.I  asked  just  because I’m involved in  the  “Master  Certificate in SS”,have  finished  the  GB,Lean-SS still  have  to  proceed  with SS-BB next  year.I  found  the  program interested with  many  practical  case  studies ….etc.I  just  need  to  hear  another  expert  opinion and  recommendation,like  yours .regards  

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    #130858

    Jered Horn
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    My personal opinion is that there IS a difference between someone that was trained as an employee of a company vs. someone that was trained/educated as a student of a university (or one of these training centers that you see plastered all over the internet).
    I speak almost exclusively from the manufacturing sector, so I would NOT call myself an “expert”.  So consider what I have to say as simply one piece of data…not the entire population.
    The selection process, both of the candidates and of projects, is certainly critical to a successful Six Sigma deployment.  Most companies that I have been exposed to take this seriously.  And these companies do not make it a common practice to hire someone from the “outside” to fill a key Six Sigma role.  When they do…expect rigorous panel questioning, exams, requirements to submit final reports from previous projects, demonstrations of your leadership skills, demonstration of your Six Sigma tool usage skills, and knowledge of thier specific industry, all to be part of the interview process.
    Now, there is no doubt in my mind that any exposure to Six Sigma will make someone a more rounded professional (it doesn’t matter what discipline).  My recommendation, though, would be to NOT tout yourself as a “certified” anything on your resume, unless you’re ready to go through the type of interview I mentioned above.  Simply having the classroom (and possibly internship project) experience will be enough to put yourself ahead of the line when competing for a job – in your major discipline.
    I could go on and on about this.  As said earlier, this is a touchy subject.  If you have further questions, let us know.
    Hope this helps.

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    #130876

    John Smith
    Participant

    Thank You  for  the  professional  advice,Rgds

     

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    #130878

    John Smith
    Participant

    Thank You.My  last  questions:What  is  the  main  difference  between  “Being Certified” & “Being Trained”?What  about  using the SS on-line  education for the  purpose  of  establishing  “consulting or  Training  Business”?Could  the SS Education help to support (or  add-value) to a  previous  successful change  management experience through refucusing & redesigning that  task,adding new  perspectives…etc?Rgds.  

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    #130886

    Mike Carnell
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    John Smith,
    I think they already gave you the answer: Certified has application experience and trained is classroom. Although Horn may be sensitive about this there is probably good reason.
    The first thing you should look at is something like Bloom’s Taxonomy (adult learning model). You will get to the first two levels in a classroom. The minimum level to produce any value for a business is Application and that is the third level. That takes surprisingly enough – application. The further up the model you go the more value you can provide your business.
    The other issue that you miss in the “just classroom” enviroment is again some of the issues from Horn but also there are a large number of issues around implementing the change and just being part of a deployment. One of the most critical skills (my opinion) is your ability to mentor Green Belts. First it puts your experience on an exponential curve. Second it will drive you to get to a point where you have to pitch up and figure out what is going on, figure out what a person knows and what they don’t know and how to influence them to move in a direction that may be completely opposite from where they think they are going. The other hard part is that there are people who have no business being involved as a BB or GB and you need to be able to make that hard decision and help them understand they need to move on (this is a last option but a critical skill – in 10 years we have only graduated 100% of 1 class).
    You need to learn to deal with management in a report out situation (communicating with A type personalities). Helping set direction of a deployment, etc. A lot of things that occur around an industry certification that do not happen in the classroom setting. Even the certifications that have a requirement of 1 project are marginal. A decent certification project is normally a control or optimization type project that really don’t stretch you much in application and interpretation. Once you are certified and the time constraint is lifted (keeping pace with the class) you can work some serious issue and get a chance to really meet your deamons.
    There is no down side to getting education regardless of which you choose but you need to understand what you recieved for your money. That should be obvious enough when someone gives you something in 1,2 or 3 weeks part time and equates it to a process that takes in industry 5-6 months. How can there possibly be an equivalent level of skill?
    There is another level that goes with establishing a consulting or training business. One of the biggest misconceptions today is that a successful BB/MBB can run a deployment. That is Program Management and doing projects has very little to do with it.
    Just my opinion.
    Good luck.

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    #130895

    John Smith
    Participant

    Thank  you  Mike  for  the  great  advice  and  the  Enlightenment.I wish only  to  clarify  one  more  thing:Based  on  my  experience  with  the  distance  learning (on-line  courses) I  could  not  recognize in  some cases the   “big ” diffirence between the  real practice (in  field)  and  the  excellent case  studies which  were  demonstrated  in  those  courses (simulation  exercices),specially  when  considering  the  outcomes,the  Assignment  details  (Managing   a  process Layout for  example),Time  to  complete and  finally  the  Learning  Objectives….etc.Do  you  agree?I put  great  value on  reading  your  opinion…….Best Regards

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    #130911

    george2
    Participant

    Just go for the rolls royce of SS education…i did, the George Group….you will win

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    #130945

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    John Smith,
    There is a huge amount of variation in the distance learning stuff that is offered. You can go with someone like Moresteam and you will get as good as material as there is that is available from a stand up instructor.
    There is an Mark Twain quote that I like very much “When you hold a cat by the tail you will learn things that you can learn in no other way.” Basically it is about experience. There is a significant level of learning that you must get through experience and I haven’t found a substitute for it.
    Just my opinion.
    Regards

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    #130959

    John Smith
    Participant

    I appreciate  your  great  advice.Thank You.

     

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    #130960

    Mikel
    Member

    I thought maybe you were out of wack with the comments about the European BB’s; now I know you are. G2 is fair to mediocre at best.

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    #131043

    george2
    Participant

    correct, but that is European mediocre.  In America that means i am a superstar.
    Regards G2

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