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    ROSS
    Member

    May I please request feedback on six sigma GB, BB, MBB certifications offered IQF.
    1) Does the certification test the candidate’s capabilities
    2) As there are no training programs to support these certifications….Is it worth getting certified by IQF
    3) IQF is not very popular unlike other bodies. Is there a catch
    Appreciate valuable inputs
    Tony
     

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    #123521

    Issa
    Participant

    Just think about it for a second. You take the test at your house without any supervision. No one is there to check your ID. You order a CD and you take the test on line. If you are desperate to pass the test the first time, pay me $1000 and I shall come to your house and at your convenient time and take the test for you, I can even take it at my house for you.
    IQF is the biggest joke 6 sigma has ever produced.
    How can any thinking human being take you seriously with that kind of certificate?

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    #123522

    Paul G
    Participant

    Not only joke, it is like a scam. You take a test where ever, and whenever, and then if you score 50%, you get Green Belt, and at some % you get Black Belt. This is all money making greedy scheme in the name of Six Sigma. I hope someone seriously questions its inegrity and of its sponsors by more professional.

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    #123525

    Mikel
    Member

    Issa, I’ve seen your posts and I am pretty sure the $1000 would be a risk. On the other hand, A consortium of Darth, Mike C, and I will come to your town and for the price of three nice hotel suites and a case of great tequila, we will guarantee the pass.
    BTW, I agree its a scam.

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    #123526

    President of IQF
    Participant

    Stan and others,

    Before denigrating the fine work we are doing here at IQF, please follow the attached link and read exactly what the certification process is.  Certainly, it is more rigorous than paying some money and drinking some tequila.  I am an internationally reknowned Six Sigma consultant and we are in partnership with some very credible organizations.

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    #123527

    Babe of a Sister
    Participant

    Paying three guys from an anonymous web forum to come over and take a test for you; isn’t this just the land of unlimited opportunity?
    Darth, don’t forget the bikini for the hotel pool. I may have to make this trip too. Leave Mrs. Darth at home…….

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    #123531

    Mikel
    Member

    Tommy P,
    Yes you are an internationally reknowned Six Sigma consultant, but then again so is Dr. Mikel and Mikey George. Go figure – maybe you are just a legend in your own mind.
    That certification of yours is really catching on – very impressive.

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    #123532

    Mikel
    Member

    Phil, I know you like Darth but I think you are letting just a little too much of your feminine side out of the closet on this post.

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    #123535

    Brad
    Participant

    Stan,
    They seem to be quite the organization. The mission statement says they don’t produce products that compete with comercial organizations. It is certainly a good thing there aren’t any companies on this site offering certification. Either that or they are not commercial organizations?
    The entire organization appears to be Detroit automotive people who might better serve quality if they focused on producing better cars. They do appear to have been in the rearview mirror of Toyota, Honda, Lexus and Hyundai for several years. These same people are promoting quality as they give away their market primarily due to substandard quality. Maybe we can get a mambership to IQF at employee prices in the next few months?
    Setting yourself up as some International Federation is similar to building a one man business and calling it an Academy or being number one on the Lean Six Sigma book list but you are the number one purchaser of your own books.
     

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    #123538

    Issa
    Participant

    I have the IQF study guide on my computer and I do not see anything serious about it. You do not need to know anything about statistics to do the tests. If you have Excel installed on your computer, it is all “copy and paste” and you get the answers right.
    I would be morally wrong to charge $1000 for the test. I have to cut it down to $100.
    With that price I am sure there is no way Stan and Co can compete against me.
    TQM failed not because it was not a good approach to management, but because everybody was doing it and very few knew what it was about. IQF program is one of those that will eventually make 6 sigma fail. You have a whole bunch of people going around in their companies calling themselves MBBs and they do not even know how to make the difference between ‘Range’ and ‘Standard deviation’.
    Issa

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    #123540

    CP1890
    Participant

    Hi…….are you refering to the test administerd by IFQ?   If so, what are the qualifications to take the test……..other than paying the fee?

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    #123541

    President of IQF
    Participant

    Possibly a slander or libel law suit might get you to change your tune.  And if not a suit possibly the bikini you mentioned in an earlier post.  Lay off of us.  If people are willing to take this route why punish us?  It is free market economy.  Possibly some envy or jealousness are rearing their heads.

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    #123543

    Adam Bowden
    Participant

    Dear Mr.President
    A little sensitive are we ????
    Please come back frequently – there are many on this site that would love to reply to your postings.
    Regards,
    Adam

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    #123547

    Tierradentro
    Participant

    Please what is  your  fee  for  the  BB Certification?How  long it  would take?Please  submit  some  out-lines,thanks and  regards.

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    #123548

    Mikel
    Member

    Tommy,
    Bring the slander or libel suit, I could use the extra cash from filing a frivilous suit.
    The suit will also enhance the reputation of your certification (can’t fall out of a hole can we?)

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    #123555

    webegeek
    Member

    I wondered when someone was going to come along and threaten that sort of thing against some people here.  While everyone is certainly entitled to an opinion, it is obvious there is a bias here against anything not Motorola, GE, Allied and a few other corporate training programs.
    I’m not sure people aren’t legally able to say, “Pepsi sucks”.  They can’t say “Pepsi is full of illegal alien urine”.  That will get them sued.  But just saying this program or that program sucks and is an opinion and there are a lot of people here with a lot of opinions.
    Whether they are right or not is another story.

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    #123557

    Mikel
    Member

    Webe (you don’t mind if I call you Webe do you?),
    If you can find some slander in any of my posts, point it out, otherwise don’t fan the flames like there is actually something for Tommy to be sueing about.
    The IQF is an academic exercise by a bunch of stat geeks. Mr. P thinks he has superior knowledge and he does not. He probably thinks he has superior education, but in my group alone, there are Masters and PhD’s from MIT, Harvard, NYU, Stanford and others. They are not the best in the group by the way. 
    I think the claim of it being of value is a scam. BTW, I could ace their test with one arm tied behind me and a hangover (thus the need for a case of great tequila).
    Save the wondering about lawsuits for when someone has actually been slandered. Know the difference between not saying nice things and things that are not true and harmful.

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    #123561

    Tired of the BS
    Member

    Stan,Mickey (you don’t mind if I call you Mickey do you?) You’re surely a legend in your own mind. Do you actually do anything other than tell everyone how great you are. Suggest you do us all a favor, check yourself into AA!

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    #123623

    ROSS
    Member

    Guys..
    I thought this forum provide insights. A good place to get genuinue feedback.
    Yes, I got the answer, value of IQF, etc.,
    But guess what the reputation that i had about some like Stans, Darths or the world is gone by now.
    Six Sigma is evolving & variation is part of life. It is understandable that some have higher standards than others. A jungle should have tigers, lions, elephants , snakes, deers, etc. to have an balance.
    Probably IQF is the deers and consulting firms that Stan & Darth are the lions..
    Stan, Darth …. i want to get certified by the lions of the world… Do you certify? what is the criteria ? By how much will it burn my vallet
     

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    #123631

    Darth
    Participant

    Tony, I am not sure I agree with your metaphor.  Some of us who have been in the business a while are trying our best to maintain the industry that has been good to us.  It is a common phenomenon that as an industry matures, others will jump in.  In our case, entry into the industry is very low cost.  Print some business cards and a training manual and you are in.  Hang a shingle and call yourself a SS consultant and MBB and you will get some business.  Unfortunately, as those less qualified and experienced enter the marketplace, the overall industry starts to dilute.  Selling “Six Sigma in a Box” for $5,000 and claiming it is as good as weeks of training and project work is offensive, at least to me.  Yes, we are all evolving and welcome those that take the industry to a higher level.  The only time you will see people “trash” someone like IQF is if they believe that it is not designed to further the industry but to grab a few bucks.  As Deming was fond of saying, “Beware of the hacks!!”.

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    #123783

    webegeeks
    Member

    yes, you can call me WeBe
    The point was in order to have a suit, you have to have something besides someone expressing their opinion.  I can say you suck and that is not liable.  If I said you are a horrible example of a six sigma black belt and have no market skills worthwhile, that is probably enough for a suit.
    And believe me, I wouldn’t think of helping you fan the flames.

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    #123791

    Mikel
    Member

    Look idiot, find a post where I said I was great. You won’t find one. Learn to read.

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    #123831

    Darth on behalf of Stan
    Participant

    I AM GREAT!!!  Just thought I would help a fellow poster out.

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    #123851

    Mikel
    Member

    Thanks for the help. I’m sending a message to Reigle that you want to discuss statistical tolerancing.

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    #123971

    Tierradentro
    Participant

    How to approach  them.I’m interested in their   BB Program,thanks

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    #123972

    Darth
    Participant

    Do you want to approach the hacks?  Or IQF.  Or are they one and the same.  Try putting IQF in Google and see what you get.  DUH!!!

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    #123973

    Dayton
    Member

    Now that was just plain rude.
    Vinny

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    #123974

    BTDT
    Participant

    President of IQF:You have addressed a systemic problem with SS and certification. I looked at http://www.qualityamerica.com/QPProducts/IQF6sigmastudyguide.htm to see how you are addressing this. I was particularly interested in the number of questions and weighting of each objective to calculate the final score. I found the following:

    “The Applications section of the exam is designed to test the examinee’s business methods and problem solving capability. The problems in the Applications section are more involved and may take up to an hour to complete. Because the questions in the Applications section vary in the level of difficulty, the questions are weighted when the exam in scored. The Applications section consists of the following types of questions.”When I looked at the scores, I found that the ‘Process Variance Optimization’ section has no questions (0), but they are weighted at ten (10).Can you clarify this?Thanks, BTDT

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    #123976

    President of IQF
    Participant

    BTDT,
    Thank you for your interest in the fine work we are doing at IQF.  It has been our experience that the average attention span of the Six Sigma professional rarely exceeds one hour which is the reason for the brevity of the exam.  We figure that if they can’t demonstrate competence in 60 minutes, then it will not show itself with any more time.  As for your query regarding the weighting of the Process Variance Optimization section, it should be obvious as to what we did.  If not, please check out this reference, Weighting Test Questions When There Are None by the famed Italian mathematicians Vinny Testaverde and Letgo Mitesticlees.

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    #123977

    Darth
    Participant

    Vinny sir, was I being a tad yokelish and bounderish?  You must admit that the chap’s post was most unbecoming for this fine Forum and was indeed calling out for such a response.  But thank you, kind sir, for your asstoote and cellulite comment.

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    #123978

    Dayton
    Member

    Darth,
     
    Right there toward to end I believe I detected a leaning toward insincerity.   Perhaps not, it’s been a long week and I was probably a little fatigued and overly sensitive.  
     
    But otherwise I applaud your reining in your tendency to all too often lightly trip over to the boorish side.
     
    The time I slipped and called that one fellow a zoo monkey and an idiot, it was in jest and they were intended only as terms of endearment – as his subsequent responses indicated, he readily saw the humor and irony.   If you’d like to send your questionable comments to me in advance of posting for a balanced critique and rephrasing to more of an intellectual, technical yet with sound business acumen offering, please don’t hesitate to do so. 
     
    An example of the service that I’d be prepared and willing to provide is as follows:
     
    You said:   “….and see what you get.  DUH!!!” 
     
    I’d recommend:   “and see what you get.  Gnat brain!!!”
     
    You see?  A response that’s every bit as fun loving and spot on, but not nearly as open to misinterpretation.
     Vinny

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    #123990

    Darth
    Participant

    Vinny, thanks so much for the offer of assistance.  In retrospect, had I known, I would have utilized this service while at BOA before calling the Evil Queen “a stupid bixxh” or our new boss, “a dumb axx”.  This might have prevented, in the words of The Donald, them chiming in unison, “YOUR FIRED!!”.  That’s why I have chosen to hide out in a small midwestern town and quietly do my work.  I figure no one even knows where I am let alone provide opportunity to get in trouble.  That is, except for Rob Tripp.  I’m still waiting to see his trick of whistling songs from the Wizard of Oz while chugging a pitcher of beer.

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    #123992

    BTDT
    Participant

    I can not find the reference. Do you have a link?Thanks, BTDT

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    #123994

    President of IQF
    Participant

    Mr. BDDT,
    You are a bit slow. You can now understand why we keep the exam simple and to under 60 minutes. Here is the link to your weighting question. As for more information on Italian mathematicians, I believe poster Dr. Vinny seems to be the resident expert and possibly could provide further references by Vinny Testaverde and Legmo MiTesiclees.http://images.amazon.com/images/P/096442410X.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

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    #123995

    BTDT
    Participant

    President of IQF:There is no need for insults, I have not joined the rest of the exchange with others on this thread.It is a legitimate question whether or not you make up the names of homophonic, fictional statisticians. The website still states that you ask no questions and weight them at 10.How do you do you use this information in the calculation of the score?Regards, BTDT

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    #123996

    President of IQF
    Participant

    BTDT,
    After further review and analysis, it has been determined that it is a typographical error.  Thanks for your perserverance.

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    #123997

    Tierradentro
    Participant

    I’m interested to  participate in your (distance-eLearning) SS-BB Program (if  you have  any?),please indicate  the  conditions,thanks.

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    #123998

    President of IQF
    Participant

    Dear John…no pun intended….but I recommend that you first enroll in an online spelling and grammar course before pursuing our BB program.  Being able to adquately express yourself in a written format is critical to being a successful BB/MBB.  After that, do a Google search for IQF and that will lead you to our website.  All the necessary information is there regarding our format, policies and financial information.  Thank you for your interest.
    With regards to your earlier post as to Forum Type, it will be interesting to see how people like Stan, Darth, Phil, Vinny, BTDT, Mike Carnell and others respond.  In my humble opinion, they are all excellent contributors with varying styles but all effective in their own way.  It is the diversity that makes this Forum so informative and interesting and once in a while very humorous.

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    #123999

    Sah
    Member

    Wow, I guess high school never ends. Glad I never went. Can’t say I miss it.

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    #124000

    Dog Sxxt
    Participant

    Check your own spelling too on “reknowed” in your earlier posting.

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    #124001

    Dayton
    Member

    I’d like to see Mr. Tripp whistle the sound track from the Wizard of Oz while downing a pitcher of beer.  
     
    Perhaps he could also explain why a Six Sigma guy out of Allied Signal would pirate the moniker APEX Methods as the name of a SS deployment consultancy when every right thinking technocrat knows “APEX Methods” really refers to DNA target gene analysis using amplified probe extension in fluorescence correlation spectroscopy.  
     
    What do you think he’d say about that as he whistled and guzzled his brewski?   
     
    Do you think maybe he’s trying to mislead the genetics research scientific community in representing himself as a genetics-based Six Sigma expert?  
     
    What’s next?  
     
    Is he going to be espousing the eating of horsemeat as a result of failed Six Sigma analytics combating bovine spongiform – calling his all too adaptable Six Sigma consultancy Equine Trichinellosis Myth Busters?   I say, “Neigh, Wilbur”, we won’t stand for more blatant misrepresentation on his part.  
     
    I trust your Midwestern small town witness relocation program has kept the BOA hit squad guessing.
     
    Vinny
     

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    #124002

    Dayton
    Member

    Are you Gnat Brain John now posting as a student?  
     
    Be careful, Darth, if he hasn’t taken to heart my offer to mollify his postings, is about to get boorish and tactless with you. 
     
    Hope you are not overly sensitive because of your failed educational process.  
     Vinny

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    #124003

    Dayton
    Member

    Now THAT was a truly humbling Gotcha.  You really are good Dog. 
     
    Sorry, that “good Dog” wasn’t an intended pun either.  I just meant good Dog.  Opps, there I go again, sorry.   
     Vinny

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    #124006

    Markert
    Participant

    Dear Pres:
    I’ve enjoyed your recent venture into the dark side for a while. See how much fun it is to be running around under cover of made-up screen names and dashing in and out of threads stirring things up?
    So much more enjoyable than the your alterego, the one so few came to love to cover with spraypaint at any opportunity.
    See how much fun Vinny had for almost 3000 screen names before he selected his most recent one?
    Now get to it, because you have at least 2990 more names to go through before you can catch up with his record.
    Dear John is way out front of you on his screen name utilization. One can only hope that his observations get more acute as he rounds 30 or so screen names and changes from constant usage of bold type and his punctuation difficulties to a sly, Vinnyish “float like a butterfly, sting like a bee” style.  
    I have noticed only four types here at ISS. “Student”, “Student with translation difficulties”, “Sarcastic Know-something”, and “I’m glad I don’t have to work with him cause one of us would be dead soon enough”.
    I like to keep things simple; remember Welch’s Fix, Close or Smell. Rock, Paper, Sicily. She loves me, she loves me nut. BCC’s Stars, Cashcows, Dogs, ?. These are all orderly methods of quickly culling the winners from the losers. No need to make thing overly complicated. Needs to be simple…..

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    #124007

    Grasshopper
    Participant

    I have found the discussion a bit entertaining but not very enlightening.  As a former student of Darth, I can say that in the over 12 years I have worked in the process improvement field I have never had a better instructor.  I think it is great to have different sources of materials however when it comes to testing and certification, I believe personal, direct contact between the assessor and the one being certified is necessary to ensure validity of the knowledge.  If IQF is not ensuring proper testing procedures, then this discussion has pointed out a gap for continual improvement.
    As for finding Darth, it is nice to know he is still out there teaching and as a former student, I miss the tutelage.
    Grasshopper

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    #124009

    Habib
    Participant

    Did you say “perserverance”?
    You spell worse than Stan. Even Stan spells better than you!!!!!!!!!

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    #124010

    Habib
    Participant

    Did you say “Being able to adquately express “.
    Humm! Stan would have done better than that!

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    #124016

    Darth
    Participant

    Ah, Grasshopper, it is so good to hear from you and such nice words are appreciated.  Please feel free to contact me offline at [email protected]  so we can catch up on old times.

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    #124020

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    President of IQF,
    I would prefer not to be brought into this string for any reason. The Six Sigma industry has seen its share of (in the words of David Mansfield) “Management by Litigation.”
    In the last 10 years I have made a substantial donation to the American Bar Association because of people who haphazadly fire lawsuites. I was not particularly impressed with your response about a lawsuit and if that is how you intend to do business my recomendation to anyone is to stay away from you and your organization.
    Good luck

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    #128036

    interestinus
    Participant

    Hi, is there any way , you can get me the IQf Six sigma study guide.

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