How many Black Belts are there?
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May 25, 2005 at 12:53 am #39468
Neal BouwmeesterParticipant@Neal-BouwmeesterInclude @Neal-Bouwmeester in your post and this person will
be notified via email.As part of a business case for Six Sigma training within my organization, my senior management posed the question as to how many certified black belts there were in Canada (or North America). The question comes from thier request to understand the saturation of Six Sigma at the individual level…..does anyone know?…or know where I can find out?
thanks0May 25, 2005 at 2:15 am #120083I believe there are 16,489.45.
0May 25, 2005 at 2:30 am #120084What’s the purpose of knowing how many black belts there are?
What does it help you with?
Stan, I like the ” .45″0May 25, 2005 at 3:05 am #120088valid question, have you checked out ASQ’s site?
0May 25, 2005 at 3:13 am #120089
Ken FeldmanParticipant@DarthInclude @Darth in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Stupid question with an answer that is unknown and unknowable. There is no central registry of SS belts. Different companies use different titles for similar responsibilities as a BB. People call themselves a BB without any formalized certification. There is no official licensing body. Many BBs serve in that capacity for a year or two before returning to a line of business position. Should they still be counted. Sorry, there is no valid answer to this question.
0May 25, 2005 at 3:14 am #120090This is not a valid question and the ASQ site will not give you the answer to your question because they only know how many Black Belts they have certified. There are as many certifying boards as there are consulting firms and many companies certify their employees. So disregard the previous posting, its author does not even know how to start a project.
0May 25, 2005 at 3:19 am #120091Neal,
Im one.
I hope that gets your survey started off on the right track its also my impression that several of the more routine forum posters are also. But theyll have to confirm that for you.
Good luck and please post the results of your intriguing survey once completed. Thanks.
Vinny0May 25, 2005 at 3:26 am #120093I am also a Grand Pubah Senior Master Black Belt. (self taught and certified of course)
0May 25, 2005 at 3:39 am #120098
Ken FeldmanParticipant@DarthInclude @Darth in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Stan, nobody cares about your Holiday Inn Express MBB. Neal is doing a survey on BBs. Neal, count me in for 200. That’s the number of BBs in the first wave at my current client.
0May 25, 2005 at 3:42 am #120099Cool. Thats two.
This is really picking up speed. Shouldnt take long now.
I may be proven wrong but Im betting that theres a bunch or maybe even a slew of us – maybe not GPS-MBB’s but trained anyway.
GPS-MBB’s are highly directional and never lose true (SS Program) North. It also puts a great spin on process mapping. Certainly something to aspire to…
Vinny0May 25, 2005 at 4:07 am #120102I hear that the GPS-MBB is the finest available.
0May 25, 2005 at 10:50 am #120114
Mike CarnellParticipant@Mike-CarnellInclude @Mike-Carnell in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Neal Bouwmeester,
Try checking with Dr Alastair Muir at Muir and Associates over in Calgary.
Good luck.0May 25, 2005 at 10:59 am #120115
Mike CarnellParticipant@Mike-CarnellInclude @Mike-Carnell in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Vinny,
I am a .5 – Wallaceburg, Ontario.
Regards0May 25, 2005 at 11:32 am #120117
KulkarniParticipant@blackbeltInclude @blackbelt in your post and this person will
be notified via email.I am one. I know about 250 of them at GE India. Dont think that you wanted India numbers anyway. I know about 50 in GE USA. Obviously there are many more.An easier way to estimate might be to say”For each company that uses Six Sigma there is 1 BB for xxx number of employees”A good xxx number is probably around 50 or so. My own x value was 300+, but I figure the average will be much lower.Cheers
0May 25, 2005 at 12:02 pm #120119Thats what I hear but Im basing a lot of that on my new Garmin StreetPilot 2620 In-Car GPS Navigator with Color Touchscreen which I really like.
So I figure it just stands to reason that a GPS-MBB would be a real path finder and leader and the finest available.
Vinny0May 25, 2005 at 12:05 pm #120121
PlasticParticipant@PlasticInclude @Plastic in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Vee Heere in Germany also Haave a coople ovv Bee Bee’s.
Vee veed sthem Brat-wurst and Kalkulate zee Differense. Most Bee Bee’s eat zthree brat-wurst bevor zthey pujuck up zee Brat-wusrt. Zenn vee klean zthem up with zthe beer.
Haave a grrrrreat Tag.
Plastic0May 25, 2005 at 12:12 pm #120122the better question is “how many functional black belts are there”. Its probably a lot easier to make up a number for that. My experience so far has been that for about every 50 people that claim black belt status two really are black belts; 10-15 are green belts, the remainders are false prophets that hide behind ZigZag 1.5 thin certifications. I actually refer to these people as “zigzags” in my circle.
I for one am comfortable admitting that i’m not a black belt (YET!) even though i seem to have a better understanding than most of our black belts.
good luck with this task.
Matt0May 25, 2005 at 12:14 pm #120123Vinny,
I remain in awe of your powers of observation.
Long live dead mathematicians.0May 25, 2005 at 12:21 pm #120125You have to admit that the 1.5’s are easier to roll with and therefore make these folks more interesting to invite to a celebration.
0May 25, 2005 at 1:03 pm #120128You were looking for functional BBs. I was afraid that someone would eventually get to that qualifier. I suppose as a dysfunctional Black Belt Ill have to remove myself from the count. But fortunately that still leaves the 3 billion functional Lean Sigma BBs that Darths trained and certified this week, which after the VAM (value added multiplier) is factored in, again, fortunately, still leaves us at two… Vinny
0May 25, 2005 at 1:05 pm #120131
Ken FeldmanParticipant@DarthInclude @Darth in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Stan, love the inside joke about Grand Pubah Senior MBB. GPSMBB is certainly a worthy title for one as abstruse as yourself. I always wondered where the title came from.
0May 25, 2005 at 1:28 pm #120135
Neal BouwmeesterParticipant@Neal-BouwmeesterInclude @Neal-Bouwmeester in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Per my thread…its a question from my senior management as part of an understanding of ‘market saturation’ of Six Sigma training and its effectiveness. While I don’t expect this to be accurate, if I can glean a view of how many functional black belts there are in Canada (or North America), combined with effective case studies, it will further my cause. BTW….I don’t beleive that knowing this number is paramount in my argument…..the value is in the solution, but its a question nonetheless.
thx0May 25, 2005 at 1:39 pm #120137Stan,
I find your answer rude, you have no business putting down someones question. I was compelled to write this cause I noticed that you really havent answered question in the last few posts that I have seen, just seem to be quipping about someone elses poll.Neal, Hope someone here is able to help you.bye0May 25, 2005 at 1:40 pm #120138
Neal BouwmeesterParticipant@Neal-BouwmeesterInclude @Neal-Bouwmeester in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Wallaceburg…thats funny…I grew up in Wallaceburg
0May 25, 2005 at 1:48 pm #120139
Neal BouwmeesterParticipant@Neal-BouwmeesterInclude @Neal-Bouwmeester in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Thanks for the input (for the most part)…I am begining to understand how difficult a question this acutally was. I didn’t really know how lax certification was (functional vs. non-functional)….which I find very funny as a complete, 100% Six Sigma un-educated heathen, that a quality body has no quality standard for its own certification!
I am intrigued by the formula of # of BB x # of companies engaging Six Sigma…maybe thats a better angle of attack for my question?
thanks again
NB0May 25, 2005 at 2:07 pm #120141
KulkarniParticipant@blackbeltInclude @blackbelt in your post and this person will
be notified via email.I am glad that you may find the whole ‘xxx’ way of calculating of some use.
Cheers
w w w.t r e q n a.c o m – An Open Six Sigma Standard0May 25, 2005 at 2:08 pm #120142Perhaps you could come at the concerns from a different point of view. Have you thought about performing a search to identify mentions of Six Sigma in corporate annual reports? I did that sometime back and noted the corporations, their market segment span, approximate timeframe of Six Sigma program initiation, savings attributed to the Six Sigma program, and specific program statements attributed to C-level representatives. It helped make for a persuasive argument to counter the uninformed angst of a few well-placed detractors.
There is actually a great deal of information out there readily available and you could format and present it in a manner as accurate and relevant as anything that will be coming from corporations regarding their financial and business profiles.
I sense that youve been asked non-answerable and potentially distractingly obviating questions as either a delaying subterfuge or as an outright derailing effort. And before you get defensive regarding your fine corporation and its forward looking management team derailing and delaying happens even in the best of families.
Vinny0May 25, 2005 at 4:05 pm #120152
Ken FeldmanParticipant@DarthInclude @Darth in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Cheap shot, thanks a lot. You will feel the power of the Darkside.
0May 25, 2005 at 4:16 pm #120155
mariluz CacheiroParticipant@mariluz-CacheiroInclude @mariluz-Cacheiro in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Disagree?
0May 25, 2005 at 4:21 pm #120157
mariluz CacheiroParticipant@mariluz-CacheiroInclude @mariluz-Cacheiro in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Please is it possible to explain the mystry of 1,5’s in simple words as I could not understand it,thanks
0May 25, 2005 at 4:56 pm #120167Yes – in simple terms it’s BS
0May 25, 2005 at 5:11 pm #120172
mariluz CacheiroParticipant@mariluz-CacheiroInclude @mariluz-Cacheiro in your post and this person will
be notified via email.What does it mean:BS? Thanks
0May 25, 2005 at 5:11 pm #120173Wait a minute…Zig Zag 1.5 = 1.5 shift?Is there a connection? You’re right, it’s B.S.BTDT
0May 25, 2005 at 6:16 pm #120182
Ken FeldmanParticipant@DarthInclude @Darth in your post and this person will
be notified via email.BS means it is an supported but popular factor for explaining how much a process might shift over time.
0May 25, 2005 at 6:53 pm #120183
TurtleboyMember@TurtleboyInclude @Turtleboy in your post and this person will
be notified via email.I got certified by Nc State and then took the ASQ certification test….I don’t know if this helps but my ASQ certificate number is 3,042. I got it in March. This could mean that:
– There are 3,042 ASQ SSBB
– Just in March of 2005 they certified 3,042 people
– Out of 3,042 test takers I barely passed and came on 3,042 place.
– This is just a random generated number0May 25, 2005 at 6:57 pm #120185
Mike CarnellParticipant@Mike-CarnellInclude @Mike-Carnell in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Neal,
I spent most of my summers there growing up out on River Road.
Regards0May 25, 2005 at 7:25 pm #120188Last time I checked that shift was more than 1.5
0May 25, 2005 at 8:50 pm #120193Now, let’s discuss how many angels can stand on the tip of a needle.
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