Internal training of Black Belts

Theoretically…
It can also be effective to have Six Sigma Blackbelt experience as a job requirement for new/open upper management positions within an organization.
Much different than simply training existing upper management who have virtually no hope of ever using the new skillset.

Only problem I have found is if the MBB trainer isn’t very high in the organization.  It’s hard to fail a CEO if s/he doesn’t pass the certification. Actually, it’s not hard, but it’s a bit awkward to fail your boss.  Hopefully they will all pass.

Outlier,
Internal training of BB’s (by MBB’s) is critical to ownership being internalized. There are plenty of consulting companies that will train your organization until you get carpal tunnel from writing checks. A consulting firm that is focused on leaving you with a stand alone program will transition to company resources training company resources. There will be a definate difference in the impact of the training. Regardless of how good the instructor and how good the material a consultant will always be an outsider with less credibility than someone from inside the organization.
Certification of your top level management without pulling them out of their job and have them be full time BB’s is p_ssing in the wind. The classroom experience is superficial at best (reference Bloom’s Taxonomy). The minimum level for a BB needs to be Application and that comes from projects.
That does not mean you should not train them. If you can track down an old GE MBB named Paul Trotochaud who was with GE Power Gen, Greenville, South Carolina (I think he is at Pratt & Whitney now – BTDT may know for sure) he may give you a run down on what he did for the plant staff there. It was very effective. I believe he condensed each week to an 8 hour class (obviously not to the level of BB training) so they would understand at more than a YB level what was going on. It did wonders for the deployment at Greenville without creating some special underqualified subculture arbitrarily based on their title.
Just my opinion.
Good luck

Don’t know what side of the issue this supports.
 
I’m an internally trained BB.  I came from the mid management level and found the business knowledge and leadership skills that I gained there helped a lot as a BB.  My mathematical and statistical knowledge is not strong, but that can be attributed to I don’t have a passion for it.
 
In my opinion, a nice mixture is optimal.  
 
Stevo
 
Ps.  The training I received here at Bank of America was good, however I was in one of the first waves and it was geared more to manufacturing.  I hear it’s gotten a lot better and more relevant.

AlliedSignal/Honeywell did not do this during my time there…
Like most Companies, they held “Leadership Awareness workshops”.

I was tracking with you until I read:  Heavy emphasis on the tools is wasted.   I did not read that in Stevo’s note.   I read that the tools trained in should be appropriate for the business at hand AND tools training intensity should be appropriate for the practice level of the participant, e.g., heavily intensive for MBB’s, somewhat less intensive for BB’s, significantly less so for GB’s and Champions, and a light brush for Leaders – those non-practicing leaders ensconced in their senior functional roles.   That’s what I read, and Stevo being my hero, I tend to not only agree with him but to occasionally read my own thoughts into his postings because, as I said, I do agree with him.

Gotcha.   Same page.    Sounds good.
 
Don’t let that Deming tutored Dr. Darth character on our page though.  
 
Just us Juran guys OK? – you, me and Stevo (maybe Phil and Mike C. and the 4-Stans if they behave), but let’s try to keep it just the three of us.  OK?
 

Hmmm…… me, Stevo and OutLiar derailing this thread while you, Darth Brooks and Eric No Maas derail the other??  Sort of a divide and conquistador approach??   Yeah, OK, I do like that ransack and burn the Aztec temple and run away before they catch me and eat my heart approach to technical forum interaction of yours. 
 
Sure, I’ll be Nope A Dope and you can be Dr. Darf (Darf being a really cool with-it sounding slang type you-da-man version of Darth, as described so eloquently in urbandictionary.com).
 
As in: Yo!! You da man Dr. Darf.  Rock on with your Robert Butler hypothesis statement restatements… 

Check this out.  I am prepping for my concert debut.
http://www.dailyprobe.com/arcs/050702/darthbrooks.jpg

Well……. you might want to first get on urbandictionary.com and checkout their definition of “darf” before you graciously accept anything, unless of course, it typifies and directly relates to your endemic and gracious SoBe acceptance of offers.  

Boy, goes to show, you just can’t trust a guy named “Nope a Dope”.  I am OK with the first definition because that certainly fits the Darth persona both in the movie and in reality.  Guess I will keep it based on the first definition unless the Forum bans it as did 21 states.

My  late  ‘Father” has  passed  away  before some  15  years.I  ask  mercy  for  his  soul.But  as  you  are  one  of  the  respected God-Fathers of  this Forum I  ask  you  to  explain thses  stupid  stuff for  me  and  athers,thank  you. 

Great  Answe .Thank  You

Dear Brit,
You are something!
So my opinion is, M/BB firstly, are politicians. You have to hit your boss and you must ensure they are not defeated!
Haha! very hard very hard…
Anyone have encourage please have a try.hahahaha.
Good luck,
Simon W

Hi man,
Let me give you more politics in deployment of SS.

Give a pep talk to your boss let him shape up._haha, very easy,right
Then when you clamp down, he will ask you to think in his shoes and try to find some reason to calm you down let you know he is boss._haha, that’s not the hardest time for you and you may try your best to get around to it, so
Finally, you say the 3 word (blablabla) and get a pink slip plus 3 word (lablablab)._Of course it’s up to you but mostly you will not let it ride and thus get this…
You will not pull a few strings if you are not a politician._Then you will…haha, up to u.haha.
So you know, a politician means you may tickle your boss and don’t let his angry at you,that’s most important for the brand of you as well as your company.
Normally, I will be not a Freelancer but will be a Professor! Surprised?
Is that cool?:-)
hahahaha.
Try your best to be a politician then…
Thanks and best regards,
Simon W
 

Agree fully  with  you.I  hate  those  pretenders  who  call  themselves CEO OR  Boss  or  what  so  ever .So  that  why  I’m  free-lancer  and  I  will continue  like  that  until  the  end  of  my  life.Ofcourse  I’m  not  earning  enough  amount  of  money  but  I’m  happy  and  satisfied and  enjoy  the  peace of  mind.I  have  never liked  to  flatter those Idiots ,who know  only  the  “language  of  money”,oriented  Politically to  manibulate  and  lie most  of  the  time.I  will  never  try  to  be  a  “politician” ,have  no  talent  for  that but  thank  you  for  the  free  leasons.Regards

Wow, admire you! You have a good life.
I learn a lot from you my brother.
Best wishes,
SW