Green Belt vs. Blackbelt…Which is better?
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Marlon Brando.
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October 20, 2006 at 6:01 pm #44965
Can becoming a 6 Sigma Green Belt be compared to getting your Masters degree and a Black Belt compared to getting a PhD?If so, do you get your Green Belt certification and then go on to get your Black Belt? I’m just wondering where to start. Thanks in advance for your answers.
0October 20, 2006 at 6:04 pm #145292
HierarchiesParticipant@HierarchiesInclude @Hierarchies in your post and this person will
be notified via email.The hierarchy is:
Master Black Belt
Black Belt
Green Belt
It’s probably more like MBB=PhD; BB = Master’s; Green Belt = Bachelor’s. However, this is a somewhat awkward comparison.0October 20, 2006 at 6:13 pm #145294Do you need one to get the other? For example, do I need to have a Green Belt to get a Black Belt? A Black Belt to get a MBB?
0October 20, 2006 at 7:01 pm #145300
Irradiated MBBParticipant@Irradiated-MBBInclude @Irradiated-MBB in your post and this person will
be notified via email.It’s probably more like MBB=PhD; BB = Master’s; Green Belt = Bachelor’s. However, this is a somewhat awkward comparison.
Having been at one time or another all six of the elements cranked in your comparator I think its more than a somewhat awkward comparison, unless, of course, the MBB was leading an extended onsite cleanup project at Chernobyl a few years back then the comparison is somewhat more appropriate.0October 20, 2006 at 7:09 pm #145301
Marlon BrandoParticipant@Marlon-BrandoInclude @Marlon-Brando in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Knowledge-wise it is better to proceed from one belt to another.Certifiction-wise NO you can go directly to BB and pass the certification Exam.
0October 20, 2006 at 7:24 pm #145304
HierarchiesParticipant@HierarchiesInclude @Hierarchies in your post and this person will
be notified via email.I guess we’re sitting in the same boat then and agree that an academic career is very different from a change agent role in business. I am glad to see that there are others out there who also manage to blance a professional and an academic career.
0October 20, 2006 at 7:40 pm #145306
Marlon BrandoParticipant@Marlon-BrandoInclude @Marlon-Brando in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Agree
But I believe Change Agents(I’m one of them) would like your classification,academics would hate that as they value only their certifcates,believing to be unique in both positions .Some of them are spoiling the business through “bad ” practices.my opinion/0October 20, 2006 at 7:50 pm #145308
HierarchiesParticipant@HierarchiesInclude @Hierarchies in your post and this person will
be notified via email.I never thought that we’d ever agree on anything. But then Schumer and Buchanan agreed on something for the first time in 25 years, yesterday! And yes, there are a few academics who create worst practices (not all, but some).
0October 20, 2006 at 7:52 pm #145310
Marlon BrandoParticipant@Marlon-BrandoInclude @Marlon-Brando in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Then We Agree (for the second time)?
0October 20, 2006 at 8:21 pm #145311
Irradiated MBBParticipant@Irradiated-MBBInclude @Irradiated-MBB in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Thanks for presupposing balance a claim Id be hard-pressed to make.
And it seems the boats getting increasingly crowded, what with tenure tracks or the absence of them being what they are, coupled with routinely higher pay in industry and a yearning to practice the analytics we preach.
But on a positive note its nice to be able to wander back and forth and forth and back betwixt the two.0October 20, 2006 at 8:25 pm #145312
Irradiated MBBParticipant@Irradiated-MBBInclude @Irradiated-MBB in your post and this person will
be notified via email.No. I hate to get picky, but you agreed twice about a single concept. That only counts as one agreement. Ever see Groundhog Day?
0October 20, 2006 at 9:57 pm #145313
Almost a Black BeltParticipant@Almost-a-Black-BeltInclude @Almost-a-Black-Belt in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Do you really need a degree to be a great Black Belt? I have some college and am seriously passionate about Six Sigma. I’ve been a Green Belt for a few years and now mentor other Green and Black Belts as well as do projects. My goal is to one day be a MBB trainer.
0October 20, 2006 at 10:14 pm #145314
Irradiated MBBParticipant@Irradiated-MBBInclude @Irradiated-MBB in your post and this person will
be notified via email.No. You do not need a degree to be a BB or MBB. Don’t ever let anyone tell you otherwise. I know some fellow Docs who are “BB’s” and “MBB’s” and they couldn’t pour smelly stuff out of a boot.
And I know some BB’s and MBB’s who do not have a degree and are great at what they do. They have passion, leadership, analytics, understand driving projects to closure and getting the most out of teams and individuals – so, No it’s not necessary to have a college degree to do very well with Six Sigma..
However, if there is a benefit in having one the studies should have helped develop an analytical mode of thought, broadened exposure, and given some additional depth of knowledge – so I would not poopaw getting as much education as possible, but then again look at Bill Gates, Michael Dell, and millions of other extremely successful people who did quite well without formal schooling completion.
I hope your goals far exceed being a MBB trainer, although it seems to have worked well for that Deming tutored oddly homophobic thong wearing SoBe Corvette driving Dr. Darth guy with all of his Lean Sigma Stuff so who knows anyway?
0October 20, 2006 at 11:24 pm #145324
Orang_UtanParticipant@Orang_UtanInclude @Orang_Utan in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Agree. Some people are very weak in basic statistics, it is better to learn from the basic first. Six Sigma is unlike stupid ISO9000, you need some brain powers to learn the subject.
A black belt “trained” by George Group Australia came in to my green belt class to re-learn all basics. I do not mean Geoege Group’s trainer is poor, but simply put everyone in BB class is not always a correct decision.0October 20, 2006 at 11:37 pm #145325
Orang_UtanParticipant@Orang_UtanInclude @Orang_Utan in your post and this person will
be notified via email.You are comparing an apple and an orange. Academic and industrial life is different.
0October 21, 2006 at 1:02 am #145327Yes, it is true.
Another figuration is compare primary school student with sorfomore.
good luck,
Simon W0October 21, 2006 at 2:55 am #145335
Almost a Black BeltParticipant@Almost-a-Black-BeltInclude @Almost-a-Black-Belt in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Thank you for your reply. I read and learn a lot from the individuals on this site. I am challenged to go to the reference material and better understand the concepts that are debated within this forum.
0October 21, 2006 at 3:12 am #145337You have got to be kidding … and I think you are ;-)
Try
GB = pre-school
BB = kindergarten0October 21, 2006 at 3:17 am #145338
Almost a Black BeltParticipant@Almost-a-Black-BeltInclude @Almost-a-Black-Belt in your post and this person will
be notified via email.If thats the case you’d be able to retire by junior high at what an MBB makes a year
0October 21, 2006 at 3:24 am #145340If they did it would do a lot for quality.
0October 21, 2006 at 7:25 am #145347
Marlon BrandoParticipant@Marlon-BrandoInclude @Marlon-Brando in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Agree.What about VillanovaU.?
0October 21, 2006 at 7:28 am #145348
Marlon BrandoParticipant@Marlon-BrandoInclude @Marlon-Brando in your post and this person will
be notified via email.To make you Happy:I would add a third “Agree”/
0October 21, 2006 at 7:37 am #145351
Marlon BrandoParticipant@Marlon-BrandoInclude @Marlon-Brando in your post and this person will
be notified via email.I believe Yes
0October 21, 2006 at 5:49 pm #145378
Irritated MBBParticipant@Irritated-MBBInclude @Irritated-MBB in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Marlon, how insightful. Thank you, I am much happier now. No further agreements are necessary I am quite pleased now and shant need to respond to you again. Yes, I’m quite pleased. Very happy. The third agree did the trick.
0October 23, 2006 at 5:23 pm #145516
Marlon BrandoParticipant@Marlon-BrandoInclude @Marlon-Brando in your post and this person will
be notified via email.I would say most of them
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