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  • #39468

    Neal Bouwmeester
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    As part of a business case for Six Sigma training within my organization, my senior management posed the question as to how many certified black belts there were in Canada (or North America).  The question comes from thier request to understand the saturation of Six Sigma at the individual level…..does anyone know?…or know where I can find out?
     
     
    thanks

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    #120083

    Mikel
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    I believe there are 16,489.45.
     

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    #120084

    Issa
    Participant

    What’s the purpose of knowing how many black belts there are?
    What does it help you with?
    Stan, I like the ” .45″

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    #120088

    DW
    Participant

    valid question, have you checked out ASQ’s site?

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    #120089

    Ken Feldman
    Participant

    Stupid question with an answer that is unknown and unknowable.  There is no central registry of SS belts.  Different companies use different titles for similar responsibilities as a BB.  People call themselves a BB without any formalized certification.  There is no official licensing body.  Many BBs serve in that capacity for a year or two before returning to a line of business position.  Should they still be counted.  Sorry, there is no valid answer to this question.

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    #120090

    Issa
    Participant

    This is not a valid question and the ASQ site will not give you the answer to your question because they only know how many Black Belts they have certified. There are as many certifying boards as there are consulting firms and many companies certify their employees. So disregard the previous posting, its author does not even know how to start a project.

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    #120091

    Dayton
    Member

    Neal,
     
    I’m one. 
     
    I hope that gets your survey started off on the right track – it’s also my impression that several of the more routine forum posters are also.   But they’ll have to confirm that for you. 
     
    Good luck and please post the results of your intriguing survey once completed.  Thanks. 
     Vinny

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    #120093

    Mikel
    Member

    I am also a Grand Pubah Senior Master Black Belt. (self taught and certified of course)

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    #120098

    Ken Feldman
    Participant

    Stan, nobody cares about your Holiday Inn Express MBB.  Neal is doing a survey on BBs.  Neal, count me in for 200.  That’s the number of BBs in the first wave at my current client.

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    #120099

    Dayton
    Member

    Cool. That’s two.
     
    This is really picking up speed.   Shouldn’t take long now.   
     
    I may be proven wrong but I’m betting that there’s a bunch or maybe even a slew of us – maybe not GPS-MBB’s but trained anyway.   
     
    GPS-MBB’s are highly directional and never lose true (SS Program) North. It also puts a great spin on process mapping.  Certainly something to aspire to…
     Vinny

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    #120102

    Mikel
    Member

    I hear that the GPS-MBB is the finest available.

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    #120114

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Neal Bouwmeester,
    Try checking with Dr Alastair Muir at Muir and Associates over in Calgary.
    Good luck.

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    #120115

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Vinny,
    I am a .5 – Wallaceburg, Ontario.
    Regards

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    #120117

    Kulkarni
    Participant

    I am one. I know about 250 of them at GE India. Dont think that you wanted India numbers anyway. I know about 50 in GE USA. Obviously there are many more.An easier way to estimate might be to say”For each company that uses Six Sigma there is 1 BB for xxx number of employees”A good xxx number is probably around 50 or so. My own x value was 300+, but I figure the average will be much lower.Cheers

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    #120119

    Dayton
    Member

    That’s what I hear but I’m basing a lot of that on my new Garmin StreetPilot 2620 In-Car GPS Navigator with Color Touchscreen – which I really like.   
     
    So I figure it just stands to reason that a GPS-MBB would be a real path finder and leader and the finest available.
     Vinny

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    #120121

    Plastic
    Participant

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    Plastic

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    #120122

    Savage
    Participant

    the better question is “how many functional black belts are there”.  Its probably a lot easier to make up a number for that.  My experience so far has been that for about every 50 people that claim black belt status two really are black belts; 10-15 are green belts, the remainders are false prophets that hide behind ZigZag 1.5 thin certifications.  I actually refer to these people as “zigzags” in my circle.
    I for one am comfortable admitting that i’m not a black belt (YET!) even though i seem to have a better understanding than most of our black belts. 
    good luck with this task.
    Matt

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    #120123

    Mikel
    Member

    Vinny,
    I remain in awe of your powers of observation.
    Long live dead mathematicians.

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    #120125

    Mikel
    Member

    You have to admit that the 1.5’s are easier to roll with and therefore make these folks more interesting to invite to a celebration.

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    #120128

    Dayton
    Member

      You were looking for functional BB’s.  I was afraid that someone would eventually get to that qualifier.    I suppose as a dysfunctional Black Belt I’ll have to remove myself from the count.    But fortunately that still leaves the 3 billion functional Lean Sigma BB’s that Darth’s trained and certified this week, which after the VAM (value added multiplier) is factored in, again, fortunately, still leaves us at two…   Vinny

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    #120131

    Ken Feldman
    Participant

    Stan, love the inside joke about Grand Pubah Senior MBB.  GPSMBB is certainly a worthy title for one as abstruse as yourself.  I always wondered where the title came from.

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    #120135

    Neal Bouwmeester
    Participant

    Per my thread…its a question from my senior management as part of an understanding of ‘market saturation’ of Six Sigma training and its effectiveness.  While I don’t expect this to be accurate, if I can glean a view of how many functional black belts there are in Canada (or North America), combined with effective case studies, it will further my cause.  BTW….I don’t beleive that knowing this number is paramount in my argument…..the value is in the solution, but its a question nonetheless.
     
    thx

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    #120137

    Xavier
    Member

    Stan,
    I find your answer rude, you have no business putting down someones question. I was compelled to write this cause I noticed that you really havent answered question in the last few posts that I have seen, just seem to be quipping about someone elses poll.Neal, Hope someone here is able to help you.bye

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    #120138

    Neal Bouwmeester
    Participant

    Wallaceburg…thats funny…I grew up in Wallaceburg

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    #120139

    Neal Bouwmeester
    Participant

    Thanks for the input (for the most part)…I am begining to understand how difficult a question this acutally was.  I didn’t really know how lax certification was (functional vs. non-functional)….which I find very funny as a complete, 100% Six Sigma un-educated heathen, that a quality body has no quality standard for its own certification!
    I am intrigued by the formula of # of BB x # of companies engaging Six Sigma…maybe thats a better angle of attack for my question?
    thanks again
    NB

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    #120141

    Kulkarni
    Participant

    I am glad that you may find the whole ‘xxx’ way of calculating of some use.
    Cheers
    w w w.t r e q n a.c o m – An Open Six Sigma Standard

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    #120142

    Dayton
    Member

    Perhaps you could come at the concerns from a different point of view.  Have you thought about performing a search to identify mentions of Six Sigma in corporate annual reports?   I did that sometime back and noted the corporations, their market segment span, approximate timeframe of Six Sigma program initiation, savings attributed to the Six Sigma program, and specific program statements attributed to C-level representatives.   It helped make for a persuasive argument to counter the uninformed angst of a few well-placed detractors. 
     
    There is actually a great deal of information out there readily available and you could format and present it in a manner as accurate and relevant as anything that will be coming from corporations regarding their financial and business profiles.
     
    I sense that you’ve been asked non-answerable and potentially distractingly obviating questions as either a delaying subterfuge or as an outright derailing effort.   And before you get defensive regarding your fine corporation and it’s forward looking management team – derailing and delaying happens even in the best of families.    
     Vinny

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    #120152

    Ken Feldman
    Participant

    Cheap shot, thanks a lot.  You will feel the power of the Darkside.

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    #120155

    mariluz Cacheiro
    Participant

    Disagree?

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    #120157

    mariluz Cacheiro
    Participant

    Please is it  possible  to explain the  mystry of 1,5’s in simple  words as  I could  not  understand it,thanks

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    #120167

    Mikel
    Member

    Yes – in simple terms it’s BS

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    #120172

    mariluz Cacheiro
    Participant

    What does it  mean:BS?  Thanks

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    #120173

    BTDT
    Participant

    Wait a minute…Zig Zag 1.5 = 1.5 shift?Is there a connection? You’re right, it’s B.S.BTDT

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    #120182

    Ken Feldman
    Participant

    BS means it is an supported but popular factor for explaining how much a process might shift over time.

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    #120183

    Turtleboy
    Member

    I got certified by Nc State and then took the ASQ certification test….I don’t know if this helps but my ASQ certificate number is 3,042. I got it in March. This could mean that:
    – There are 3,042 ASQ SSBB 
    – Just in March of 2005 they certified 3,042 people
    – Out of 3,042 test takers I barely passed and came on 3,042 place.
    – This is just a random generated number   

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    #120185

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Neal,
    I spent most of my summers there growing up out on River Road.
    Regards

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    #120188

    Mikel
    Member

    Last time I checked that shift was more than 1.5

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    #120193

    Nero
    Participant

    Now, let’s discuss how many angels can stand on the tip of a needle.

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