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    Cherryl
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    I have a Master’s Degree from Concordia University in St. Paul MN in Organizational Management which encompasses all of the Six Sigma concepts.  I took an on-line Black Belt program and test through Skill Soft  and passed with over a 90%.  I’m confused about the certification process since there seems to be numerous organizations offering this.  What is the foundation of being certified?  If I passed a series of tests (44 of them) through an ASQ affiliated body of knowledge program like Skill Soft, how can I get a certification, or am I considered certified?  I definitely don’t want to take the course work over again. Do I need to sit for another exam?  If so, who do I need to do this through and what are the other requirements?  Who monitors and implements this Six Sigma title?  Can any accredited teaching institution offer this?

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    #183193

    GB
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    There is no centralized body for 6S cert.   Concordia’s OM degree program does not, “encompass all of the six sigma concepts”.   not by a long shot.   You passed a soft-skills exam…see if the Proctors will cert you.    You cannot consider yourself cert’d.  
    How many real-worl Six Sigmaprojects have you completed that bear bottomline impacts to cost/quality/delivery?
    and on and on and on…

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    #183194

    Sloan
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    Cherryl,
    hbgb’s comments are valid. The bottom line is that even if you get a certification from on on-line website (and there are plenty that will “certify” you for a nominal fee) If you are hoping that will land you a comfy job somewhere, it probably won’t be enough. Most companies that hire BB roles are looking for a demonstrated ability to apply the six sigma skills and concepts. They will want details of projects you have led and the results obtained.
    Don’t let me discourage you though. With a masters degree and at least a working knowledge of six sigma you may find a company that will hire you and give you the opportunity to apply your knowledge in the real world and give meaning to your paper certification. Just don’t go into it believing that a certificate by itself will open every door for you.

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    #183196

    Cherryl
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    hbgb  b^2
    My initial question was simply WHERE TO GET THE BLACK BELT CERTIFICATION since I have significant education and experience and I want to jump through as few hoops as possible.
    I currently work as a LEAN Change Agent and have worked on process, program, and product development for over 15 years with MANY quantifiable results.  The company I currently work for seems to find the “TITLE” of Six Sigma Black Belt something impressive.  In taking ASQ’s body of knowledge testing, I have SIGNIFICANTLY MORE education through my Concordia OM Master’s program which covered 2 years of full-time education on systems thinking.  My combined education and experience should make it easy enough to obtain the certification but my question is WHERE TO DO THIS?  SUGGESTIONS?

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    #183197

    Cherryl
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    Thanks for your response.  I have significant experience and education in process, program and product development with tangible results.  I currently work as a LEAN Change Agent but the company seems to recognize the Six Sigma certification.  Based on my exposure to the Black Belt Certification, I MORE THAN MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.  I’d love your suggestion of where to go to get the official certification for as little money and effort as possible.

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    #183198

    Robert S
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    Cherryl, the most viable third party certication, at the moment, is that offered by ASQ, http://www.asq.org. You can find the process to do that defined on their website. Dispite what some here may say, it is a recognized certification.

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    #183199

    Cone
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    Robert S is right.Go to ASQ, qualify for their exam and then pass it.

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    #183201

    anon
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    Yeah, your change agency is really coming through…
    good luck to you
     

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    #183215

    Sloan
    Participant

    Cherryl,
    Sorry, I didn’t pick up from your original post that you had any actual experience, just a degree. I should have read it more closely. The forum often gets posts from naive people looking for a quick path to get a piece of paper that says they are a Black Belt so they can get on the path to big, easy money. On the surface, your post seemed to fall into that category. My mistake for not recognizing it didn’t.
    You have had several suggestions for ASQ. I can’t think of anything better than that. There is no central governing board for six sigma certifications. Anyone anywhere can set up a training program with little or no standards and declare their students to be “Black Belts” or “Green Belts” for no other reason than they paid their tuition. There are a lot of those companies out there. That’s why I said experience matters to a hiring manager. At least ASQ is widely recognized for requiring a standard level of experience and rigorous testing before calling someone “Black Belt.”
    Good luck in your endeavor.

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    #183225

    Natanyahoo
    Participant

    Disagree
    Villanova is doing the same and even more!

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    #183235

    Mikel
    Member

    Hey Dog Sxxt,Villanova’s program is mediocre at best.

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    #183244

    Natanyahoo
    Participant

    But I heard that SS alone is no more valid and alive!
    A new advanced formula of Lean Process Management is coming through! So don’t advise her to waste her money and efforts in this old fad!
    Please correct me if I’m wrong

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    #183245

    MBBinWI
    Participant

    I am continuously baffled that when this question comes up, people never suggest our own society (ISSSP).  While not a “certification” I believe that the Six Sigma Profiler does a better job of positioning the skill set of an individual in context of other belts of all colors (see them at http://www.isssp.com/sixsigmaprofiler.asp ).
     
    While ASQ is probably the most commonly recognized cert available to anyone, it recently went through a “downgrade” in requirements where the statistical portion was lightened up.  In the end, there are too many diploma mills and I always do a technical evaluation with an individual to ensure I know their actual capabilities.
     
    By the way, if your company “values” certification, why aren’t they supporting your certification by paying for it?  The cost for ASQ is rather nominal (in the big context of things).  I suspect that it is because there isn’t anyone competent enough to evaluate the actual capabilities of an individual, thus, they accept anyone with a piece of paper.  This will eventually backfire, as there are too many folks out there with paper but no competency.  Better to promote or hire a truly competent MBB who can evaluate your candidates based on competency.
     
    A second BTW:  I once worked for a company that refused to “certify” anybody as they believed that would just provide those folks the documentation they could use to get another job.  They were too foolish to understand that those who wanted to leave didn’t need a piece of paper, they were able to demonstrate the skills and got their other jobs anyway.

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    #183247

    Mikel
    Member

    Dog,You are wrong.You need to decide if you are the spokesperson for villanova or some
    goof that puts nonsense (other than that of villanova).

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    #184367

    GE_MBB
    Participant

    Cheryl:
    You have probably found out by now that there are a lot of opinions in this business and not enough common sense.  If you are looking for a certifiation  so that you have the paper, then go with an internationally respected independent certifying body like ASQ (there are probably others as well).  Unlike the various other programs (e.g private consultants, companies, or university programs), ASQ is an internationally recognized and will be around long after the others have folded up shop.
    When discussing the quality of the programs, the only thing that really matters is the associated body of knowledge that goes with that program.  From my point of view, ASQ has a complete BoK supporting its certification.  In the final analysis, however, please recognize that there is no certification program on earth that will make you competent, nor will it communicate that myth to those who really understand this process.  However — and it is unfortunate, but — many companies will NOT give you a chance without the ridiculous certification.  I recommend that after you complete your certification, apply yourself to several really meaningful projects that will demonstrate two things to any potential employer:  i.) true command of the quantitative tool set (in other words, there are lots of non-quants out there who know absolutely nothing about the statistical and mathematical nature of this process, produce really bad projects,  and who give the profession a bad name), and ii.) real impact to the business.  You will find that BBs and MBBs are judged on only one thing, the cost of their paycheck versus the financial impact that they make to their company.  If the payback is not there, you’re not worth the pay they give you, and they recognize that immediately because six sigma is an overhead expense that is constantly scrutinized.
    Good luck with that certification process.

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    #184396

    Cherryl
    Participant

    GE_MBB – thanks for the feedback.  It sounds like ASQ is the route to go for the most legitimate certification.  Although it’s unfortunate, I think many businesses place far too much emphasis on the “stamp of approval” without totally understanding the skillset required.  With today’s competitive job market, the certification is a weeding out tool and hopefully I can explain the experience behind the paper.

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