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  • #27235

    Dan the Man
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    I have been using Six Sigma, and other quality philosophies, for numerous years but never bothered to get certified as a master blackbelt, in other words, my company won’t pay for certification. Is there a exam I can take to get certified? I don’t need all the training; I have an expert understanding of the philosophy, tools, and math.
    I don’t want to create my own company and certify myself and thereby, create yet another set of fragmented unstandardized Six Sigma Blackbelt qualifications.

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    #66460

    Edwards
    Participant

    You will be happy to hear that ASQ will be sponsoring a Certified Black Belt exam and certification. The next test is scheduled for 12/01.

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    #66464

    RR
    Member

    Visit the ASQ website http://www.asq.org and look for the certification. There is one during May and one during June. But it is past the registration deadline. You may contact ASQ (800-248 1946 I think) if you can still register for it. The body of knowledge and reference materials are also available. The cost is a moderate $180 for ASQ members!!

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    #66560

    T N Goh
    Member

    ASQ ought to do a Six Sigma project on the certification issue first. It’s a wonderful sight: people mumbling about CTQ all day are not even aware of some of the real CTQ issues such as those raised by Sandy.

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    #66558

    Chauhan
    Member

    I have a big issue with the ASQ certification on Six Sigma. Apparently, it will be difficult for experienced MBBs and BBs from leading Six Sigma companies such as GE and Allied Signal to be certified if they are no longer with the company. The ASQ wants you to get an affidavit signed from the company quality representative proving that you did at least 2 projects. It doesn’t matter if you did 10, passed a certification test and passed a review board with the company….it will not count unless you get a signed statement. The problem with this is that many experienced Six Sigma professionals have moved on from these companies and perhaps even the company quality leaders have moved on. Where and who are we going to
    get a signed statement from if this is the case? According to the ASQ, it is not sufficient to show that you have been certified from GE or Allied Signal…etc and have years of experience. I don’t mind taking a test again, but let’s look at how even the certification standards from leading companies are compared to what ASQ just put in place. If they are comparable, let’s honor it. Even if they are, I still would like to see certified MBBs and BBs get retested every so often anyway. Thoughts?

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    #66563

    ashishgtm
    Participant

    hello reply to goh.quite agree with u .but to know the actual implementatioon of this concept there be a ready material (handy )present ,not to costly,i m doing qmp ,tqm courses still not know enough practical implicationsof this topic.what exactly the process of geting certified after training.whom to contact.and is there any specific path to follow to achieve 6sigma &its application atsoftwareindustry.

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    #66571

    Van Loon
    Participant

    The reasons mentioned by both Sandy and yourself are the foundation for ISSSP pursuing a professional certification. At the last symposium they announced a membership survey that will gather all the related information from the constituents. This data will be used for several teams to identify the best approach to certification testing, project requirements, curriculum certification and body of knowledge. If you’re interested in a true Six Sigma approach to certification participate in the ISSSP process.

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    #66572

    SjC
    Member

    What’s CTQ?

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    #66573

    Carl
    Participant

    Isn’t ISSSP just a front for BMG? Why should I be certified by BMG when they’re not even one of the most prominent six sigma companies? Nothing against them, and I’m sure they’re fine, but no one I personally know in corporate america has used them (to my knowledge). The whole certification idea by a consultant just doesn’t sit well with me, and ASQ doesn’t appear to have my CTQs in the forefront of their process.

    What’s a black belt to do?

    Carl

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    #66574

    Sambuddha
    Member

    CTQ = Critical To Quality

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    #66577

    Marty
    Participant

    I agree, I recently completed six sigma black belt training, and received my certification by completing the course and my project. Now I am being told that I have to pay more money and take a test to be a certified black belt. The unreal part of this is that the class and certification was from both ASQ and the six sigma academy. This was a joint venture course approved by both Organizations. I completed the training in December and my project in February. We were all told that we would be certified black belts when we completed all of the requirements, now we are being told that to be certified we must take the test. I have a certificate signed by both organizations and will leave it at that, it is a matter of principles to me.

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    #66597

    Kim Niles
    Participant

    This is but one great example of how screwed up the ASQ certification process is. It embarrasses me as an ASQ division officer but I’ve been doing all I can to fix things with multiple emails and surveys. It takes more than a few people to create a huge organization to change. THANK YOU FOR THIS POST!!!

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    #66599

    smokey
    Member

    Talk about airing your dirty laundry . . . I would suggest that if a company is looking for a certified BB or MBB to hire, they should evaluate that certification on a case by case basis relative to their CTQs for certification – whether that be project leadership, statistical analytical skills, etc.. I can’t imagine that there is a major company in America that relies or even considers what the ASQ thinks about whether an individual is BB/MBB Certified.

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    #66613

    T N Goh
    Member

    Can’t agree with you more.

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    #66615

    Gerry
    Participant

    The thread of this discussion reflects my original question, ( see “Common standards”? ). As a Motorola certified Black Belt , I know the process that I followed , but from the thread of this discussion , I can see that there is much confusion , and many different approaches to this.
    I see the name ASQ popping up a lot , but guess that they are a commercial enterprise .
    I would advocate that we should`nt be looking at exams etc…. but should have an accredited , audited process.
    eg. Does the process that Motorola , or GEC etc, use produce the required standard ? Any thoughts ?
    eg In Motorola we need to complete a core competency model , with additional technical and interpersonal electives. In Parallel we must deliver a project with clearly defined targets and results. All of this is submitted to a central panel with practical demonstrations of the applications of the statistical and problem solving tools. A Black Belt mentor and a Staff sponsor must endorse and support the application , which is then subject to thirty days scrutiny by a corporate Black Belt committee.
    It is not uncommon for this committe to demand further examples and demonstrations where they do not see real depth of understanding and clear evidence of results.

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    #66745

    antonio sergio dias chaves
    Participant

    Since I was graduated in 2000 I have been worked as Six Sigma Coach training and graduating Yellow And Green Belts. This job demands a lot of time preparing course, coaching and pushing too many projects with those guys around the company, ..etc. I have achieved good jobs and saved a lot of money to the company, but I have not time to push my owner project. How this situation would be evaluated by ASQ if I don´t to accomplish my owner two projects this year. Has my job as BB not been signed ? I agree with the proposal to have certification standard but the rules should be discussed before with all interested company.

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    #67588

    Tierradentro
    Participant

    The fact of the matter is, that there is no defined standard for what a black belt, green belt or master black belt is. Yes the ASQ provides a certification, and is probably a good institution to get a certification from – but you can get a certification from just about anybody who claims to have one. Have a look at the internet, try typing “six sigma certification” in the google search engine and see how many places offer certification (good and bad). You may also want to have a look at the motorla university homepage (mu.motorola.com) for example.
    If you or anyoneelse truly wants to understand the basic philosophies behind six sigma, TQM, QFD, SIPOC etc. there is only one ultimate founding authority – Dr. W. Edwards Deming. Try this book: Four Days with Dr. Deming – available at Amazon.
     
    Good luck
     
    Good luck

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    #67591

    Jeff Ayland
    Participant

    Now, now, then folks,
    I know its nice to have “professional certification”, but really….
    I interviewed a guy who knew “all about six sigma”, and even had a certificate to “prove it”, sorry my friend but you dont pass the make sense test here. You can’t articulate a discussion on a 6 Sigma project, i dont care what “certificates” you have.
    Realistically, if you are good at 6 sigma, you could sell yourself at ANY interview, i know i could. And i have no “Official Certification”.
    You may say, yeah, but Jeff, how do you even get the interview in the first place? Well, i guess if the employer can’t decipher your resume / cv and realise you can fit the requirements. Then stuff them. They probably don’t want 6 Sigma and its related behaviours / mindset.
    Seeing as how 6 Sigma is “NEW” (not really, i know !), the infrastructure for certification will take some time. A few Johnny come lateley’s will be chasing the “American Dream” looking for a few bucks out of it.
    Growing pains, thats all.
    Jeff.

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    #81554

    singh
    Participant

    Kindly guide me on the said subject.
    Thanks.
    Maninder Singh

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    #81787

    Josh
    Participant

    I agree with Sandy. Unless every company has a resident ASQ representative or who can make himself/herself available when needed to certify outgoing quality staff, it is not right on part of ASQ to impose this rule.
     
     

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    #84931

    Pat the Certified PMP
    Participant

    It’s a revenue generator. Like PMI’s PMP certification, once you pay thousands for training and $450 for the exam, you are then on the hook for the rest of your career to spend a few grand every year for “training” to get “points”.  NOt enough points? Lose your certification. It’s a scheme.

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    #84971

    DC
    Participant

    I have had companies as well as headhunters ask about certification.  I think it should be in addition to rather than instead of certification by your own company. 
    This is only because it is a standard body of knowledge from which everyone can benchmark.  There are many companies out there that are certifying Black Belts that probably really shouldn’t be qualified.

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    #84996

    Helper
    Participant

    I HAVE A PROPOSAL FOR EVERYONE……………………… :)
    1st or 2nd quarter of next year we will convene lets.  Only with Six Sigma Practitioners (GB, BB, MBBs) from Manufacturers and Service Oriented companies.  The sole purpose is to create a standard certification like the CPA; and to elect a Six Sigma Standards Board (SSSB) – like the Financial Accounting Standards Board (FASB). 
    I along with a group of professionals will structure and organize the event and will set up the arraingments.  For those who are interested you can reply to this thread by simply saying ……………yes, let me know on a scale of 1-10 your level of seriousness,  and leave your email contact information and I will be in touch.
    Case open?……………….

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    #93194

    Kenneth O’Neill
    Participant

    Yes, The National Graduate School has certificates, the program is 3 months (weekends or other depending on availability of staff). If you are in a position to make significant impact on your company, you will do well with them – Northeast Accrediting Agency.

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    #135573

    DaveK
    Participant

    I recently received my ASQ Black Belt cert after completing my PMI PMP (Project Management Professional) cert last year. comparing and constrasting the two certs and processes I offer the following:
    (1) The lack on 1 main certifying body is confusing to outsiders and diffuses the value of everyone’s cert. The six sigma community will gain more clout and increase the adoption of six sigma methodologies (making you more marketable) once a mega-professional society (like PMI) offers a certification test that is widely accepted by the business community as THE-standard.
    (2) ASQ seems closest to this mega-professional society for quality (and PMI is for project management) since they offer a number of vendor-neutral industry accepted quality certs. It could then work like PMI where you can earn a certificate from many different sources but only receive the industry-wide certification from one.
    (3) The lack of  one industry-wide cert for black belt made the initial steps of choosing a program then decideing to further pursue certification more difficult than it needed to be.
     

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    #135577

    Heebeegeebee BB
    Participant

    I couldn’t disagree with you more…
    Why stifle diversity?  no less with a test-based certification process.
     
    ahh, no thanks.

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    #135578

    Mr IAM
    Participant

    There are way too many companies that would lose out on their “certification and training fees” if that were to happen.  Don’t you see all the flashing banners?  There are some consultants that simply sell certifications, then there are some that actually help businesses solve their problems, partially through SS training of their employees.   But, still way too much money to be lost by doing as you suggest.  Everyone would want to be the “standard” because the standard will make money – no one else will.
    I agree – ASQ is the standard right now (my opinion).  Funny though – everyone thinks that whatever they have is the standard!  No bias there eh?
    Congratulations on your certification!
    M

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    #135580

    Heebeegeebee BB
    Participant

    ASQ, The standard…hah!  Nice one.
     

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    #135581

    Elbrin
    Participant

    While I recognize the factual use of certifying bodies such as PMI, having the certification means very little to me.  Yes I will look for it on a resume, but I have met too many “Certified” PMPs that couldn’t organize a train wreck, and too many Black Belts that couldn’t explain what 6 sigma means.  Much more valuable is what have you done and what did it mean in $, experience.  As an empolyeer ask specific questions, examples of their work, and a technical question or two.

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    #135583

    Mr IAM
    Participant

    Heebeegeebee,
    Are you suggesting that some else is?  Or that no one is?
    I think in the area of quality professionals ASQ is the standard.  If you spend any time reading job boards you will see ASQ certifications requested quite a lot.  For CQE’s, CQM’s, CRE’s even CQT’s.  You won’t see “We want a ______ consultant trained BB / QE”.
    I think the job market has made ASQ the standard, right or wrong.

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    #135585

    Mr IAM
    Participant

    Bravo!

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    #135862

    Heebeegeebee BB
    Participant

    ASQ is TRYING to become the standard.    Certification via testing is not the way to do it.
    ASQ marketing is pretty good, but where the rubber meets the road,  the value of an anonymous test-based cert is questionable at best.   It is more a measure of how well you can prep for a test.
    Most agencies/companies requiring ASQ BB Cert don’t know the first thing about Six Sigma.   Marketing is driving ASQ’s position.
    Try searching for threads about ASQ certs and the consistency (lack of) quality change agents.    No consideration is given to verifiable bottom line project results, let alone the level of soft-skill/change agency, the candidate brings to the table.
    I have personal experience in dealing with several ASQ BB’s…They are an embarrassment to their respective companies.
    Having been in a position to interview and hire Black belts, I can tell you that those with only ASQ BB certs, were passed over in favor of those with more well-rounded experience.   This was not a concious, directed action, it was because these folks just couldn’t hack it with the big dogs.   There knowledge of Six Sigma was cursory and tightly confined to the parameters of the ASQ test.   Most were “Wet-Fishes” that couldn’t survive as change agents/enablers.

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    #135863

    Heebeegeebee BB
    Participant

    Please excuse the typos and grammar goofs in my last note.   I’ve got a splitting headache…

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    #141545

    Fliyer31
    Participant

    I hold Master degree in IE form ASU and I am a practitioner of Lean manufacturing (currently deploying it in my company).
    I want to get six sigma certified. I ran into a bunch of certifications but I am confused as what to pick, how many hours of training is good enough and such. GE, Motorola, Six sigma academy, ASQ, BMG are some of the ones I think are some of the best. PLEASE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHICH ARE THE BEST PLACE TO GET CERTIFIED OR JUST STUDY FOR MY SSBB.
    (if there is one..lol..)…Thank all in advance.

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    #141546

    Heebeegeebee BB
    Participant

     
    1) Ask yourself why you want to get certified
    -Prestige (another trophy for the wall), or are you interested in the methods/toolsets?
    2) Does your present company offer 6S training?  –
    If so, jump on it.
    If not, I’d go with Motorola U. (There is a campus just a stones throw from ASU)
    The key is application of the toolset, genuine change agency and bottom line results….not the ability to pass a test.

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    #141548

    Harsh
    Participant

    Do you know what is the cost of the Six Sigma training?
    Get us something cheaper?
    HARSH

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    #141550

    Heebeegeebee BB
    Participant

    How much are you willing to spend?
    Try pulsing various companies.
    Try searching the fora for Consulting rates.

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    #141551

    almasi
    Participant

    for taking exam in ASQ test( for both green belt and black belt) what  is required?i mean the essenssial items
    thanks

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    #141553

    Fliyer31
    Participant

    I am interested in methods/tools set. I live in California now, LA. No, my company is not pursuing 6sigma.

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    #141573

    Simon Grant
    Member

    I have read with interest peoples thoughts on Certification, does anyone have any thoughts on Affiliation

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    #141608

    Heebeegeebee BB
    Participant

    Affiliation is fine, as long as the relationship is being used to foster additional cycles of learning…
    If the affiliation is sought as an accessory for your wall, or biz card, it’s NVA in the eyes of knowledgable hiring managers..  

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    #141609

    hunh?
    Participant

    How are you using (in what context) the word “affiliation”? 

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