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    Stephenson
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    I have recently graduated from college and have since been working in management consulting for two years. However, I am very passionate about quality and the six sigma methodology and would like to become a Six Sigma practioner. How can I do this?
    I am currently pursuing the ASQ SSBB certification and have almost completed Villanova’s Black Belt program. However, I need project experience to sit the ASQ exam, so how should I go about getting this experience?
    Would you recommend working for a consulting company offering Six Sigma and Lean, or should I just try to get on a project irrespective of industry or company?

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    #138906

    Mike Carnell
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    KhalilS,
    This is an amazing story. Directly from college you began to consult. How can you do that? You don’t know anything more than what someone has written in a book or published on the internet.
    Now you want to do a project – not because you want the experience but you want to be able to sit for a test and become a certified BB. There are literally thousands of people out there who had experience in their industry and became certified. They brought something to the party that was more than education.
    You need to get a job where you have to understand the company culture and the dynamics of the people you are working with. You will never understand what a project is until you have responsibility to effect change. This idea of sitting around as a spectator with a remote control doing a project is nonsense.
    Just my opinion.

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    #138913

    Darth
    Participant

    Mike, go easy on the young guy. He has initiative and desire. Plus if he is a competing SS consultant he will grab up all the bottom feeders looking for cheap prices and then make the old pros look good by doing a crappy job because he lacks any true understanding and experience. So, encourage him instead.

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    #138916

    Stephenson
    Participant

    Hi Mike,
    There is actually a global managment consulting industry which includes firms such and Mckinsey, Boston Consulting Group, Bain, etc. These firms hire college graduates as business analysts, who then specialize by service area (Strategy, Operations, Human Capital, IT) and industry.
    I am currently a business analyst whose service area is Operations, so i’m learning tools and techniques as to how toimprove operational efficiency, cut costs, increase customer service, etc. My dilemma however is that I am very passionate about quality and its methods (six sigma, lean, etc) but I am currently working in an environment that doesn’t emphasize the use of the quality tools-I’m in an emerging market.
    I just want to develop a skill set in six sigma and am not currently working in an envrionment where I am able to gain experience using these methods. My understanding is that certification would be a good way to start, so I’m trying to get the necessary experience.

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    #138918

    Darth
    Participant

    Khalil,
    Good response and I wish you good luck.

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    #138919

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Khalil,
    This makes no sense: “…..so i’m learning tools and techniques as to how toimprove operational efficiency, cut costs, increase customer service, etc. My dilemma however is that I am very passionate about quality and its methods (six sigma, lean, etc) but I am currently working in an environment that doesn’t emphasize the use of the quality tools-I’m in an emerging market.” You are working in an area that is exactly what Six Sigma does and you can’t figure out how to get experience because it isn’t emphasized and is emerging. If you go through life asking permission to do things constantly you won’t get anything done. You said you had already been trained. Use what you already know. You do not have to stand on your desk and declare to the world you are doing Six Sigma.
    At the end of the day regardless of what big firm name you drop the name of, you bring exuberance, book learning and an extra pair of hands. That is not consulting.
    Just my opinion.
    Good luck

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    #138921

    Darth
    Participant

    Mike, u must have a heck of a hangover from last night :-).

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    #138922

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Darth,
    Oops.
    How many of these guys do you meet every week in some flying club? They tell you they are a consultant because you would never ask basically because you don’t give a s__t you just want to get home. They bable incessantly using every buzz word in the book and if you poke around what they know, they are shallow as spit.
    The worst part is they believe they are adding value. Sooner or later they get promoted inside the consultancy and now they know they know something and they have still never had to run a factory or a hospital or a bank or whatever and actually been held accountable for the people and the business. They will probably never experience high blood presure.
    I think you were right lets encourage them (in writing). Thank god for iPod (buy 2 so you have one that works while Apple takes 3 weeks to repair the broken one) so we can put the ear plugs in while they talk.
    Regards

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    #138923

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Darth,
    Actually I just woke up from a nap because one of my guys likes to book flights that arrive at 7am so I have to get up at 4:30. It is this waking up process that I have never been able to figure out.
    Last night was my first taste of a Martini. Not bad but as long as there is rum in the world I see no reason to switch.
    Regards

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    #138929

    Stephenson
    Participant

    Thanks Mike, just read over your initial post……where would you suggest that I go to develop SS experience?
    I’ve been trying to say that I currently work for a business advisory firm in a developing country, and have not been gaining experience in applying tools that can allow me to improve inefficient processes.
    Most job postings I have seen are for experienced SS practitioners, so where would a typical green belt level person look for experience?

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    #138931

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    KhalilS,
    If you are in the middle of improving a business (reducing inefficiency) what is stopping you from using what you know on what you are doing? Your current role cannot use process maps, Pareto Charts, histograms, etc? Assume you don’t ask permission to use them and you just do it – what are they going to do?
    FYI – this stuff works in developing countries.

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    #138933

    Big Al’s Steakhouse
    Participant

    Ego maniac. 

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    #138937

    Charles Hannabarger
    Participant

    Steakhouse,
    I have never corresponded with a restaurant building before, so please, indulge me if don’t don’t quite know how to go about it, but here goes.  Hope I get it right.  They do seem a little persnikity, but it could just be me.
    In the interest of expanding knowledge and the application of “the tools,” and since you appear to have a special interest in Mike’s postings and contributions to the forum, I was wondering if you would be willing to do an enumerative study on Mike’s posting history.  It would be a simple binary pass / fail: pass = posts in which you feel he contributes to the forum; fail = posts in which you do not feel he contributes.  You could then post your findings and analysis for discussion.  I sense an interesting attribute MSA lurking in the background . . . 
    Geez, I hate this . . .  Now I will wonder if the Texas Roadhouse is going to call me names everytime I eat there.  Dilemmas never cease!
    Just a thought,
    Charles

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    #138956

    Six Shooter Sigma
    Member

    Oh my goodness – it just hit me like a bunch of Longhorn Steers on a stampede! 
    It was back apiece, something like three times back to tell you true, while eating at the Roadhouse, the lovely and demure Lady Six Shooter Sigma and I were seated in the Willie Nelson Corner (now, that’s a thrill, I don’t care who you are!).  The sun was just going down on a lovely Texas day – birds were chirping and the June Bugs were just a chirping away, when I could swear that I heard Willie, in a soft, sublte, barely audible voice, singing a lovely little song, just for me and my bride of 33 years. It was to the tune of “You Were Always on My Mind.” Being just past our anniversary, I thought, “How sweet of Willie to sing us this song . . .” But, as I listened with heart swelling with love for this true gem of life seated across from me, I heard the song actually going something like “You will always be undermined . . .”  I put it off to an unusualy nasty client that I was dealing with at the time, and of course the rare beef that I was eating was suspect, but Big Al’s Steakhouse has me wondering now.  Could this be an anti-Six Sigma conspiracy by steakhouse restaurants?  Maybe they have a beef with us over something.  They probably just think Six Sigma is a bunch of bull.  And don’t EVEN try to talk to them about Lean – they are very sensitive to the subject for some reason that I just can’t figure out.  They really react to it in a visceral way.  One guy I know got gored by a longhorn when he mentioned they needed to become more “lean,” so be careful out there.
    Six Shooter

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    #138957

    Six Shooter Sigma
    Member

    Oh – for those worried about the friend who got gored . .  He survived, after some extensive reconstructive surgery.  It’s amazing what they can do these days.  We hope he can one day have a full and prodcutive life. 
    As for the longhorn, he got off with a stiff warning when they learned he used to play on the defensive line for UT Austin.  He was subsequently made to file down the tips of his horns after another gruesome incident after a UT loss to Oklahoma.   Third strike, they pull the horns.  I hear he is now working at Wendy’s or something.

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    #138958

    Big Al’s Steakhouse
    Participant

    Dear Chucky Cheese – when you say contribution, I assume you don’t equate that to Mr Carnell’s blabber with Darth Vader where they “me too” one another to death on this forum? 

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    #138964

    Six Shooter Sigma
    Member

    Steakhouse,
    It’s your call, your study – I see nothing to beef about – and in this case, you are in the enviable position of being the ultimate final inspector, the customer.  As long as in your conclusions you state the assumptions, criteria and stipulations used in your analysis so that we can better understand the applications and methods used, you will be fine. 
    With regard to the attribute MSA study, you will need to get an impartial and very good inspector to set the “true state,” or you could choose to conduct a forum sample survey on a post by post basis and let majority of the sample rule.  Again, your call.  If you need any help in identifying the population so you can determine your sample size, please let us know.
    I want to thank you for taking on this study in the interest of contributing and enhancing the knowledge and learning on the forum.  That is the one thing I really like about it: we can all come together to share our experiences and knowledge, and make a few friends along the way.
    I would like to find out where the Steakhouse is located so we can all stop by and say howdy, shoot the bull and share a few tails . . . er, tales, if you get my point.  If you don’t want to tell us the location, rest assured, I understand and will not bully you into cowtowing.  I don’t want to put you in the position of being on the horns of a dilemma.  I know that I, for one, would like to tan the hides of those that do it to me, so I will never do so to others.  However, when they do, I just pull out my old Captain Beefheart albums and I again realize the prime issues in life can be better understood by having a few Brahma Chops beers (from Brazil) and grilling massive steaks on the barby.  Life is good!
    Good luck and please, keep us posted on your progress. 
    Charles

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    #138969

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Al,
    I see you took the advice and added the ‘. How about backing off Chuck and if you have an issue make it with me. First if you will notice Darth and I did not agree. Second you have not made any kind of point through this whole thing except making som nonsensical comments and then you refer to blather. At this point this is the sum total of your post.
    Exactl what point have you made that has provided anything good or bad for the original post “How do I become a Six Sigma Practitioner?”

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    #138973

    Heebeegeebee BB
    Participant

    Big Al,
    You seem on edge today…Did you take your

    Today?

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    #138974

    Lance Miboyle
    Participant

    Mike,
    You go girl!  Al didn’t mention automation or learning about automation or hiring a consultant to implement automation even once in any of his posts.

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    #138978

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Lance,
    Amazing how much you and Al sound alike. Who’d have guessed.
    Still can’t add anything of value I see.

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    #138980

    Lance Miboyle
    Participant

    Okay, it’s true;  Big Al and I have never been seen together in the same room at the same time.  But…Big Al is clearly a Texan steak man and I’m a strict vegetarian, thank you very much.
    But…WAIT…..come to think of it…….all the same can be said of G.W. and Osama ………could it be?  How did I never notice this before?!!  It suddenly all fits!!
    Come to think of it, I’m pretty sure I’ve never seen you and JoeBB in the same room at the same time, either.  ………….interesting………… got yourself a little dual personality thing going there, eh?  (actually, you should really probably concentrate on developing just one personality before taking on more than you can do). 

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    #138981

    Big Al’s Steakhouse
    Participant

    Yes, Mike, your witty banter about catching a connecting flight in Heathrow, or your ipod breaking down or what type of liquor you favor is certainly “value added”. 
    As they say in Texan – Just my opinion, good luck!
     
    Yee ha – eat em rare
     
    –  Al

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    #139008

    Hulk Hogan
    Participant

    Say your prayers and eat your vitamins.

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    #139021

    Brit
    Participant

    Heebee:
    Completely off-topic.  I’ve had a hard time inserting pics into the posts. Any trick to it, or am I just missing something.  For some reason the ol cut and paste doesn’t work for me.
    Thanks

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    #139063

    Heebeegeebee BB
    Participant

    Go to google images find your pic and right click/copy the thumbnail (not the actual full size pic) and paste.
    There are other ways, but this is the easiest.

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    #139065

    Stevo
    Member

    No No No!!!!
    Please don’t feed the animals.
    Now we get to look forward to more pictures of a potato(e) in a star wars costume.
    Stevo

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    #139067

    Quentin
    Participant

    Nasty man.

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    #139071

    Heebeegeebee BB
    Participant

    WOW…

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    #139075

    Darth
    Participant

    Stevo,
    Personally speaking, that would be the highlight of this thread.

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    #139077

    Darth
    Participant

    A suggestion…when Googling an image, select the medium or large size pics not all otherwise you get this tiny picture which you can’t see and has little impact.

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    #139078

    CincyLean
    Participant

    Khalil,
    Definitely do NOT let the negative responses of *some* folks throw you off.  From my experience, the folks that lack that ability to guide & mentor…very likely are lacking in their career as well. (You know who you are if you replied to Khalil in a negative manner).
    Being a change agent & driving quality requires both years of experience as well as ‘new blood’.  It’s the combination of new and old that generates interesting conversation & creative solutions.  I have a great deal of respect for consulting firms as they offer a out-of-box approach & thinking to sometimes difficult business issues that the ‘quality experts’ often overlook as they look to hard for the Six Sigma answer..while a more practical, simple answer sits right under their nose. 
    Suggestion…through your consulting contacts, find formal/informal mentors both inside and outside your current company that can help align you with an company that you have a bit of industry knowledge in…and ‘Yes’, definitely make the move to a non-consulting company at some point so you can ‘feel their pain’ hands-on.

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    #139127

    Heebeegeebee BB
    Participant

    I can see it fine…maybe your old-a$$ needs new glasses?
    (just kidding! – thanks for the tip)
    >8-)

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    #139138

    Inside GE
    Participant

    KhalilS, assumptions are a funny. I assumed you went into consulting after having obtained a gradudate degree after having be in the workforce. I didn’t realize Mike knew you.At GE, Six Sigma has black eye. Gary Reiner himself realizes GE Six Sigma benefits were hugely inflated by his “Certified” BBs and MBBs. Its to the point where Gary wants to get rid of “certification”.
    There were / are tons of certified GE BBs and MBBs, with experience, that BSed (lied) their way projects.
    There are also a bunch of BBs and MBBs that came out of school with no experience who delivered real results.
    Here is the deal, at GE certification isn’t what it once was and I imagine it won’t be long before many other companies follow GEs lead.

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    #139145

    BTDT
    Participant

    Inside GE:Wow, that bites! It confirms what I hear on the grapevine. It is sad to see the eventual result of the lack of rigor that began to show itself a few year back.Cheers, BTDT

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    #139146

    Inside GE
    Participant

    In the heyday’s the Six Sigma program was great. But when everyone needed to be certified to get promoted the program crashed.
    Managers, MBBs, and BBs focused on cranking out certs, resulting on bogus projects and results. Everyone knew what was happening (BS projects and results). From that point on, all Six Sigma practitioners lost their credibility / integrity.
    We are trying to recover from this.

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    #139200

    BTDT
    Participant

    Inside GE:Shoot me an email at 6SigmaGuru(at)gmail(dot)com. I’m going to Crotonville next month.Cheers, BTDT

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    #139215

    Big Al is back
    Participant

    for what class?  BELS?

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    #139216

    BTDT
    Participant

    Big Al:ECLPCheers, BTDT

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    #150276

    josue
    Participant

    that’s funny, you’re just jealous that people can do the same stuff in like 2 yrs that took you soo long to do. I just finished college, and cooped with Microsoft as a high school senior intern in their internal consulting dept and in the process of doing so became a six sigma green belt, since i lacked the experience to become a black belt. I then went on in college and did 3 summer internships with BCG. After college i was offered a job as a sr. consultant at BCG, and i’m am still with them 3 years later, i’m now the youngest manager ever in the company. So please, don’t discourage others from actually wanting to achieve something, because i’m living proof that it is possible.

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    #150277

    Mikel
    Member

    Hey genius, you are responding to a post that is seven months old.
    And yes, I really believe that the youngest manager at Boston Consulting Group wrote this.
    What BS

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    #150283

    Marlon Brando
    Participant

    Congratulation

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    #150285

    Marlon Brando
    Participant

    Mike
    This  the  best  advice I  have  ever  heard.Thanks  for  the  enlightenment.best  regards

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