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    samyukta
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    I am a fresh graduate, earned my Master’s in mechanical engineering. I did my Master’s project by applying six sigma methodology to the admissions office at Old Dominion University. It was a realtime project and the university started seeing the advantages of six sigma application. But since it was part of my Masters degree, I didnt get any certification. Now when I am applying for jobs, everyone is asking for some sort of certification. Some of my friends suggested me to go for online training and get the greenbelt certification.
    My question is: Does the companies recognize such greenbelt certification that I earn through online training and without doing any realtime project? Is it worth spending so much of amount on this online training?
    Any related reply would be appreciated.
    Thanks!

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    #166976

    lin
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    Samyukta,
    Why pay for training if you already understand the methodology?   You could become GB certified through ASQ – though you might need to find a good Lean Six Sigma text and brush up.  Good luck!

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    #166991

    Ron
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    As a hiring manager in the Lean and Six Sigma field I do not consider an online certification asa valid form of certification.
    Two reasons: Hands on application of the tools is usually not earned in an online situation, 2) Project work can be made to look impressive in presentations when in fact nothing was accomplished.
    If you presented to me a resume with an online certification I would discount it.

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    #166997

    samyukta
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    Thanks Bill for your advice.

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    #166998

    samyukta
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    Ron
    Thanks for your advice. You clarified my confusion. Can you please advice me on one more thing – In my last post I mentioned my situation that I am a fresh graduate and most of them are not considering me just because I am not having any certification, can you help me suggesting what I should do now. Your advice would be really helpful.
    Regards
    Samyukta.

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    #167001

    nedezero
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    Interesting.
    I got my certification prior to ASQ offering a test. 
    I wonder how many qualuified applicants you discounted.
     

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    #167005

    Brandon
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    Nedezero – you are probably right about qualified candidates being rejected. Since there is no standard for certification in the SS field it would be patently wrong to give credit to one form of certification over another. That is a major Measurement System Error.
    When we hired trainers, at one of the premier SS training firms, we paid little attention to the source of their SS education. We conducted our own comprehensive technical and presentation skills assessment and made decisions based on those results.
    Lacking an industry standard, a baseline, one must develop their own.

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    #167008

    Fake ATI Alert
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    Don’t  agree:
    A virtual  project can  teach  the tools (specially  the  advance  tools)
    much  better  than  a (silly) practical  project,considering  that  you  have  a  real  mentor (instructor with practical  experience).
    Just  my  opinion    

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    #167012

    melvin
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    Samyukta,
    In your particular case, your profile is a much better match to larger companies that already have some sort of SS culture and infra-structure, than to ones where they are searching for a resident expert that can immediately train/mentor others.  When I was an MBB with GE and Black & Decker, we hired BBs more on evidence of being able to lead and complete DMAIC projects for results, using the tools, more than if they held prior certifications, because we were going to re-train you our way anyway.  Use your project as a means to convey your skills and focus your job search on companies who have the ability to dig into the SS details themselves instead of relying on external cerification bodies.

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    #167017

    Zoltan
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    Sounds like you make have been certified by Villanova using a pretend project.  True?  Pretend projects may be nice for learning, but there is no substitute for the complexity and people issues of the real world.

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    #167019

    SiggySig
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    ASQ is about the closest thing out there to a benchmark in terms of knowing the body of knowledge.You can’t get ASQ certification for Green or Black belt by simply passing the exam. Both certs require relevant experience.I have to agree about pretend projects. Knowing the tools is important, but not nearly as important (to me)as being able to handle the change management issues involved in successful LSS projects. You can’t learn that except by doing it. I wouldn’t discount a BB with online training cert (I got my BB cert through BMG) but they have to be able to show me that they have achieved real results on real business problems.

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    #167022

    Brandon
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    Siggy, I agree wholeheartedly. Knowledge is knowledge. Whether you obtain it through sitting in a classroom, online, reading a book et al.
    Think of our college education experience – all text book learning – we had no application experience. However, we received a degree, got a job and THEN learned how both our gained knowledge worked and how the world worked.
    So, the capabilities of SS, tools, methodologies, etc., can be learned in a number of ways. The ability to apply them effectively depends on experience and our ability to adapt that experience to capability.
    Therefore, I would like to see SS certification be centralized to an agreed upon body with whatever criteria we (whoever that is) agree upon; then we have a std. to work from. Capability would then have to be assessed in a manner similar to however we assess anyone’s capabilities in the variety of skills & knowledge we seek for a position with our firm. That assessment, barring some great breakthrough, will remain subjective.

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    #167023

    Deanb
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    There seems to be a market for “BB-In Training” pending the experience. ASQ has the CQE-In Training, so why doesn’t ASQ offer this in the BB and/or GB? Any form of education that commingles education with experience constrains its market potential. Just thinking out of the box.

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    #167024

    Deanb
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    It also makes sense to focus on the training first, and then after completion-focus on the experience component in real life circumstances. This would eliminate the hoaky projects students are forced to invent to complete the education.

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