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    Miguel Camargo
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    Hi all,About the six sigma deployment, most of the books recommend to train as a black belt to 1% of the total population, 5% as a green belt & 10-100% as a yellow belt. Here are my concerns:Is there any financial justification for this? Should we save more money If 100% of the engineering staff is trained as least as a Green belt?

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    #73990

    Ø6 Sigma BB Coordinator
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    It is difficult to say what is suitable to your organization.
    If you have some doubt, train your people little by little. You can accellerate the training later if you want to.
    You should also choose to train others and develope this personnel. This will build your strong system and save your money. However, this process will take time.
    Six Sigma Black Belt Coordinator  

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    #73993

    Mike Carnell
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    Miguel,
    There are guidelines around the numbers similar to what you have listed. I even have a slide like that when I pitch this stuff. The problem is two fold. Management wants a number – if you don’t give them one you don’t get to see what’s behind door #3 and the other guy does. Second issue they get the number and then it gets stuck in their head and they can’t get it back out.
    The number isn’t as important as understanding how much change your organization can take before it implodes. You can typically gage this by watching the IT and Maintenance departments (Maintenance if it is a manufacturing type company). They are typically the first to get buried.
    Next thing – get enough BB’s to get a couple good MBB’s trained and start reducing or eliminating your reliance on consultants. You have to internalize the program if you want it to be effective. The reason you hear so many people say “when the consultants left the improvement left with them” is because most consulting firms do focus on passing the ownership of the program to the customer. Many of them are more focused on “mining” more business once they are inside your company. That is a real live consulting company term and if it comes out of their mouth you had better run or get rid of them. Read the book “Bad Company.”
    Now that I have pretty well slit my own wrists – good luck.

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    #73997

    Miguel Camargo
    Participant

    Mike,We would like to give to the people involved in the six sigma projects training programs as a reward (specially to the ones that are involved in the project as a participant, but do not receive a formal training as the core team). However, using this reward model will cause that more than 5% of the company would be trained as a Green belt & perhaps more than 1% as a Black belt.What do you think about this reward model? In other hand, could you please share the slide that you prepared? Regards,

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    #74000

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Miguel,
    I am going to run a risk of sounding like some Texas Hill Country redneck. I am assuming you are in Mexico. Your location has a lot to do with how you reward people.
    In the US individual recognition is important. My best teams have always been in Mexico. Maybe the strenghth or the family unit or what ever but the teams there are always great. If this where you are I would reward them in teams and I would train them in teams. It is the environment they are most comfortable in.
    AS far as the number. I would use an the accelerator approach up to about 30% for GB’s (use your BB’s to train them). When things bottleneck – shut down training for a while. Turn it back on whe things loosen up. By the time you hit 30% you will see the correct rate – you might even let it run after 30% on a pull system – train them when they ask.
    I would be careful on the number of BB’s. If you get to many they will be tripping all over each other hunting for a project particularly if you use the “dollar savings per year” metric.
    I would rather have to few BB’s and to many GB’s than just the opposite.
    Sorry about the convoluted answer. I am rambling a bit from the caffine.
    Good luck.

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    #74004

    Miguel Camargo
    Participant

    Mike,Thanks for your comments! I am working in Mexicali, Mexico(just in the border), here in my company the 6S program is just starting and the rewarding system is one of the things that we need to clarify. We want to congratulate the teamwork & at the same time avoiding cannibalizing practices. P.D.: If you can e-mail me the slide that you talked before, that would be great! In addition, If you can share any reward system would be great.
    E-mail: [email protected]

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    #74007

    Mike Carnell
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    Miguel,
    I love Mexicali. I spent a lot of time there with the Allied Turbo Charger and Charge Air Cooler  guys. They were always driving the level of competition in the BB classes.
    Miguel Hernandez works at the Allied site in Calexico. Miguel is one of the best BB’s I have ever worked with. We traveled all over the place (Europe) together. He will probably answer any questions you have if you need a local resource.
    I am a fan of the Mexican culture but certainly not an expert. I would suggest asking Miguel and some of his friends there (Louis Leon Wong – he was in the Charge Air Cooler plant) how they did it in there plants. They will probably offer more insight. If not email me back.
    I will send you the slide.

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