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  • May 7, 2020 at 3:13 am #247635

    zouhair
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    I wonder nowadays which training must I get lean six sigma or iso (9000,9001 …). we’re in 2020 and things getting sophisticated so please advice me.

    and thanks in advance.

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    May 8, 2020 at 10:11 pm #247676

    Strayer
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    It depends what you want to do.  ISO 9000,9001…  are standards.  They tell you what you should be doing in order to be compliant, but not how to get there.  Lean six sigma is about how to get there — achieve high quality and efficiency without regard to compliance with bureaucratic standards.  Very different things.  For analogy, consider public education today.  There are standards for what students should know at each grade level and tests to measure whether or not they know that.  But these standards don’t teach students anything.

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    May 9, 2020 at 4:47 am #247680

    Shamshul othman
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    ISO is a quality management system. The whole quality delivery system or how to ensure your products and services are at the specified quality level. Therefor it’s a huge system that is a working system managed by a QA Manager of the organization. While Six SIgma is an optimisation procedure, a tool set that can be used to improve or optimise just anything. Six Sigma does exist in ISO through some elements or ISO 9004 series. Vary according to organization emphasise, in some organization it’s being supervised by QA dept but from where I came from it was done by the Strategic Management dept as we were looking at a broader range of improvement subjects. So it’s up to you to weaponised yourself with a suitable tool. I learned both and a lot of them, just take them one at a time and you’ll be good.

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    June 11, 2020 at 7:45 pm #248346

    Thomas Pyzdek
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    I agree with @Straydog that Lean Six Sigma and ISO are very different things. However, they are related to each other. As @Bagan says, there is a place for LSS within ISO. LSS is a way to achieve greater levels of excellence within the ISO management system. But there is also a place for ISO within LSS. Namely, in the Control phase of DMAIC. The control phase is the last phase of the LSS improvement framework intended to lock in the improvements permanently. ISO is a great way to bake the improvements created by LSS projects into the quality management system.

    In other words, it’s not ISO or LSS, it’s ISO and LSS.

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    June 14, 2020 at 2:29 pm #248384

    Pedro Alexandre Marques
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    Good topic for the forum. I agree with you all.

    ISO 9001 provides a framework for a management system. On the other hand, Lean Six Sigma can regarded not only as a methodology comprising a toolbox where techniques and tools are used throughout the phases DMAIC roadmap (or even a DMADV, IDOV or other DFSS roadmap), but also as a management system. Annex SL (a ISO guide used to standardize the structure and terminology of all international management system standards) can actually be used to establish relationships between ISO 9001, Lean, and Six Sigma.

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