# Cpk vs PpK

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What is the difference between Cpk vs Ppk?

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#156276

CT
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Process Capability vs Process Performance

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#156281

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CT-do you have additional info on Cpk vs Ppk ? article, website, etc.

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#156284

CT
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On the top right hand corner of this website is a search engine. type in Ppk and boom all the info you could ever want to know is right there. Same thing for Cpk. Google will get you about 3.34 million hits in .26 seconds also

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#156291

Satan
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Short-term Vs. Long-term
In  the  calulation  of  SD : for Cpk (R-bar/d2),for Ppk you use  the  individual formula  for  calculating the SD.
Both  are  use  for  centering
good  luck

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#156293

Gaurav
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Hi John
Ppk tells u the actual Process performance. It contains both Special Cause as well as Common Cause of variation (also known as Standard Deviation).
Cpk tell u the potential of the process when all the special cause are removed from the current process. It tell the process Potential when all the special cause of variation is removed. It only includes Common Cause of variation for calculation.
Thus Ppk tell the actual performance of the period of which the data is calculated while Cpk tell the potential that one can achive when all Special Cause of variation is removed from the process
the formulas u can refer from any book
Total cause of variation= standard Deviation
Common Cause = SMR2 (generally) but could vary with grouping variable
Cheers
Gaurav

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#156295

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John,
Visit the following link where you can find all about CpK, PpK
Good luck!

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#156311

Quainoo
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Hi Gaurav,
One thing is not very clear for me.
I can’t see why, just by using the formula R/D2 (in order to calculate the sigma value), Minitab manages to go from long term to short term and thus “remove all special causes”. I can’t see the logic.  Any idea ?
Thanks
Vincent

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#156342

walden
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I would go so far as to say it removes “all” special causes. What it does is remove any fluctuations in the mean which may be due to special causes.

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#156385

Gaurav
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Hi Vincent
I am not very sure of what Minitab uses. But I will give u the logic
For calculating Short Term standard deviation (SD) with-in batch SD is used. Now if you have 10 Batches and 5 samples each batch. The SD of each batch is considered for calculating Short term SD
SMR2 is generally taken if for every batch there is only 1 sample. Now the logic behind Short Term SD is somewhat similar to 5 point moving average. The special cause is suppressed when the moving average is taken. So if you plot a trend chart (Run Chart) and 5 or 8 point moving average of same data over it you can note the variation in two. The 5 or 8 point moving average will have less variation and special cause is averaged out by other data.
Though its is pretty difficult to separate out all special cause of variation but this it is suppressed by this method
Hope it helps
for more detail u can contact me on my email
[email protected]

Cheers
Gaurav

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#156591

Quainoo
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Hi Gaurav, Hi Chris,
Many thanks for your answers (I have been away for the week)
Gaurav, thanks for your e-mail address, I am going to make some experiments and I may contact you in the near future. Thanks again.
Vincent

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