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    MikeS
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    just want to ask if there is really a certification process in the black belt role or is it just a internal thing?
     
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    #127122

    jimmie65
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    ASQ offers a certification that is generally recognized by most companies. There are also other certifying organizations out there.
    But even if certifications are done internally, there should be some process. In my company, we require a certain number of weeks of training, completion of a project, a project presentation covering the DMAIC process, and a minimum amount of tool usage; our financial controller must also certify the project savings to be at least $90,000.
    Does this help?
     
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    #127124

    Heebeegeebee BB
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    Saying that ASQ cert is “generally” recognized, is a generalization in itself. (pun intended)
    ASQ cert is not currently accepted as replacement training by many major F-500 firms.
    The major gripe is that ASQ’s cert is determined by a testing process, not a project results-based and Change Agency process.
    I am not ASQ certified.   I gained 4 sets GB/BB/MBB certs through 4 firms over the years.   I personally had to cert and resert to these firms internal standards, regardless of how much they were lacking when compared to the early AlliedSignal material.    In each case, I was told that “Our process is different and better”.   They were different alright…namely in the lack of Statistical rigor when compared to AlliedSignal’s curriculum.

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    #127126

    jimmie65
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    So if ASQ is not “generally” recognized, is there any certification that is? My understanding was that ASQ was recognized by more companies than other certifications.
    (I’m not ASQ certified myself, but was looking into it in case I decide to switch jobs down the road.)

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    #127128

    LauraS
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    Certification…good topic.  The ASQ certification is just a paper test.  I do not hold them a true reflection of ability or competancy.  For ex., I can usally ace a multiple choice test w/o knowing much at all – regardless of subject matter.  A truer ‘test’, if you will,  would be subjective  (how ironic). 
    1) A BBs perception of themselves- ideally a BB should know what they know & what they don’t,  which  takes a lot of experience to form a good assessment of one’s own self w/o the usually delusions of grandeur.  Secondly, the perception of others- boss, peers etc.  If you can’t get things done while maintaining workable relationships.  Your useless.  Feedback?
     

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    #127132

    MikeS
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    Thanks guys.  Good conversations.  I asked because I attended training in Motorola University for the BB course.  After 2 years, our mother company in Paris launched its Six Sigma Academy and required all undergo Six Sigma training conducted by their in-house Master Black Belt.  My training in Motorola University was not considered.  That means, double cost from my end. 
    Now I am in a different company, am currently hired as a Black Belt.  Since there is no formal Six Sigma programme in place in this company, I initiated it by putting the programme in place and training Green Belts and sponsors.  If I place a certification process in place here through exams and projects, Is that acceptable in the other industries as well?
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    #127141

    AT
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    Hi Heebeegeebee,
    When did you get BB  certification from Allied -signal. I got mine in seventh wave. Just curious?
    Regards,
    Ramesh

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    #127142

    Adam Bowden
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    Hi HeeBee,
    You’re right – it’s still pretty tough to beat the Allied Stuff !!
    Best regards,
    Adam
     

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    #127174

    AB
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    Mike S
    I am wondering if we could extend the more mature practice within universities internationally, to six sigma.
    When a medical professional from, say France, immigrates to Canada, before practicing Medicine in Canada, there is some recertification involved. It’s not as long a process as having to learn it all over again, but there is a bridge course that verifies the person meets Canadian standards. In my experience, different companies emphasize use of different tools depending on their comfort level with certain knowledge areas. For instance, in a large pharma company I worked with, they had many statisticians who were chosen as black belts but another IT consulting company that I worked for, had black belts who were very strong project managers. So having a bridge course makes sense when people move across companies, countries, industries, etc. Let me know what your thoughts are.
    AB

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