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  • #39691

    Anakin
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    Hello Forum,
    I have been an avid follower of the intellectual contributions of this site for many years, and those that aren’t so intellectual as well!
    With that said, this posting is not intended to make friends, nor enemies, but instead is intended to be a realistic commentary on the concept of “Quality Management” as a whole, and where Six Sigma falls into such a concept.
    I first off want to offer my proper respects to the famous individuals that offer their comment, feedback, rebuke, and harrassment.  So, with proper respect given, I now feel that I not only need to tear into this concept, but will ask the powers that be to tempt me into a rational and logical contradiction to this posting!!!  :)  Go for it, I’m prepared…
    I am simply a humble Black Belt within the Financial Services industry, and now moving into the Healthcare industry.  I’ve worked for two major companies that have supported Six Sigma, both JPM and BAC, within Finance, and have found that they don’t understand…!!!
    The concept is all too familiar with the GE style of having a certification target, on which one’s success is built, and a “silo” form of organizational alignment.  Accordingly, I’ve seen candidates transform data just for the fun of it, even though BAC does not allow “approximate normal transformation”, and those that get BB and MBB certifications simply for teaching others concepts of which they do not know themselves, and then leaving the proposed candidates “high-and-dry”, but still pressing for a certification deadline accomplishment.
    I’ve also seen people in JPM receive certification by performing absolutely no statistical analysis at all, and then seeing the actual projected results of the project absolutely fail within 2 years!!!
    I’m moving on….maybe the Dark Side has clouded my judgment, but I am comforted with the fact that doing things “RIGHT THE FIRST TIME” will stay with me.  Unfortunately, I have at least found that the FINANCIAL INDUSTRY believes otherwise, and will have their own indoctrinated “Jedi Knights” to try and kill others that think differently.
    So, on a final note…expect the Death of Six Sigma within Finance at least, but as even ASQ people are apt to tell me, within all areas.  This may take 5 – 10 years, but it definitely is imminent.
    Beware….
    Anakin

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    #121281

    Mikel
    Member

    Thank you for your humble and uninformed opinion.
    People have been saying the same thing for the last 10 years.
    As long as companies continue to make progress under the banner of Six Sigma, it’s not going to die.
    It’s just a label anyway.

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    #121302

    Ken Feldman
    Participant

    SHOCK SHOCK!!!! Someone feels that BAC aka BOA is not properly implementing their SS effort.  I can’t believe it.  After all the great things that Ken Lewis and Milton Jones have said about it.  I am speechless.

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    #121309

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Anakin,
    It will die and it should die eventually. It is the circle of life Simba.
    Why would we believe that the tool for continuous improvent had no room for improvement? Read “The Deviants Advantage and look at how stuff moved from the edge to social convention and gets emasculated at every new step. At some point it deserves to die.
    I agree with Stan I don’t see it happening right away and I have had to listen to a couple of people tell me they were going to kill it. I never quite figured out what that mas macho BS was supposed to prove.
    When the revolution startes and they hang SS in effigy. Keep doing results and you will never be lonly.
    Just my opinion.
    Regards

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    #121311

    Dr. Scott
    Participant

    Six Sigma will not die. It will change names (i.e., Lean Six Sigma via George Group). It will add and reduce tools based on the need. It will change names accordingly to target the needs (there is way too much of this going on these days).
    But the tools of Six Sigma will forever be of value to all industries, now and in the future.
    You stated that “…but I am comforted with the fact that doing things “RIGHT THE FIRST TIME” will stay with me.” Doing things right the first time is fine, for awhile. But soon will be passed by those who do things better all the time. That is the purpose of Six Sigma or any other name it adopts. To do things better the next time, better than right the first time.
    Dr. Scott

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    #121312

    Stevo
    Member

    I think I am personally slowly killing it.  By performing so poorly and eroding the business leaders trust in Six Sigma,  I am on my way to destroy it from within.  (crazy laugh)
    Your SS germ,   – Stevo

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    #121314

    Lothar
    Participant

    “Do it right the first time” has already been replaced by “Do it right the first time as long as it won’t cost us anything in initial capital outlay or production speed.”
    “Near perfect quality” has already been replaced by “Just get this order out today or you’re fired.” 
    Stockholders want output, not perfection.
    “Six Sigma” has already been replaced by “Units Shipped.”
     

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    #121317

    Savage
    Participant

    “Stockholders want output, not perfection.”
    I don’t agree with this at all.  Stockholders want money.  If I could make more money with less output my stockholders wouldnt notice.  I agree that nobody wants to pay for perfection.  That’s mostly because they don’t see the upside to it.  It’s the business leaders job to show them the upside of continuous improvement.  It’s not a hard sell.  It’s dollars and sense and stockholders understand that.  It’s the Z score of their world.   
    “Near perfect quality” has already been replaced by “Just get this order out today or you’re fired.”
    At least where I am people still care about quality.  I’m not going to say it’s always their number one priority but they care. 
    You sound a bit forsaken.  If you really work someplace like this maybe you should look around.
    good luck
    Matt

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    #121334

    Kelly Thrasher
    Participant

    SIx Sigma is a target.  If the target gets changed, well then we change.  Look at the initial toyota production improvement methods, etc.  they changed or eveolved.  I’m at a compnay that poured $$$$into six sigma then never wanted to change things to implement the projects.  I’m still talking about the same concepts now but with different goals.  yes we’re a deliver now, no $ for initiatives but I’m still using the same tools.  BTW I got most of the tools through my Ford 8D certfication.  Does that make them 8D or Six Sigma ?
    Stock/shareholders want results aka the bottom line is that we need to drive out cost.  MONEY is king is business.  If we have to change a name of a program but use the tools, then at least we still know how to contribute to the bottomline.  5S, TPM, TQM, etc. are tools not end all products.

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    #121336

    Dr. Scott
    Participant

    Kelly Thrasher,
    It isn’t often I get the opportunity to address someone’s comments on two separate subjects back-to-back.
    You are on the mark with you comments. You are off the mark on the amount of money poured into 6S at DNY (it was relatively little). More lacking was the support by “division” leaders (I never knew why they called each plant a division. It was almost as if each press was its own separate division).
    Good luck to you at DNY. Please keep me posted.
    Dr. Scott

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    #121353

    Peppe
    Participant

    All that said is correct because improvements will not stop, but I believe we have to analize the actual succesfull companies strategies, to see where SS is going, as many years ago we observed Motorola and GE went in the SS direction. I haven’t these data, but I think they could be available somewhere. Observations about shipping and money depends by companies. A lot of companies are continuing to  implement  strong best practice improvements program, called in some different way.
    Rgs, Peppe

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    #121496

    Anakin
    Participant

    Well, I am glad to hear the few responses that were received.  Darth, we are on common grounds, as I knew that we would be!!!  For those that mock this thought, be prepared…Six Sigma is nothing new, but a brightly colored package of traditional Quality Management concepts wrapped up in a pretty bow!!!
    And I’m sorry Stan, if you feel that this is an “uninformed opinion”, well, it is quite obvious that your peers even think that you are wrong.  Watch your sharp tongue, or it might get cut off one day!!!
    The reality is that we are at an empass right now…Corporate America is no longer supporting the overall “theology” of Six Sigma as they did, and although it appears at first glance that it is still strong, it really is not.
    Another reality around this is that those who are actually skilled within the overall concepts of “Quality” are truly surviving, with great opportunities and potential…don’t overlook this fact Stan!
    None-the-less, there is a huge “sound in the force” within the overall industry right now, and that is leading to the dark side!!!  As several individuals posted their opinions, a new monkier might be on the way, whatever it might be, and even ASQ is open to this.
    None-the-less, the scientific method and engineering requirements will always remain a staple of true Quality Management, no matter what the moniker might be.
    However, for now, those that are overly excited about the concept of Six Sigma, definitely beware!!!
    Anakin

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    #121497

    Dayton
    Member

    You offer only your opinion – show me the data.    And the opinion you offer took no thought and provided no insight, yet you seem to think it profound.  Why? 
    If you want to be a contrarian at least provide data and a new set of thoughts. 
    Vinny

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    #121500

    Anakin
    Participant

    Ah….the venerable Vinny!!!  Well, as the “Get Shorty = John Travolta” character in this forum’s constant parody, that’s a good question!Data, well, my inside connects to ASQ aren’t willing to go on tape around this concept, but trust me, they are most adamant!Profound!!!??? Absolutely not!  This concept that I am throwing out there is actually common “water cooler” talk for those that are actively, and DAILY, involved with the practice of Six Sigma in common Corporate America.  By your reply, it is very obvious that you do not fit this mold, and therefore are NOT an SME on this subject.  Therefore, I would recommend that you keep your superficial “thwarts” to yourself, before you actually expose the lack of knowledge that you supposedly have around this specific subject matter!!!With that obvious understanding now formally communicated, I am most definitely not a “contrarian”, but an actual realist!  The foundation of the moniker “Six Sigma” was founded, not by data, but by concepts, even as Stan admitted in his reply.  Hmmm….let’s see, Deming, Pareto, Shewhart, Ishikawa, …ok, I’m not going to bore my fingers for you, or anybody else.So…I have no data to provide, and even if I did, it would be proprietary, so get off of your soap box!!!  As I initially mentioned, expect the actual death in the near future, not this year!!!Sheesh!!!  Actually read the posts, give it a realistic thought, and a truly thought out replyYou fail!Anakin

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    #121501

    Anakin
    Participant

    Odd, but somehow my reply ended up at the top of this branch, under Stan.
    Sorry Stan, this was meant for Vinny….
    Anakin

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    #121503

    Mikel
    Member

    Very profound – what in the hexx are you talking about?

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    #121504

    Mikel
    Member

    Oh enlightened one. What basis do you have to speak for all of the corporate world?
    You are an idiot.
    Go play with Darth and Vinny.

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    #121514

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Anakin,
    “Well, I am glad to hear the few responses that were received.  Darth, we are on common grounds, as I knew that we would be!!!  For those that mock this thought, be prepared…Six Sigma is nothing new, but a brightly colored package of traditional Quality Management concepts wrapped up in a pretty bow!!!”
    This is a tired old comment and it typically comes from a person who thought they had carved themselves niche in infamy as a TQM expert and now can’t get selected as a BB candidate. It isn’t the same – same tooks different thought process.
    At the end of the day who really cares if it lives or dies? As long as business moves on to something that is a step forward it is what should be done. Anyone who has established themselves a person who can get results will do fine in the next new world.
    Just my opinion.
    Good luck.

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    #121519

    Peppe
    Participant

    Of course Mike, the product must change, after market saturation, otherwise what sell ?
    Rgs, Peppe

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    #121524

    The Beard
    Member

    Death of 6 Sigma………………………….
    I agree with Stan, it’s just a name, call it 3 pink roses if you wish, it’s the methodology and concepts that count. Ultimately, do what you do but smarter.

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    #121539

    Dayton
    Member

    Ah,… as I suspected you truly are an idiot.   I hope your attempt at a flaming response didn’t burn your little fingers as you typed.   Really a juvenile set of postings on your part.
     
    Again sonny, show me the data.
     Vinny

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    #121565

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Anakin,
    Stan and I have been through this scenario before with two bigger JO’s (individually as well as collectively) than you. They did the “we’re killing Six Sigma in a year” routine. Looked a lot like de Niro doing the “You talkin to me” thing. I am sure they stood infront of the mirror in their Looney Tunes cowboy shirts and rehearsed it for hours.
    Now we have you popping up with your inside information from ASQ. Just put some logic to it. Do you really believe that ASQ is interested in defining for Corporate America let alone the rest of the world the new and improved replacement for Six Sigma? It wouldn’t make any sense. An organization like ASQ works better on evolution than revolution.
    There is a wonderful quote from a Jeffery S. Lisabeth of Lloyd Harbor, New York (from What I have learned: The Book) that seems appropriate to your hot piece of gossip: “When telling the world what you have learned, bear in mind that most people couldn’t give the remotest sh_t about what you’ve learned unless it qualifies as inside information under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 or will help them get laid.”
    Your information does not qualify in either catagory so we aren’t give the remotest sh_t anout your post.
    Stop screwing with Vinny. He is funny and you aren’t.
    Just my opinion.

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    #121573

    Savage
    Participant

    Dude – you’ve lost your marbles.

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    #121584

    Stevo
    Member

    Anakin,
    Do you want help here?
    Even though I have only a third grade education, I’m wicked smart and the rest of the forum view me somewhat as thier leader.
    Stevo

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    #121586

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Stevo,
    Go ahead and help him out he isn’t doing well on his own.
    Regards

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    #121591

    Anakin
    Participant

    Stan,
    Well, I see that others are willing to provide assistance to this coup, and I will accept, as I want to hear their points of view as well.
    However, it appears in your very brief retort that you are asking for greater rationale than what is already in the Wall Street Journal or represented through the AP Wire, and becoming common “layman’s knowledge”.  Funny, I actually heard from 4 MBB’s and 3 BB’s within only ONE HOUR their un-solicited opinions around how Six Sigma is being used to support Corporate America.  Actually, let me even be more honest, all of these individuals were looking for positions OUTSIDE of the QUALITY profession!!!  Hmm…I guess that trends are no longer part of a good Quality Management routine???
    The reason being around my comments…Corporate America ain’t getting it, and they are over it, and done with the fight!!!  Ask Jamie Dimon, and he’ll tell you how he has set the standard for the Financial Industry at least!
    However, I am not, so please bring on the irrevelant and uninformed insults, after all, as even supported by today’s ASQ quote, “The great truths begin as blasphemies.” – Bernard Shaw
    “Let’s Dance, you and I”…
    Anakin

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    #121592

    Anakin
    Participant

    The point is that business is not moving forward, but now stuck in an atmosphere of bearacracy and inconsequential standards.  Heck, ISO combined with Six Sigma would end this mess, but nobody looks at the “Big Picture” anymore.
    There is more at stake than one conceptual interpretation of a “methodology” and the stupid and inappropriate standards that are applied to it.  Adhering to such a mis-direction will inevitably hurt any organization, and trust me, it is happening…can’t share specifics due to proprietary info, but it it now actually happening.  I am also fortunate enough to have good respect with other companies, and they are confirming the same.
    If you are not aware of this, then you are also outside of the common frame of reference within Corporate America, and therefore are in no place to share a biased and uninformend opinion!!!
    We all know stats, so please stick to that going forward…Corporate Culture is obviously not up your alley!!!
    Anakin

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    #121594

    AlexP
    Participant

    Check the journal ”Forecasting Management Philosophy Life Cycles: A comparative study of Six Sigma and TQM” QMJ Vol. 12, No.2 2005, ASQ by R.J. Goeke.
    I’m not saying he’s absolutely right but it’s an interesting one. He suggests that SixSigma has approximately 7 years left in its life cycle…  

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    #121595

    Anakin
    Participant

    Stevo,
    I would appreciate that…I have this intuition that your offer will allow some additional points of view, so I am most definitely open!
    Go for it…!
    Anakin

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    #121596

    BB
    Participant

    what does six sigma evolve into over the next 7 years????

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    #121597

    Mikel
    Member

    42

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    #121598

    Anakin
    Participant

    Read the papers, Annual Reports, and the Wall Street Journal…maybe you will learn a thing or two?
    Anakin

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    #121599

    Anakin
    Participant

    Not trying to crack a joke here…but, if you don’t see the tital wave coming, then you are way too removed from the subject to speak about it.
    Reminds me of the morning Weather Girl, who inevitably gets wrong…EVERY DAY!!!
    Anakin

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    #121600

    Mikel
    Member

    What qualifications do you have to back up all of this noise you continue to make?

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    #121601

    Anakin
    Participant

    I agree with this…the moniker will change, and the emphasis, especially on certification, will as well…
    ASQ has the concept of “Quality” right…others have jumped on the bandwagon, only to get on the bandwagon, and will need to identify with something else in the next evolution, and then “jump ship.”
    Anakin

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    #121602

    Anakin
    Participant

    My credentials?  I hope you are asking for more than my simple, easily accessed, Black Belt certification???
    Only some Indiana Jones’s type archaeology, including statiscal sampling of geographical areas around states that had a large orientation of lithic artifacts within Middle Woodland timeframe, additional archaeological work that focused on identifying the root causes of the evaporation of the Classic Maya Civilization which required analysis of statistical variations within an Astro-Physical plane of reference regarding the Milky Way and seasonal trench harvesting, a semi-professional career as a wanna-be musician, doing bio-behavioral reasearch for Sea World on dolphin activities and any statistical anomalies (in true spirit of Shewhart’s SPC), and then developing three Quality programs from scratch within the financial industry.
    Not much experience, but at least I have had fun, and feel that at least I have a flavor of what it means to “do things right the first time”.
    I hope this qualifies for this group, but if not…heck, I don’t really care!
    Reality is what reality is…I would love to hold this forum again down the road!!!
    Anakin

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    #121603

    Dayton
    Member

    What is it, recess time again?   OK, let me make it simple for you little fellow.
     
    You profess to have contacts in ASQ and listen to discussion around the water cooler.  I am not impressed.  I have not seen a water cooler in years and know that ASQ jumped on the Six Sigma bandwagon late after years of alternating between ignoring and criticizing it and is now trying to become the institutionalization of the field and make a buck doing so.  Life ebbs and flows.
     
    Anyone with a smattering of common sense understands that what we know as Six Sigma will eventually, as other programs have in the past, evolve into something else.  As long as the evolution takes a best of the best approach, uses scientific problem solving methodology and statistical rigor, and involves a committed upper management, as Six Sigma does, we’ll be OK and hopefully better.
     
    Looking at the shifting sands of evolving business and continuous improvement paradigms as a point in time “thing” and saying the “thing” will die says nothing about the efficacy of where we are now, what we might morph into, the inherent transitory nature of business, or your abilities as a prognosticator – it does speak to your lack of awareness and maturity.
     
    Grow up Nostradamus.
     Vinny

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    #121604

    Anakin
    Participant

    You’re too hilarious!
    Thanks for the laugh!
    Anakin

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    #121605

    Dayton
    Member

    Snappy retort.  Along the lines of, “Oh yeah? Sez you!!!”
     Vinny

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    #121606

    Anakin
    Participant

    Well heck, what were you looking for?
    Do you want to quabble over the value of CPk vs PPk, a U Chart vs an IMR Chart, or the Tukey’s ANOVA?
    Heck, your question was not all that direct, and much less directed, so what did you expect???
    Write and question what you expect, and you will get a response that is (hopefully) equal in magnitude. 
    Write crap, and that is what you will get!
    Anakin
     

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    #121607

    Dayton
    Member

    Zoo Monkey,
     
    Lacking logic you fling poop.   Say, you’re not a chimp are you?  Now that would be impressive. 
     
    You actually have met my expectations of you. 
     Vinny

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    #121608

    Anakin
    Participant

    That reply is expected, and fully understood, and definitely appreciated!
    Just simply an expression of your understandings!
    Go play with the Soprano’s, and quit boring people!
    Anakin

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    #121609

    Anakin
    Participant

    pre-school humor

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    #121611

    Adam Bowden
    Participant

    40 – the true “meaning of life” !!!

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    #121613

    Dr Seuss
    Participant

    Collegues,
    Wow!  This discussion has been fun for some and insulting for others.  Look, when all the tools have been assimilated into the normal way of solving problems and no one is willing to pay consultants to teach them about Six, Seven, Eight or Nine Sigma, then it dies.  It is just that simple.  One of the threads mentioned that it will change form, names, acronyms, etc.  As long as some “in vogue” company is making a claim about something they “invented” to improve productivity and solve problems, some other company will figure out how to commercialize and capitalize on the information and ultimately the methodology.  That is the American way.

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    #121627

    Wojtek
    Member

    Anakinyou have an interesting point alas the question is whether 6sigma is treated as a complicated single use specialised tool to solve a clearly defined specific problem the Company has or whether it is treated as an vogue idea around which some mored detailed actions are organized.I have a small software company in Poland. I found 6sigma when browsing over the internet. All resources I got across were either very obscure or complicated as if made primarily for getting more jobs for consultants.
    And than i found a book by A.Larson ‘Demistyfying 6sigma’ where there is almost no math! And it works! The single most important sentence from the book reads “6sigma is organized common sense”. So how can it fade away? Where it would get us into: new marketing gizmos? If we are here to bring results than we do not need complicated tools – the ones each of us keeps in our garage are basic hammers, screwdrivers and pliers.Same applies to the corporate world: the best tools are the ones that are really used. Typically users do not bother to remeber complicated procedures, and (my personal favourite) saying goes ‘i havent bought the software to readt the @#@$ manual’. So the basic tools are the most efficient. It is not about the tool you have but it is about your skills in using this tool. So the easier the tool to use the better results may be achieved. Toyota has a clear goal: become #1 in car industry. And they are on the right track because they ‘make best cars by creating superb processes that can be run by oridinary people’Let the force be with you
    Wojtek

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    #121642

    Mikel
    Member

    Sorry, I did not mean to make it over your head.

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    #121684

    Stevo
    Member

    Anakin,
     
    First, some coaching, when making broad, opinioned, heated and what could be considered insulting comments – don’t say that you welcome their rebuttals and then have a hissy fit when they don’t agree with you.   – The “drive by” school of the stirring the pot is much more effective.  Don’t stand around and wait to see if the hand grenade explodes.
     
    You should have said something like, “ In the evolved and bastardized form, Six Sigma is not long for this world.  Everything has a birth and a death and if you don’t believe this you are either stupid or naive.
     
                “not long for this world” can be interpreted differently – i.e. mountain or fruit fly.
                Leave the insult with only two options – Stupid or naïve.
     
    Every argument has an offense and a defense.  Learn to walk away and let the forum members hang their selves.  They will eventually.
     
    What were we talking about?
     
    Stevo

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    #121990

    Anakin
    Participant

    Hi Stevo,
    I appreciate your candid and intellectual response, truly, I do!  No “hissy fit” here…just wanted to share a documentation of current corporate reality.
    Interestingly enough, I ran into an MBB from Ford over the last several days.  Personally, I did not know that Ford accepted Six Sigma into their world, so this was news to me.
    However, I was not shocked when he was discussing the most recent RIF from Ford, but the impact that plus GM’s RIF might have on the overall economy.  This concern was only extrapolated to an infinite integer when you consider what Japan’s investments, strategies, and tactictal approaches are!!!
    As much as I appreciate your very candid opinion, I have to openly admit…you, and your crew, being those overly verbose figures out there, really are showing there true colors…YOU DON’T KNOW!!!
    Speaking “Gospel”, and living the “faith” are very two different components.  It is ever SO EASY to TALK THE WALK, but within this forum I am truly finding out that many absolutely are so ignorant in WALKING THE TALK!!!
    Although I have still to go through all of the postings, I do want to give props to Darth…there is one thing to speak ideology, there is another to make it work.  Believe or not, some people can make both happen…but others are full of hot air, and then there are those that can see both sides of that coin!!!
    Anakin

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    #121991

    Anakin
    Participant

    Oh, don’t worry…no preschool humor here.
    But I am laughing at your ignorance!!!
    Yeah, that was really funny…
    So Bart, what else to you have up your pants?
    Anakin

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    #121992

    Anakin
    Participant

    Hear-Here Brother!!!
    Names change…science evolves…advances are outputs…new concepts are identified…current situations are bettered based on old concepts…then everything reverts to retro!!!
    Same in art, music, science, statistics, and whatever…if you have half of a brain, you get it!
    For those blow-hards that are too self involved to only deal with self-promotion, if even only within a handle, if you can’t see this self-evident concept – simply shut up and quit embarrassing yourselves!!!
    There are those of us, like me, that are looking out there and laughing at you…by the thousands…they just don’t have the guts to put it on the line, and in this forum…so I speak for them, and many know me very well and agree!!!
    Look at the world, and try to understand where you fit in, and what you know…because it may change next month…THAT IS REALITY!!!!
    And Corporate America is really not all that excited in the concept of Six Sigma…they do appreciate that background, but the “culture” is most definitely different.
    Simply Remember…Quality is what matters…whatever the name is!!!
    Anakin

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    #121995

    Anakin
    Participant

    Thank you for a true, and honest, response!
    Six Sigma won’t fade away, as it is really nothing new!
    As a compilation between many Quality concepts over a century, and leaning off of Deming’s PDCA model and PMI (Project Management Institute), Six Sigma is simply a package of a lot of thought processes packaged up within a pretty box, and the certification is the pretty bow on top!!!
    The reality is that Six Sigma is nothing new…great tried and tested Quality techniques…but, wrapped up in a transparent methodology that meets Deming’s needs, and supposedly was intended to meet those of PMI’s, it fell short!!!  Feel free to call the PMI Legend, Dr. John A. Adams, and he will give you an ear-full of what he thinks Six Sigma is…tell him that I sent you…he’ll know me!!!  :)
    The reality is that there is a right way to do things, and a wrong way to do them…cultures and businesses have ultimately done one or the other over the years.
    My recommendation…figure out your goal, the approach you would like to take, figure out the current situation, identify what the problem is, figure out what the limitation to the goal might be, identify a truly probable solution, identify the cost/benefit: reward/risk, and if you decide to move forward, then DO IT!!!
    There are a lot of tools, concepts, and approaches that can help you to get to that decision…but DON’T RELY on this website to get you there!!!!  Learn, research, and test…by all means, if you have a “gut feeling”, great!!!  But test it first before implementing!
    The last comment is the greatest fault that I have seen within Corporate America’s acceptance of Six Sigma!!!! 
    After all….there are a lot of MORON’S out there that speak very well about their level of knowledge…but I have also seen that DESTROY A P&L!!!!
    So, I appreciate your honest and sincere question, and that is my honest and sincere response…but, by all means, please come to your own conclusion based on your own research!!!
    Anakin

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    #121996

    Mikel
    Member

    Anakin,
    It’s good to see that a week has not made you any smarter.
    I was talking to a guy from Ford the other day and he said he had met an idiot named Anakin. What a strange coincidence

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    #121998

    Mikel
    Member

    PMI legend? Wow I stand corrected.
    What is a PMI legend anyway? How can you be a legend in something so simple and logical?

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    #121999

    Anakin
    Participant

    Wow!!!
    How much of a realistic, intelligent, grown-up person you have come to be!
    That was a good retort…I’ll have to remember that!
    Are you actually trying to lower the IQ of the individuals that look to this forum for guidance?
    And yes, it has been a week…unlike such a nerd as you, I actually do have a life…and this includes parties, great females, and no talk of statistics or Six Sigma!!!  As a matter of fact, seeing as though you are obviously so concerned about my attendance, I might as well and tell you that I have leveraged my experience, knowledge, and business applications well enough to allow me to take off for at least the next 2 1/2 weeks, and oh…I’ve got plenty of payed vacation time for the rest of the year as well!!!
    So…this will give you plenty of time to think about why you are such a dependent nerd on this site…is it your homelife, work environment, social inapptitude, or simply a humorous attempt at trying to make yourself feel good by spitting out a bunch of B.S.????
    Your call?  Happy July 4th!!!
    Anakin

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    #122000

    Anakin
    Participant

    You speak for yourself…so you obviously don’t really know of what the concept of “Project Management” is….that is pretty self-evident!
    You’re too funny…actually, I think that your handle should be…
     
    ELMO
    Yeah…that seems much more appropriate!!!
    Or are you Bert?  If so…who’s your Ernie???
    Anakin

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    #122001

    Anakin
    Participant

    Hi Stan,
    As I am actually finishing up my packing to go down and enjoy the “Virgin” Isands for a bit, I got to start thinking, as I was listening to some music…
    As my wonderful girlfriend was modeling her “wear” via Gwen Stefani’s song “Holloback Girl”, she ended her tease with an additional dance…oh….sorry, can’t go there!
    But now that we are having those post-coital giggles…she is wanting me to let you know to “lighten up a bit…”  has given reference to some “50Cent” song, but I don’t really care….
    Think up a response, to whatever that says and/or means …I’ll shut down, and circle back is a month or so!
    Try not to destroy the world!
    Anakin

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    #122050

    Stevo
    Member

    It might be just me, but I’m really starting to like this guy.   He’s like a warm hug.  I also thinks it’s prety impressive that he has a girlfriend AND gets a vacation.
    Step aside Micheal Jackson, I have a new hero!
    Stevo

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    #122052

    Dayton
    Member

    You know what Stevo?  I agree.  I’m also beginning to look forward to his postings.
     
    I’m sorry I got tense, misread him and called him an idiot the other day. 
     
    He was just trying to help us step back and take a look at the transitory nature of this tool kit and mindset we call Six Sigma – plus, like you, the girlfriend and vacation kind of won me over along with the Indiana Jones ad hoc archeological adventures he mentioned the other day.
     Vinny

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    #122057

    Fact man
    Participant

    All of you need to grow up. This is a free country and everyone is entitled to their opinion even if it is wrong and definitely if it is different than yours. I can not believe you have wasted so much storage space with such childish behavior. Can we not all agree to keep this site as a place where one can come and get help with questions from folks who have a lot more knowledge than they do?

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    #122062

    Mikel
    Member

    Probably not.

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    #122063

    Mikel
    Member

    Hey I’m beginning to like him too. He has a girlfriend, vacations, and as far as I know is the first to introduce sex to iSixSigma.
    And he talks to his girlfriend about Stan after sex!
    I would have thought it would have been before.
    I wonder if it was before or after he paid her?

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    #122066

    mand
    Member

    Fact Man: get a life! and quote some facts if you are going to use such a stupid forum name!!!!
    PS, which country are you on about that is free? Fa(c)t one, open your eyes and notice the international nature of this forum. Fa(c)t two, your epistemological standpoint suggests that you are not that experienced in the ontological requirements of this discussion forum..
     

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    #122079

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Anakin,
    I am not particularly interested in you inane diatribe but before you start pounding your chest about PMI you might want to look a little closer at how they are running that organization.
    I just joined. That process (giving money) seemed to go well. Then to purchase some books – bad first indicator I have to re-enter all my personal data because the database for membership doesn’t talk to the book sales data base. Not a big issue for PMI since the member has to do the entry.
    The book store doesn’t deliver to a PO Box (per policy according to the website) and since I want the books there when I return I want them to go to a PO Box. I send the book store an email asking why not. I get an email saying it is a poilicy (redundant). At least they were consistent with the website.
    I write another email and said I understand it is a policy that wasn’t the question, why is it a policy? They reply that they cannot track to a PO Box. I reply that my accountant Fed Ex’s to my PO Box and they can track it perhaps they need another service?
    They reply it might get lost and I would still have to pay for it. I said if they track it to the PO Box that is between me and the owner of the PO Box company.
    They said it will screw up their delivery metric (now we are getting to the truth). I said the metric is driving the wrong behavior but they can just remove the data point.
    They refered me to customer service.
    Three weeks later a lady emails me that they will send it to my PO Box and she will assure me that she will personally make sure it goes there. It is starting to feel more like customer service but it is also looking like there isn’t a process.
    Now if this bastion of customer focus is what you are using for a benchmark it is no wonder you are so confused. That is a polite term for your condition. 
    You position has failed to impress anyone but yourself. You are flailing around trying to sound enlightened and the name dropping hasn’t enhanced your position at all. Particularly the part where you add that the legend will know you. That ceratainly made a big difference for me.
    Do yourself a favor and take a break, do a little reading so you don’t sound quite so stupid, and come back in a few months.
    Just my opinion.
     

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    #122081

    Markert
    Participant

    We have been able to locate our new friend and his friend through the marvel of technology.
                           
    You’ll notice that while attentive, the girlfriend has apparently refused to allow him to kiss. Maybe shy? Maybe he has bad breath?
    But it looks like the girlfriend needs to take a break for a bit of hand lotion to be kissing smooth for the little guy’s next round!!! It is vacation time and it was, afterall a busy night last evening apparently.
    No money exchanged “hands” here. But he still talks about Stan after sex!

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    #122084

    Mikel
    Member

    Phil,
    Clearly I had the relationship wrong. This makes much better sense.
    Stan
    PS – That was great, definitely in the top 10 for 2006

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    #122085

    Mikel
    Member

    I’ll take all comers that he is still stupid next time he shows up. Except for no swooning over Mikel, and the reference to sex; he sounds a lot like Reigle.

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    #122087

    HiSide
    Participant

    Anakin –
    Please no worry about these dummies like Carnell and Stan and Darth.  They just come here to make big egos by smashing little people.  We know this kind of action too well.  They do not welcome you here because you do not agree with them.  So stay strong and ignore these dummies.
    Notice in other talks to this site that when person has good question they make little writing or call you stupid.  When you disagree with them they make big writings.  I hear about Mr. Carnell here and people here say to stay away.  He charges much cost and provides nothing but talk.  He and the others are bad luck.
    Mr. High Side

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    #122088

    Issa
    Participant

    HiSide,
    You need to learn how to speak and write in proper English. I did not catch a word from your comments.
    Issa

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    #122089

    Mikel
    Member

    Hi Hi or is it Hi High?
    Very good post. If you think Anakin is strong I feel sorry for you.

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    #122111

    AlexP
    Participant

    Hiside,
    Why dont you try then to give answers to people’s questions? Carnell’s comments are always welcome and if someone has to stay away from this forum th it should be you. Try to stay quiet as you had been till now

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    #122143

    Guest
    Participant

    Sam
    You are such a gentleman. We all can see that you have never read the rules of ettique for this board. We can all tell your qualifications for slaming on the board: your divorced, you have given up on the personals ads, that corporal tunnel syndrome you have did not come from work or the keyboard like you claim and your embarassed because a monkey actually tested with a higher IQ than you. Oh I am sorry I forgot the most important thing; you are really a nice guy but people just don’t understand you. Why don’t you try just getting along with people. Fact man had it right, be nice, but you are a jerk and your response to this will prove it.

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    #122148

    mand
    Member

    Guest (aka “Fact Man”),
    I thank you for your somewhat pathetic attempt to defend your alter ego. Your illiterate posting has amused me greatly as well as substantiating the facts presented in my earlier posting.
    Sam

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    #160295

    Obi Wan
    Participant

    Anakin,
    I couldn’t agree with you more. I come from GE, and have since moved into an in-house position with a major healthcare provider which is a dominant force in our market. Six Sigma simply does not work in the healthcare industry. I’ve seen good people go crazy over it and either leave their jobs or lose them over it. It almost has a sort of cult following, and it is disturbing.
    I agree that the industry will eventually correct itself and this “cult” practice will fall to the way-side, as did the burning of witches in Salem.  How many casualties it will leave in it’s wake has yet to be determined.
    Obi Wan

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    #160298

    Darth Plagus the Wise
    Participant

    Good Obi Wan…  Good.
    The elimination of data based decision making that is the foundation of Six Sigma will open up limitless opportunities that some consider to be irrational…

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    #160299

    Chakra’s Mantra
    Participant

    Obi Wan, just look at the time stamp of Anakin’s post … you’re responding to someone who hasn’t posted in over 2 years. It looks like you need to get a little bit into the sunlight and leave your zombie life as the Kassandra of six sigma. I always love guys like you who haven’t been up to date for years and years, yet makes these oracle-like predictions that “Six Sigma simply does not work in the healthcare industry” … you’re not exactly giving me that fuzzy feeling that you are the brightest of the employees in the “provider which is a dominant force in our market”. I hope they have other employees who can compensate for your being so out of touch with this world … but hopefully after two years of brilliant pondering and posting responses to ghosts you’re at least in touch with your inner chakra …

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    #160301

    The New MB
    Member

    But Lean-SS does  work…..

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