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    Pradeep Sharma
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    Dear All,
    How important it is to get six sigma certified? Certification holds more value than the knowledge? Does companies don’t hire if the person does not have certifiaction however, might have knowledge.
    Regards,
    Pradeep Sharma

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    #138492

    Whitehurst
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    Interesting question,
    You right about most companies, they value the certification over the knowledge up-front.  I recently accpeted a new job and was suprised by the lack of questions that I was asked in the hiring process.  I was prepared for a theoretical grilling of sorts, never came.
    They assumed since I was certified, that I must know the material.
    The person who hired me, my boss, is a Certified Black Belt as well, however, her certification was in the form of a 1,000 fly-by-night program that really lacked in depth knowledge.
    I myself, was trained by a Master Black Belt at Ford, but actually got my certification from a local University.  Their program was amazingly in-depth, the instructor was passionate about his teaching, and the content was sound.  I have ran across better black belts then myself of course, but not because they had better training, the reason being their raw experience.
    If I had not had a manufacturing job that I could apply my daily lectures to, I am not sure if it would have been as good.  Every lecture I learned how to do somthing I already did, much better and more process oriented.
    My boss however is what I like to call “Sigma Lite”, practically of no use to me or my colleauges in any way.  We somtimes will test his skill with some questions that we know, just to gauge his training, YTD he hasnt proven worthwhile.  I recently hired a Green Belt to assist me in my day to day data collection and analysis, I grilled him with both theory and conecptual questions, in addition to some sound statistical ones.  A real black belt, in my mind, is continuosly improving himself through study, practice, training, and reading.  I like to read 1 book a week if possible on things that I may not know or want to better understand.
    In closing, when comparing Black Belt to Black-Belt, make sure to really look close, as they are not all created equal.  Some, like myself, enjoy the data and process with a passion to get better, money is also nice but not the driving factor for me.  I latch on to other black belts that I know are better then me so I can learn there tricks and unique abilites to analyze data from different perspectives, everyday I learn somthing new.
    Certification is good, it will help you get a job, but to truly succeed and excel at that position, the Certification is nothing more then a piece of paper, you must use it to your advantage.
    I myself am a big fan of lean manufacturing, I am not certified, but know more the most due to my dilligence in studying and applying it whenever possible.
    Joe

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    Pradeep Sharma
    Participant

    Thanks Joe for your comments, I have job based on my little bit six sgima knowledge and fortunately in my current profile i am learning a lot about SS. This question was in my mind becuase where ever I have applied no body has asked for certificate “As proof of knowledge”. I was planning to go for BB certification wanted to know if it is actualy worth spending heavy amount for peice of paper. But after reading your comments I think I should go for certification, however focus on acquiring knowledge.
    Thanks

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    #138515

    pise
    Participant

    Pradeep
    I also agree with Joe’s post.
    Are you Pradeep Sharma that went to Westview Centennial in Toronto (North York)?
    Raj

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    Pradeep Sharma
    Participant

    No Raj, I am not that Pradeep Sharma

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    #138537

    Samir Palsule
    Member

    Pradeep,
    I do agree with you. Some years back the industry was under impression that certified people can do better job than the qualified persons based on their skills, knowledge. But slowly industry is coming out of that syndrome and recruiting people who can make the difference & take the organization towards the set goals.
    It is nice thing to have any certification. My experience says that certification only sharpens your tools / knowledge and prepares us to respond to the situation in better way in future. But certification process does not ensure that how this knowledge gained during the certification process is used in practice. Certification training if not planned properly, can become only theoretical exercise and difficult to implement in practice (at an cost to self or organization).
    – Samir.

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    #138538

    Rick Buchman
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    Certification enables a bandwidth of certainty that knowledge, skills and ability are developed to a competency level generally recognized throughout the Lean Six Sigma profession.  We must also recognize the customer aspect, in aligning our efforts and applying our skills toward achieving business goals and clear competitive advantage in todays market.  Certification without this linkage is an academic exercise.  The business leaders must always see Lean Six Sigma competency and certification as adding value to their business performance.  Where this is practiced successfully, we see the best and most promising performance and operating excellence deployments.    Always glad to share,  Rick

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    #138600

    CB
    Participant

      Pradeep,
     Yes, get your BB or MBB. Use it wisely, don’t ever do a “Six Sigma” project just to do a Six Sigma project. Here at PerkinElmer I’ve fired some black belts for using and abusing the power. If you go in “I’M MISTER SIX SIGMA BLACK BELT” out of my way I can do anything, guess what you will be fired. You need to sell yourself and your project to your boss/mentor and the employees that will use your process.
                           Good luck
     Just remember QUILTY IS EVERYTHING

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    #138630

    Pradeep Sharma
    Participant

    Thanks,
    As you said get your BB/ MBB and dont do project just for doing six sigma project. But then why these certification demands 2-3 projects to be done, which force a person to do project even if it is not required, else you will not get the certificate. Its easy to get trained but difficult to complete a project specially when your management is not ready to invest time and money on projects rather looking for quick resolution.One of the reason I am not able to get BB certificate :-(, I have seen people getting BB certificate by copying and pasting projects and calling themselves BB certified and getting good jobs within no time, and some people applying six sigma methodology for years and still not considered as six sigma professionals, at times its frustrating, atleast for me :-). Your thoughts….

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    #138632

    John Melby
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    In addition Joe’s comments, my two cents is effective six sigma practitioners require change management skills also. Applying the right statistical tools, analyzing the data for the best solution AND actually delivering through to control, is what measures an effective six sigma project, certified Belt or not. Communication, “selling,” and leadership skills are required to achieve and maintain the intended gains.

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    #138668

    Chilly Willy
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    Here is a question for the group:
    Has anyone ever heard of a legitimate SS certification that did NOT require a project?
    I do not utilize SS in my current position, but I think that I would like to try to “weasel” my way into the field w/my NEXT position.  I am running out of mental challenges in my current position and expect to be moving on w/in the next year or two. 
    Villanova University offers a Green Belt “Certificate”, that involves a test but does not mention a project.
    Does anyone have any thoughts on something like this for someone like myself who is looking to gain an entry level position in the SS field w/book knowledge and little (SS specific) real-world experience?
    If anyone reading this is considering going to Villanova’s website, be careful about giving them an email address.  They will sell it to the spammers before the day is out! :-(
    Chilly
     

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    #138669

    Mike Carnell
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    Chilly Willy,
    Take a look at a thing called Bloom’s Taxonomy. For a MBB, BB or GB to deliver any value to their organization they need to operate at the application level to deliver any value at all. A MBB needs to be higher than that actually.
    I think this is a question you need to answer for yourself. What is training worth and what level will it deliver you to? If you feel it will only deliver you to a level of Knowledge or Comprehension and the price is worth that then it is a viable deal. There is a huge market out there who will accept the Knowledge and Comprehension level because they have no desire to actually apply the methodology.
    The other question is if a company is willing to hire you from a program that does not require a project (not disparaging VN program) are they a company that is serious about the talent that they are putting into their program? If they are not serious about the level of talent then are they serious about the program? Are you satisfied being a part of a program such as that?
    It is really personal choices that only you can make based on what you want.
    Just my opinion.
    Good luck.

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    #138695

    MrKid
    Participant

    The certification will help your resume get past the HR recruiter and into the hands of the hiring manager, which is one of your primary goals in applying for a job: to make it through the screening process.
    The certification will probably not get you the job.  Your ability to sell yourself and describe what you can do to help the hiring manager will do that.  If a manager is hiring based solely on a certificate, he/she is a fool, because all certificates are not created equal.
    The certification will not directly make you better at performing the job.  Your knowledge and experience will do that.  A good certification program will acknowledge that you have displayed the skills (change management, project management, problem solving, leadership), but again, all certs are not created equal.

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