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  • September 11, 2008 at 10:06 am #50916

    The Hooded Claw
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    I am conducting a Gauge R&R using 4 operators however I do not know what the K value would be for 4 operators using the X-Bar method
    Anyone know of where I could find this value?????.
    Before you ask I am not allowed to use Minitab, daft I know!!!
    Cheers

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    September 11, 2008 at 1:11 pm #175652

    NICOLAE
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    The K2 value for 4 operators is 6/2.24=2.678I found this value in the book Gauge R&R Studies – For Destructive and Non-Destructive Testing by Mario Perez-Wilson.
    You can also find it in Quality Control and Industrial Statistics by Acheson Duncan.

    Good luck

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    September 11, 2008 at 5:00 pm #175668

    walden
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    It depends if you’re using 5.15 or 6 standard deviations for your calculations. For 5.15 the K2 value is 2.30. For 6 the value is 2.68 like Nicole stated.

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    September 11, 2008 at 7:03 pm #175685

    walden
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    I hurried my original post because I was trying to get out of here for lunch. After giving it more thought, I should have asked you for the values of at least one of the other K1 or K2 values you’re using before I answered.
    The values depend on how the factors you are using were calculated (i.e. 5.15/2.24, 6/2.24 or 1/2.24 for 4 appraisers). You’ll notice the difference in the K1, K2 and K3 factors used between the 2nd and 3rd editions of the AIAG MSA manuals.
     

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    September 11, 2008 at 8:13 pm #175688

    Ken Feldman
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    Well, I’m sorry. If lunch is more important posting an accurate response on this Forum then we don’t want to hear from you. You are hereby banned for 28.376 hours or until you correct your deviant behavior. All would have been forgiven if you said that you were sloppy because you were in a hurry to get to a bar and drink heavily. But alas, you didn’t, so the clock starts now.

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    September 12, 2008 at 10:30 am #175705

    Craig
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    Are you sure you aren’t doing a take-home exam or something? It sounds crazy that you are not allowed to use Minitab.
    My suggestions:
    Use the ANOVA method, Use Minitab or JMP, use 3 operators

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    September 12, 2008 at 12:31 pm #175710

    Mikel
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    Can you use an Excel spreadsheet set up for the ANOVA method?

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    September 12, 2008 at 5:53 pm #175728

    ANDREA
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    Yes, I can use them. Can you upload them please?

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    September 12, 2008 at 6:06 pm #175729

    Mikel
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    Send me an email at [email protected]

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    September 13, 2008 at 11:41 am #175736

    Craig
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    I would make sure the pretty charts are included with the excel template. (The interaction plot and XBar / R plots are  pretty useful). The Hooded Claw might want to use the excel template using ANOVA, unless he or she was actually doing a take home exam.

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    September 17, 2008 at 6:46 am #175841

    The Hooded Claw
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    Thanks for you help.
    The reason i cannot use minitab or excel to do this is because neither of these have been validated at my company.
     

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    September 25, 2008 at 9:34 pm #176153

    Nandakumar
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    You may find this link to contain useful information that I recently went through while I was stuck with the same question:
    http://elsmar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=16530&page=2

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