iSixSigma

JMP vs Minitab

Six Sigma – iSixSigma Forums Old Forums General JMP vs Minitab

Viewing 20 posts - 1 through 20 (of 20 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #40262

    katherine
    Participant

    We’re looking at purchasing software – both JMPand Minitab have interesting and valuable features. Does anyone have any thoughts?

    0
    #124438

    Ken Feldman
    Participant

    I have always been a Mini user. A recent client forced us to use JMP since it was already widespread in the organization. While JMP has some powerful features it is much less friendly than Mini. For SS work I would strongly recommend against JMP. In my opinion, it is less intuitive, requires additional steps to do some easy operations compared to Mini and frankly output such as Attribute MSA just doesn’t make any sense compared to the simplicity of Mini. Even the client BBs dislike it and it’s their software. So far, every time I needed Help, Mini has responded to emails within hours. The one time I tried to get help from JMP it took 2 days. Plus the people answering the phones were useless and only knew enough to take a phone number. Finally, since Mini is pretty much the benchmark software for SS use, a BB/MBB who is not adept at Mini might have a disadvantage in the marketplace.

    0
    #124442

    katherine
    Participant

    Thanks for the voice of experience. What version of Minitab/JMP do you have experience? We’re looking at Minitab 14 and the next version of JMP is scheduled for their next release in a month or two.+

    0
    #124445

    “Ken”
    Participant

    Katherine,
    For the most part I would support input from Darth with on exception.  My experience with clients working in the Medical Device, Pharmaceutical, or Bio-Pharmaceutical industries tend toward JMP, because it is produced by SAS who has been the goal standard for years with the FDA regulated industries.  My past experience is that the MSA and GLM features of JMP are a bit more flexible than Minitab, albeit require a bit more understanding and experience to use them properly.
    Ken

    0
    #124479

    Ken Feldman
    Participant

    Using latest versions of each.  Mini 14 had some nice upgrades over 13.  JMP doesn’t seem to get better with age unlike good wine and tequila.

    0
    #124483

    Ken Feldman
    Participant

    Ken, the client I mentioned is pharma so your observations are correct.

    0
    #124486

    Dayton
    Member

    It would also depend upon which functional segment you are dealing with.  My experience after many years in the industry is dissimilar to yours.  Clinical Affairs and R&D might get centered on SAS and its derivatives but other functions, those that might even get into Six Sigma first in a company are gravitating to Minitab.    My HugeMedicalProducts corporation as an example is using Minitab and I know many competitors that are also using Minitab.    Most corporations came into Six Sigma with a hodge-podge of statistics programs, e.g., StatGraphics, SAS, SPSS, JMP, Minitab, etc., and had the issue of settling on one as a standard and as they moved into Six Sigma (those that have) Minitab came to the forefront. 
     
    SPC programs however seem to be battling it out between ASI DataMyte, InfinityQS and a few others.
     Vinny

    0
    #124501

    “Ken”
    Participant

    Ok, Vinny.  My comment was not meant to be a universal, as I suspect yours is not either.  I’ve seen the usage move many ways within the same company.  In my last gig with BigPharma corporation,  the Pilot and Manufacturing areas were willing to break from JMP if it meant better overall support for process improvement effort.  However, the Product Development still wanted to stay with JMP.  So, it’s was a mixed bag.
    Ken  

    0
    #124510

    Dayton
    Member

    It is/was indeed a mixed bag, but I think Six Sigma deployment is helping us move toward Minitab – demixing the bag a bit.    That was my tiny little point.
    Vinny

    0
    #124516

    Thantos
    Member

    ****

    0
    #124706

    Jo
    Participant

    I have used both JMP and Minitab and I agree with Darth that the JMP package is a little more difficult to navigate until you are used to the interface.
    What JMP does offer is a fantastic custom designer which at first seems like a small portion of the DOE package but is very powerful. This enables the developers, process improvement specialist etc. a huge amount of flexibility compared to other DOE packages.
    With regards to support the JMP business seems to be undergoing a business reorganisation so I wouldn’t base the opinion on past experience as it has recently improved.
    All-in-all for DOE JMP is way ahead of anything else on the market.
    For stats, minitab is less sophisticated but more user-friendly 

    0
    #124708

    Mikel
    Member

    And how much does an average user need to flexibility with regards to DOE?

    0
    #124709

    Jo
    Participant

    In reply to Stan, alot if you have limited reagents and time. The difference with JMP custom designer compared to other packages is that you can have any number of factors, any number of levels and can reduce the number of runs if necessary (above a predicted minimum). You can then look at the predicted error in the model and increase if necessary. I’ve tried a few others but none came close to JMP, but I’m a user of the package in industry and not a sales person. I did have to do a fair amount of training to get up-to speed because I had only ever used very basic stats prior to JMP. Their training was excellent though and I use JMP for almost every assay that I develop. 

    0
    #124712

    Dayton
    Member

    Assays?  Reagents?   Jo?    DOEs?    JMP?   
     
    Did you a few years ago work on a complex set of DOEs in the diagnostics industry centered around producing hematology calibrators and controls using erythrocytes from various species with cell degradation stabilized and surface toughened using a formulation consisting primarily of ethylene glycol with slowly titrated amounts of propylene glycol?   Said calibrators and controls used to assure cell size differentiation prior to lysing using the reagents?    
     Vinny

    0
    #124716

    Jo
    Participant

    In response to Jo,
    No I didn’t, I work in contract assay development, primarily for the pharmaceutical sector, why do you ask?

    0
    #124717

    Ropp
    Participant

    JMP tends to be more graphical oriented than Mintab (Turkey test, T test, variability charts). I have conducted well over 35 experiments, and have concluded that JMP’s DOE features are superior to Minitab’s. JMP’s “prediction profiler” feature is very convenient for doing “what if scenarios” with process factors. JMP has the same statistical features as Minitab, but they can be hard to find if you do not have much experience with navigating the software. Minitab is a great software package for getting basic statistical information quickly without much training. Having worked in the manufacturing and financial worlds, I believe the software package should be purchased based on the needs of the organization. If you want to optimize equipment, I would purchase JMP. If you are more transactional oriented and need to do basic stuff like capability analyses and T test, I would purchase Minitab. This is an old debate (almost as old as the 1.5 sigma shift debate). I find people tend to like the software package that they were originally trained on.
    My two cents
    Dave

    0
    #124718

    Dayton
    Member

    I worked on a very intricate set of reagent assay DOEs with a scientist who had never done fractional factorial DOEs before and who very quickly set new standards for innovative and effective analysis – even though she was an MIT dweeb she was impressive.   Jo was her abbreviated name/nickname.  I thought you might be one in the same.
     Vinny 

    0
    #124741

    AB
    Participant

    Katherine
    Does your organization have prior experience with either of these? I would choose the one that’s more familiar to the organization. Both minitab and JMP can meet your needs.
    Another consideration should be cost of licensing, support arrangements, previous relationship with SAS.
    Many people here are going to say minitab because that’s what may of us learnt first at GE, but JMP is just as good.

    0
    #127954

    migs
    Participant

    Katherine,
    u can send me your email at [email protected] and can provide you some good inputs. I have used and trained people using both software.

    0
    #127971

    Juggy
    Participant

    well, have u tried statistica??
     

    0
Viewing 20 posts - 1 through 20 (of 20 total)

The forum ‘General’ is closed to new topics and replies.