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  • September 13, 2009 at 5:56 am #52638

    Phatik
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    In a society where there are many poor people a lot of corruption can be found. Does that mean there is an optimum size of an organization (number of people) or does it depend on the size of the budget.What are the readers views concerning distributed organizations, such as small business units vs big organizations?What does Six Sigma experience tell us about these things?

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    September 13, 2009 at 10:25 pm #185400

    Robert S
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    What? You jumped from a “poor society” to “size of a company” to what SS can do.
    Can’t follow any of that nor do I accept your logic about a poor society. We’ve since a whole bunch of rich folks who were as corrupt as they come.
    You need to clarify what it is you are asking.

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    September 13, 2009 at 11:30 pm #185401

    Mikel
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    Robert – I agree. What in the hell is this guy trying to say?

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    September 14, 2009 at 12:01 am #185402

    Robert S
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    Thank you Stan. I feel all warm & fuzzy inside. Maybe we needed the virus to rejuvenize things.

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    September 14, 2009 at 2:06 am #185403

    Mikel
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    Trust me, one data point does not make a trend.

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    September 14, 2009 at 6:57 am #185407

    Phatik
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    The first thing to clear up is we regard corruption as a defect.Big folk as you put it produce less defects than the poorly paid folk even though the value of the defects are much, much more! The poorly paid tend to commit more defects with much smaller value.My question is about comparing defect rates in big and small companies in developing countries while at the same time ignoring corportate corruption which has a lower defect rate.

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    September 14, 2009 at 10:48 am #185410

    Mike Carnell
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    Phatik,
    Maybe we need to know what type of corruption you are talking about. When people use the word corruption it brings something to mind that is illegal. When it crosses the line to becoming illegal then I would see classifying it as a defect would be to trivialize corruption. I would think that taking corruption out of the illegal catagory would be the first step towards propogating it.
    I worked some places where we used memory devices (electronics assembly). I remember seeing an interview with a guy that was caught stealing these devices. He said he had given up selling drugs because there was roughly equivalent money in the devices and if caught, the legal consequences tended to be be less for a handful of little plastic parts.
    Are you talking about corruption that is actually illegal activity?

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    September 14, 2009 at 2:27 pm #185425

    Robert S
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    Now that I have a full understanding of your area of concern I have to tell you I have no data on anything remotely related to it… nor do I have any interest in it. Good luck.

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    September 14, 2009 at 7:03 pm #185433

    Russell Demetri Ollie Sr.
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    Maybe a better way to approach this is from a DPMO perspective.  With that in mind I would challenge the presumption that DPMO varies signficantly based on the compensation of people assuming that those making significantly more are doing significantly different jobs than those making a lot less.  For that matter the assumption may not be needed.  I would be surprised to find that if you took a VP at GM for example and gave him/her the same training as a line worker and put him/her on the line that their DPMO would be any different.
    I don’t feel DPMO and compensation correlate in the absence of data.

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    September 15, 2009 at 4:44 am #185449

    Phatik
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    Using DPMO the difference between the high and low paid is even greater because each inspector/handler has less opportunity than a CEO. Anyway, I thought I had already explained I am interested in differences between large organisation/departments and smaller.If you need data this was a similar study:http://www.cmsindia.org/cms/events/corruption.pdfTo Mike Carnel – thanks for your observation. We did not consider differences between contract and civil corruption.

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    September 15, 2009 at 1:14 pm #185458

    Teller
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    I believe there are differences between big and small organizations.http://www.sbabg.org/2009/07/29/corruption-and-big-government-go-together/

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    September 18, 2009 at 6:11 pm #185541

    w. g. miller
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    I’ll add something to Mike’s comment:
    Are you looking for evidence a project was manipulated to “demonstrate” some predetermined conclusion?  I have a few examples:

    An error data collection project at my previous employer failed because the individual employees quickly learned how to manipulate the data collection process to make themselves look good and others look bad.
    About two years ago, somebody wrote the Isixsigma forum about being asked to do a project where the “savings” were to come from getting rid of a preselected individual.
    W. G. Miller
     

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