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    Draper
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    I see a lot of people missing the boat on this new methodoly.

    SSA and Co and BMGI were smart to start teaching it and using it in their MBB training.

    Sometimes a “p-value” can only take you so far.

    Innovation goes well beyond DFSS, and in my humble opinion I see this being the next wave and generation of Lean/Six Sigma.

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    #191408

    MBBinWI
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    Don Draper wrote:

    I see a lot of people missing the boat on this new methodoly.

    SSA and Co and BMGI were smart to start teaching it and using it in their MBB training.

    Sometimes a “p-value” can only take you so far.

    Innovation goes well beyond DFSS, and in my humble opinion I see this being the next wave and generation of Lean/Six Sigma.

    What the heck are you talking about?

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    #191409

    Andrew Banks
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    I’ve never heard of this as a methodology either…

    Is it a formalization of the IDEO mentality?

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    #191410

    Mikel
    Member

    You get hit in the head one to many times playing Lacrosse?

    Have you actually read the drivel written by Silverstein on Innovation?

    I agree with the others, what in the hell are you talking about. Invoking Silverstein doesn’t add to your credibility.

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    #191413

    MBBinWI
    Participant

    Stan wrote:

    You get hit in the head one to many times playing Lacrosse?

    Have you actually read the drivel written by Silverstein on Innovation?

    I agree with the others, what in the hell are you talking about. Invoking Silverstein doesn’t add to your credibility.

    Where did you see Silverstein mentioned? For the life of me, the original post by Draper makes no sense.

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    #191414

    Andrew Banks
    Participant

    Hi Stan:

    Couple of things:

    1. Hi there again. I read this forum daily, but don’t post much. when I do, I always look forward to seeing whether or not you have an opinion. It is one of the risks anyone takes posting here.

    2. Not sure what you mean by Silverstein. Tim Brown is the CEO of IDEO, but many of IDEOs lead designers, managers and thinkers have published on their “Design Thinking” methodology. As far as IDEO’s methods being drivel, I guess that’s a personal opinion, but they have had more than a little bit of success with it.

    3. Third, MBBinWI’s post was for Don, not me. Check the time stamp.

    4. Lacrosse is fun. We should play sometime.

    Thanks and Regards,

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    #191415

    MBBinWI
    Participant

    Don Draper wrote:

    I see a lot of people missing the boat on this new methodoly.

    SSA and Co and BMGI were smart to start teaching it and using it in their MBB training.

    Sometimes a “p-value” can only take you so far.

    Innovation goes well beyond DFSS, and in my humble opinion I see this being the next wave and generation of Lean/Six Sigma.

    Since Draper refuses to expand on the original post to identify just what he is including in Design and Innovation – but purports that DfSS does not encompass innovation – I really must refute the assertion.

    Since I have a bit of a background in DfSS, I’ll throw in my 2 bits for what it’s worth.

    There is no standard and commonly accepted definition for DfSS. There are some, typically DMAIC practitioners, who seem to believe that DfSS is nothing more than the extension of DMAIC into the engineering realm. They seem to believe that conducting a DOE transforms a project into DfSS.

    As an engineer and product developer, I believe that DfSS starts with identification of customer problems and needs and proceeds from there through identification of methods to address them, using a broad array of tools, finishing with a design scorecard that demonstrates the capability of the design to satisfy functional, producibility, and durability requirements at an acceptable cost.

    So, to Draper, I disagree that DfSS doesn’t include innovation. However, I will acknowledge that there are many out there purporting to be DfSS experts that really don’t know what they are talking about, and thus muddy the overall understanding of what DfSS really is about.

    That said, I still don’t understand what Draper was identifying as “missing the boat on this methodoly (sic).” I think he was probably taking is nom-de-plume too seriously and had begun imbibing prior to typing the post.

    Just my humble opinion.

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    #191416

    Mikel
    Member

    Draper is a real guy, you can find him on the web. That said, I don’t think it was drinking, I think he doesn’t have a clue.

    BMGi’s IP on “innovation” was written by their CEO and chief blow hard – Silverstein. Read it sometime, it’s just awful. It is as bad as anything written by Brue, and that is a very low bar.

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    #191447

    Draper
    Participant

    Stan wrote:

    Draper is a real guy, you can find him on the web. That said, I don’t think it was drinking, I think he doesn’t have a clue.

    BMGi’s IP on “innovation” was written by their CEO and chief blow hard – Silverstein. Read it sometime, it’s just awful. It is as bad as anything written by Brue, and that is a very low bar.

    Stan,

    Have you read the book? I’m sorry I created so much confusion here. All I was stating is that Design and Innovation are the next big things in Six Sigma, especially in most MBB trainings. See D4 by BMG or similiar methods by SSA&co , Triz etc.

    How do you know what the customer really wants…it gets down to that, to the root cause….

    A customer says , I need a better lawnmower….but what they really want is a the best grass on the block, so you get into innovation involved , genetic engineering of the grass seed.

    Is cannibis legal, yes in some states, with a card from a doctor.

    What happened to that trio of people that would post with you Stan, I forget all the other fake usernames you used to make up and have conversations with yourself.

    Cheers,

    Don

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    #191448

    Draper
    Participant

    MBBinWI wrote:

    Don Draper wrote:
    [quote]I see a lot of people missing the boat on this new methodoly.

    SSA and Co and BMGI were smart to start teaching it and using it in their MBB training.

    Sometimes a “p-value” can only take you so far.

    Innovation goes well beyond DFSS, and in my humble opinion I see this being the next wave and generation of Lean/Six Sigma.

    What the heck are you talking about?[/quote]

    Read the Innovators Toolkit.

    Silverstein is the next Deming

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    #191449

    Draper
    Participant

    Stan wrote:

    Draper is a real guy, you can find him on the web. That said, I don’t think it was drinking, I think he doesn’t have a clue.

    BMGi’s IP on “innovation” was written by their CEO and chief blow hard – Silverstein. Read it sometime, it’s just awful. It is as bad as anything written by Brue, and that is a very low bar.

    Are you jealous of BMGis success, or more so of Silverstein?

    Many people have stated he is my generations Deming of 2012.

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    #191452

    MBBinWI
    Participant

    Don Draper wrote:

    MBBinWI wrote:
    [quote]Don Draper wrote:
    [quote]I see a lot of people missing the boat on this new methodoly.

    SSA and Co and BMGI were smart to start teaching it and using it in their MBB training.

    Sometimes a “p-value” can only take you so far.

    Innovation goes well beyond DFSS, and in my humble opinion I see this being the next wave and generation of Lean/Six Sigma.

    What the heck are you talking about?[/quote]

    Read the Innovators Toolkit.

    Silverstein is the next Deming[/quote]

    Actually, I have. Wasn’t that impressed. Mostly a rehash of topics that have been around for 30 years. And please don’t slander the good Dr. by such talk.

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