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    CB
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    Can becoming a 6 Sigma Green Belt be compared to getting your Masters degree and a Black Belt compared to getting a PhD?If so, do you get your Green Belt certification and then go on to get your Black Belt? I’m just wondering where to start. Thanks in advance for your answers.

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    #145292

    Hierarchies
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    The hierarchy is:
    Master Black Belt
    Black Belt
    Green Belt
    It’s probably more like MBB=PhD; BB = Master’s; Green Belt = Bachelor’s. However, this is a somewhat awkward comparison.

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    #145294

    CB
    Participant

    Do you need one to get the other? For example, do I need to have a Green Belt to get a Black Belt? A Black Belt to get a MBB?

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    #145300

    Irradiated MBB
    Participant

    It’s probably more like MBB=PhD; BB = Master’s; Green Belt = Bachelor’s. However, this is a somewhat awkward comparison.
    Having been at one time or another all six of the elements cranked in your comparator – I think it’s more than a somewhat awkward comparison, unless, of course, the MBB was leading an extended onsite cleanup project at Chernobyl a few years back – then the comparison is somewhat more appropriate.

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    #145301

    Marlon Brando
    Participant

    Knowledge-wise it  is  better to  proceed from  one  belt  to  another.Certifiction-wise NO you can  go  directly to  BB and  pass  the  certification  Exam.

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    #145304

    Hierarchies
    Participant

    I guess we’re sitting in the same boat then and agree that an academic career is very different from a change agent role in business. I am glad to see that there are others out there who also manage to blance a professional and an academic career.

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    #145306

    Marlon Brando
    Participant

    Agree
    But  I  believe Change  Agents(I’m  one  of  them)  would  like  your  classification,academics would  hate that as  they  value  only  their certifcates,believing to  be  unique in  both  positions .Some  of  them  are  spoiling  the  business through “bad ” practices.my  opinion/

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    #145308

    Hierarchies
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    I never thought that we’d ever agree on anything. But then Schumer and Buchanan agreed on something for the first time in 25 years, yesterday! And yes, there are a few academics who create worst practices (not all, but some).

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    #145310

    Marlon Brando
    Participant

    Then  We  Agree (for  the  second  time)?

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    #145311

    Irradiated MBB
    Participant

    Thanks for presupposing balance – a claim I’d be hard-pressed to make.    
     
    And it seems the boat’s getting increasingly crowded, what with tenure tracks or the absence of them being what they are, coupled with routinely higher pay in industry and a yearning to practice the analytics we preach.  
     
    But on a positive note it’s nice to be able to wander back and forth and forth and back betwixt the two.  

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    #145312

    Irradiated MBB
    Participant

    No.  I hate to get picky, but you agreed twice about a single concept.  That only counts as one agreement.   Ever see Groundhog Day?    

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    #145313

    Almost a Black Belt
    Participant

    Do you really need a degree to be a great Black Belt?  I have some college and am seriously passionate about Six Sigma.  I’ve been a Green Belt for a few years and now mentor other Green and Black Belts as well as do projects.  My goal is to one day be a MBB trainer.

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    #145314

    Irradiated MBB
    Participant

    No. You do not need a degree to be a BB or MBB.  Don’t ever let anyone tell you otherwise.   I know some fellow Docs who are “BB’s” and “MBB’s” and they couldn’t pour smelly stuff out of a boot.  
    And I know some BB’s and MBB’s who do not have a degree and are great at what they do.  They have passion, leadership, analytics, understand driving projects to closure and getting the most out of teams and individuals – so, No it’s not necessary to have a college degree to do very well with Six Sigma..
    However, if there is a benefit in having one the studies should have helped develop an analytical mode of thought, broadened exposure, and given some additional depth of knowledge – so I would not poopaw getting as much education as possible, but then again look at Bill Gates, Michael Dell, and millions of other extremely successful people who did quite well without formal schooling completion. 
    I hope your goals far exceed being a MBB trainer, although it seems to have worked well for that Deming tutored oddly homophobic thong wearing SoBe Corvette driving Dr. Darth guy with all of his Lean Sigma Stuff – so who knows anyway?
     

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    #145324

    Orang_Utan
    Participant

    Agree. Some people are very weak in basic statistics, it is better to learn from the basic first. Six Sigma is unlike stupid ISO9000, you need some brain powers to learn the subject.
    A black belt “trained” by George Group Australia came in to my green belt class to re-learn all basics. I do not mean Geoege Group’s trainer is poor, but simply put everyone in BB class is not always a correct decision. 

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    #145325

    Orang_Utan
    Participant

    You are comparing an apple and an orange. Academic and industrial  life is different.

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    #145327

    Simon W
    Member

    Yes, it is true.
    Another figuration is compare primary school student with sorfomore.
    good luck,
    Simon W

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    #145335

    Almost a Black Belt
    Participant

    Thank you for your reply.  I read and learn a lot from the individuals on this site.  I am challenged to go to the reference material and better understand the concepts that are debated within this forum. 

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    #145337

    mand
    Member

    You have got to be kidding … and I think you are ;-)
    Try 
    GB = pre-school
    BB = kindergarten 

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    #145338

    Almost a Black Belt
    Participant

    If thats the case you’d be able to retire by junior high at what an MBB makes a year

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    #145340

    mand
    Member

    If they did it would do a lot for quality.

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    #145347

    Marlon Brando
    Participant

    Agree.What about  VillanovaU.?

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    #145348

    Marlon Brando
    Participant

    To  make  you  Happy:I  would  add  a  third “Agree”/

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    #145351

    Marlon Brando
    Participant

    I  believe  Yes

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    #145378

    Irritated MBB
    Participant

    Marlon, how insightful.   Thank you, I am much happier now.    No further agreements are necessary – I am quite pleased now and shan’t need to respond to you again.   Yes, I’m quite pleased.   Very happy.   The third agree did the trick.  

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    #145516

    Marlon Brando
    Participant

    I  would  say  most  of  them

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