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    Mark Anthony
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    When becoming Green or Black Belt certified does it matter which body it is from ASQ or IQF?  Which one does GE support?

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    #85826

    lin
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    GE supports neither. If you go to work at GE, you will be trained and certified by them.
    IQF is a joke. ASQ is a close second, but adds a little more credibility. Go for a Tier 1 certification from a real company and show you can get results by completing projects.

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    #109748

    issa Bass
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    I do not believe that the so called Tier1 is better than IQF or ASQ. The training with IQF requires some analytical abilities and a deep understanding of statistics. No company can give you everything you need to know about Six Sigma, they only provide the basics and it will be up to you to research and better yourself. We all know that most BB and MBB only hold empty certificate.
    Allow me that anecdote.
    I was working for a Fortune 500 company that specializes in outsourcing for major computer manufacturers. They decided in the year 2000 to start a Six Sigma deployment. They called for the services of a reputable consulting firm to provide the training of the future Six Sigma team. The company selected team leads and supervisors with only high school diplomas to be trained as black belts and master BB. In three weeks (6 hours a day and 5 days a week) the consulting firm trained them and certified them.
    If you ask them to define the range or standard variation of a distribution, they will tell you that they do not know.
    The company has a plant in Memphis TN where it specializes in repairing computers for major manufacturers. It had at one time 6 contracts and occupied about 700 000sft of space. It lost all the contracts but two and is only using less that 300 000sft of all the space it is paying for. It has a stock of more than $3,000,000 worth of obsolete inventory, and the Six Sigma team is still incapable to fugure out why they are doing so bad. In fact they are making Six Sigma look very bad.
    So Bill, the so called Tier1 firms are not better than ASQ or IQF.

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    #110645

    issa Bass
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    You certainly  have noticed that I wrote standard “variation”, I meant deviation. Sorry for the mistake.
     

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    #110647

    S
    Member

    Issa,
    What was the point of this bitterly sounding story? 
    What I take out of the story was either 1. management had a very poor rollout or 2. the “reputable” consulting firm delivered a poor strategy and/or training or 3. you did not beat your head against the brick wall until someone saw you had some partial explanation for the failings at the facility you worked. 
    Blackbelts, MBB, Greenbelts must show some leadership and guts to get the status quo to change.  No one has ever said change wasn’t easy.  Remember that how the message is delivered can impact whether management is convinced.
    I’m worried about how bitter your post sounded and how close of a description of what and where the facility is.   

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    #110661

    Issa
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    I was not bitter about what happened. I was instead sorry that the failed. I was just trying to explain why I think that IQF is not worse than the so called tier consulting firms. I am a six sigma BB and I am diong pretty well.
    No grudge.

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    #110683

    CS
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    Glad to hear…

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