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  • #51946

    ronda
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    How does a company get started in Six Sigma training? I currently work with a small industrial painting contractor, with a very small training budget. I am interested in the cost saving methods that I have heard so much about. One of our major clients employs Lean Sigma and has show remarkable savings. All company sizes can benefit, but how do the smaller ones accomplish this.
     

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    #181915

    Skovron
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    Ronda,
    On the left side of this site is a heading “New to Six Sigma”. It will give you information about the process…simply a disciplined approach to identifying process variation and improvement. There are books available on Amazon and just about everywhere else. One that I like is “The Lean Six Sigma Pocket Toolbook”, ISBN 0-07-144119-0.
    Hope this gets you started.

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    #181918

    ronda
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    Walt,
    Thank you for your help. One really stupid question – Can you be “self taught” on Lean and then be eligible for certification? I am really interested in this program, and as mentioned in my last post, training budgets are very limited.
    Thank you.
    Ronda

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    #181919

    GB
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    One could self-study and take an exam, ala ASQ… This, a Black Belt, does not make.   There is no centralized cert standard, or organized governing body for the methodology.
    The goal is to positively impact cost, quality and delivery…period.   All the cert does is give you a ticket to the dance.   Once inside, you have to prove yourself through experienced change agency and bottom-line impact.  
    Moral:   Forget chasing certs.   Learn the tools and applications and apply in your current atmosphere.  Learn some more…apply some more.   Cycles of learning.

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    #181920

    Observer
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    Wow! you and Obiwan must be cousins or something.

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    #181921

    Skovron
    Member

    Ronda,
    Yes,

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    #181922

    Skovron
    Member

    Ronda,
    I’ll not hit the tab button again. Yes, you can teach yourself. ASQ has certification tests that require a given number of years in an area of the “body of knowledge” and an exam.
    You may have some good contacts from which to get information from your customer that uses the SS approach. They would probably be nearly giddy to help their supplier get onboard with six sigma.

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    #181924

    GB
    Participant

    Walt,
    ASQ doesn’t require a number of years experience…They require a fee, a self-validation of project experience and a passing exam score…
    A crap process all-around.
     

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    #181927

    Skovron
    Member

    Shame on them for lying on their web site!

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    #181933

    Obiwan
    Participant

    Wow…being a cousin to HBGB B^2…nice…but…I do happen to agree with him on this posting.  It is all about making progress in improving the company…the cert can be a by-product.
    Walt…BTW…I don’t think ASQ “lied”…they have a process that will lead to becoming a certified Black Belt…it is just not as rigorous as many would like for it to be.
    Obiwan

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    #181935

    Cravens
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    Yes, Ronda, don’t think at all about yourself with this silly certification desire based on all your hard work.
    It’s all about improving the company, devoting yourself to the betterment of the company…I mean, they’ll stand by you to the bitter end, won’t they? Don’t they all?

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    #181952

    GB
    Participant

    You misunderstand.   By applying the tools and garnering wins, her stock should go up.   if she picks up an empty cert and then falls on her sword, nobody wins.
    Fred, are you posting as ezweld?

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    #181957

    GB
    Participant

    Lying?   No.   They are pretty open about it.
    You are misunderstanding what they say the “shoulds” are and what they really require for “certification”.
    Here is their own info…Anything jump out at you? (hint: it’s green)
    Six Sigma Black Belt Certification – CSSBB

    Fee: $420*

    ASQ Regular Members: $260* (Save $160—Join Now!)

    Retakes: $210* (no discounts)
    The Certified Six Sigma Black Belt is a professional who can explain Six Sigma philosophies and principles, including supporting systems and tools. A Black Belt should demonstrate team leadership, understand team dynamics and assign team member roles and responsibilities. Black Belts have a thorough understanding of all aspects of the DMAIC model in accordance with Six Sigma principles. They have basic knowledge of Lean enterprise concepts, are able to identify non-value-added elements and activities and are able to use specific tools. Review the different Six Sigma belts, levels and roles.
    1. Is this the right certification for you?Understand the minimum expectations, requirements, experience, and the exam specifics for a Six Sigma Black Belt. Note: Six Sigma Black Belt certification requires that you complete at least one Six Sigma project and submit a project affidavit. Review frequently asked questions regarding projects and the affidavit/verfication.
    2. Prepare for the exam.Review the Body of Knowledge and references. Take advantage of the study guide and sample exams. See what training and books ASQ has to offer.
    3. Choose an exam date.Find the best date and location that works for you. (Note the application deadlines for each exam date.)
    4. Apply for certification.ASQ offers several ways to apply. Have your resumé and credit card ready.
    5. Recertify.ASQ requires that you recertify as a Six Sigma Black Belt every three years—either by documenting RU credits or by testing.
    Download the Six Sigma Black Belt Certification Brochure (PDF, 176 KB)
    *$50 of your fee is an application fee, and is not refundable.

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    #181994

    Skovron
    Member

    And, my friend, if you click on your little green link you will find,
    “Six Sigma Black Belt requires two completed projects with signed affidavits or one completed project with signed affidavit and three years of work experience in one or more areas of the Six Sigma Body of Knowledge. For more information, please see the list of Six Sigma Project Affidavit FAQs.”,
    whence my comment about 3 years of experience that you found it necessary to disagree. You see, with 1 project, the 3 years comes into play.
    Also, 3 years experience is required for green belt certification, not that accurate information matters.

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    #182016

    Ropp
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    Hi Ronda,
    Just thought I’d add my tuppence worth. Without getting bogged down about the pro’s and con’s about the cert. You will need to actually “do” some improvement work. Can you do that on your own without enrolling on a course, you know the answer – yes.
    As pointed out, there is lots of info available on this site, I would also check out http://www.lean.org ( US site ) or http://www.leanuk.org ( UK site ) and register for access to their forums.
    I believe there are lots of scope for improvemnts before reaching for the six sigma tools.
    Do I have any certifications – no, I have received a fair bit of training ( internal & external), but you dont count attendance certificates. I have applied for and been successful in the last 3 employments ( over 12 years in the UK ) as a continuous improvement individual based on being able to demonstrate that I can “do” it. That is what counts.
    If I can help with specifics, just ask.
    regards
    Dave
     

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    #182024

    K K Vasekar
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    Appreciate your problem. You can just conduct One Small Work shop and instill the Quality Concept and standardise operating instructions.eg How Quality of Water ( Hard or soft) can change the texture /feel of the color by the customer who sees paint from his perception.
    Train in few tools say Pareto and go to site and collect the data next day along with people.
    Read and implement lean six sigma Deystified by Jay Arthur and keep in touch with me. Just Start with prayer if you can and it will work.Thanks.
     

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    #182236

    GB
    Participant

    Walt,
    You read it yourself…affidavits…Real rigor there…Real rigor would be a true Coaching/Mentoring model wherein a project is overseen and subjected to real rigor and scrutiny, as happens in the better companies out there.
    I had the opportunity to vet ASQ-only cert’d Candidates applying for jobs with my Company.   None met muster and 2 were “outed” for falsifying documentation…One claimed to be an alum from a Company and div i worked for…TOAST.

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