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  • #45351

    Tierradentro
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    No Harry fans here.
    The Arcade facility was moved to Elma, NY in the late 1980’s.
    Harry had nothing to do with the original roadmap. Maybe you want to check on the members of SABA in 87 / 88. You will find people from Arcade and the facilities Bill Smith was from but no Harry (everyone laughed at him).

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    #147992

    Lebowski
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    What is SABA?
    We have Reigle claiming that Harry’s stuff goes back to the first half of the 1980’s and that Perez-Wilson took his Logic Filters. Is the Arcade stuff the same thing? People trained by Harry or so Reigle will claim.
    Lebowski

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    #147994

    Eric Maass
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    Lewbowski,
    SABA stands for “Science Advisory Board Associates” – it is sort of an honor society within Motorola for technical and scientific contributors. People who have been given this honor meet on an annual basis. I believe that the gentleman was speaking about one such annual meeting of SABA when Mikel Harry or Reigle might have given a presentation to the SABA organization.

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    #147995

    Anonymous
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    Lebowski,
    Something to think about …
    According to the ‘GE’ version of SS, allowing a ‘guardband’ constitutes a robust design. To my mind, nothing could be further from the truth.
    Robust design for chemical processes is more straightforward than mechanical processes, so I’ll start with a typical semiconductor process, and without using any statistics.
    One plots a family of the curves for the process – something we used to call ‘characterisation.’ This approach has the added advantage of ‘testing’ the equipment. You choose a flat area to operate in and then use scaling to position the process on a flat part of the curve over the target. Easy, peasy …
    For mechanical assemblies one has to work at the sub-system level, and desensitize the output to any variation in the input. In the case of a stack of disks, one could simply use a spring washer to take up any slack.
    In the case of an image setter, one can use a very, high speed film handling system – much higher than required – and then scale it back to the target speed using gears. This has the effect of reducing any edge speed error, and eliminates many defects, such as stuck film, misalignment, etc.
    Clearly, allowing for a process shift has very little to do with robust design. In other words, GE’s version of SS is built on very shaky ground.
    Motorola SPS in Austin did not use this ‘theory’ up to 1990.
    Why don’t Japanese companies use this theory?
    Andy

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    #147996

    Bash Me Too
    Participant

    Lebowski:
    If you had checked Dr. Harry’s personal wesite, you would have discovered that he was a member of the Motorola Science Advisory Board (SABA) and the GEG Scientific and Technical Society.  Again, facts are better that speculation.

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    #148006

    Tierradentro
    Participant

    Harry became a junior member much later.
    He was never accepted as having a legitimate role.

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    #148086

    Lebowski
    Participant

    Like I said in an earlier post the more you put up on the forum the more you convince people that you guys in the Harry camp are a little unbalanced. Just prior to the Monitor shutting the last post down your comment concerning Perez-Wilson attending Harry’s class pretty much confirms that you are Reigle since you would need to be inside the camp to have access to that information. So what if Perez-Wilson did attend a Harry class, what does that mean? It means nothing. Your implication becomes anyone who attends a Harry class that anything they do subsequently is because of the wisdom gained from Harry? That is some pretty bizarre logic.
    Now, you have tried to paint me as being obsessed with Harry. Actually I have explained this position repeatedly and as usual you don’t want to accept responsibility for your actions. Lebowski began posting because the Harry camp is selling this line that says it all flowed from Harry. No problem except the abusive way you attack anyone who doesn’t buy into the BS or that doesn’t accept Harry as the one path to heaven. As much as you Reigle/Spoon/Bash Me Too have tried to jam Harry down everyones throat there have been people such as Stan that have stood their ground and told you what nonsense you are selling. You respond with quazi-data, personal attacks and disparaging remarks around the Discussion Forum. How much of what Correction posted would have made it to the Discussion Forum that you monitor? The answert is nothing. The only thing that will show up is whatever will support your contrived position.
    It ha become very clear to most of us over tha last few weeks that the concept od Six Sigma came from Bill Smith, the shift from Bill Smith, the process from Perez-Wilsom/Western New York guys which leaves Harry contributing the name DMAIC and the name Black Belt and the justification for the shift concept which is probably the most attcked concept in the entire Six Sigma philosophy. You hang onto that piece because it is his only contribution unfortunately it is not even a critical piece. We have seen successful consultants take the position that it is mentioned in training but it has no effect on the tools used in the methodology beyond capability.
    If You guys want to be held in the same light as a Deming and Juran then you behave in the same classy way they always behaved. You seem to think you can behave like thugs and still be treated as the greats in the quality field. It won’t happen Reigle. Harry becomes a footnote and guess what? Nobody will remember you at all.
    Lebowski

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    #148089

    Lebowski EMT
    Participant

    Geeze….. another and an all-too-typical “Great Lebowski” whisky sodden rant.     I’ll check when I get home, but I think this last one was from the Bowling Alley dialog.    It had to be from around that timeframe, looking at the multiple misspellings, rambling diatribe and complete inability to just “let it go”, because that’s about the time Lebowski, not ever a highly competent and constructively dynamic soul, really started to unravel.   
     
    Lebowski, listen to me, please, soon there will arrive a truck with very nice men in white uniforms who will gently place you in a very snug arm-hole-less vest and you’ll have a nice rest – think about it, it’s right up your alley, help dressing, a free ride, drugs, and an endless availability of the co-confined to debate the origins of Six Sigma with you.
     

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    #148095

    Spoon
    Member

    Lebowski:
    You are certainly free to believe whatever you like; however, your biases are clear.  The long length of your last post is ample evidence you are obsessed with the accomplishments of Dr. Harry.  OK, so you don’t like him and you are on personal crusade to “save world” from the “Harry Camp.”  You really need to obtain and examine the facts.  While you point the finger of bias, your own bias is displayed in the frame of anger.
    Dr. Harry is well recognized and published, been given many awards, recognized by many of the world’s top leaders, has hundreds of thousands of web-site entries, best selling author, and list goes on.  Yet here you are pounding your keyboard in an effort to expound fact-less opinions relying on the heresay of a few other cyber bashers so as to “make your case.”  Well, I hate to tell you, but such goofy tactics don’t fly except in your own mind.
    No matter how hard you try, the facts are the facts and your opinions are your opinions.  Obviously, your opinions are not consistent with the many documents that are openly available.
    I wish you the best and hope you can eventually “recover” from your public displays of professional jealousy and animosity.  Good luck in all your endeavors and learn to give credit where credit is due.  While obsessions can make this difficult, a little break might bring your perspective back to reality.

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    #148097

    Spoon
    Member

    Lebowski:
    As a simple demonstration of my point, recall that one poster said that Dr. Harry was “booted out of ASU.”  This is NOT true.  Simply go to the website right now and you will find the following information:
    The Ira A. Fulton School of Engineering at ASU provides a transformative educational experience for engineering and construction students, giving them the knowledge and skills they need for success in a technically oriented career. ASU’s faculty is recognized as world-renowned leaders in quality, business, and statistics. We have collaborated on this intellectual capability with the Dr. Mikel Harry Six Sigma Management Institute (SSMI) providing application based education and training in the area of Six Sigma. We teach in a context that encourages the creation of new knowledge-teaching and research are connected. In addition, we provide lifelong membership to a large, diverse, and collaborative network of six sigma colleagues, leading to continued professional growth, relationships, and personal fulfillment through the collaboration with the Six Sigma Management Institute. This shows that Dr. Harry is still aligned with ASU.  So why would someone else attempt to say otherwise.  The answer is simple: professional jealousy.  Its the type of human emotion that has driven them to a point they feel a “need” or “compulsion” to accomplish their task at any cost, even if it means spreading false information.  So why would you stoop to such tactics yourself?  I think Bash Me Too and the others are right.  You need to get the facts before you point your finger, otherwise you just look like another cyber basher.
    My advice to you is equally simple.  Just regain your perspective and present your case with facts, not opinon and 3rd party heresay.

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    #148099

    Thinker
    Member

    Who gives a damn who invented DMAIC ?  15 years ago every major company had it’s own version of PDCA. There were dozens of them !! The real credit goes to PDCA.
    As to Harry claiming credit for the rest of six sigma, if it was any thinking person they would be claiming they were not resposible for all it’s nonsense.  Even Dilbert knows that six sigma sends companies to the bottom of S&P !!!!
    Mario is smart enough not to have anything to do with Harry’s crazy 1.5

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    #148102

    Mr. Reigle Spoon AKA Bash Me
    Participant

    You cited –
    “The Ira A. Fulton School of Engineering at ASU provides a transformative educational experience for engineering and construction students, giving them the knowledge and skills they need for success in a technically oriented career. ASU’s faculty is recognized as world-renowned leaders in quality, business, and statistics. We have collaborated on this intellectual capability with the Dr. Mikel Harry Six Sigma Management Institute (SSMI) providing application based education and training in the area of Six Sigma. We teach in a context that encourages the creation of new knowledge-teaching and research are connected. In addition, we provide lifelong membership to a large, diverse, and collaborative network of six sigma colleagues, leading to continued professional growth, relationships, and personal fulfillment through the collaboration with the Six Sigma Management Institute. “
    Please tell about the wild success of this large diverse and collaborative network. Also please tell us why you waste time here with such a network to turn to?

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    #148104

    Waste
    Member

    knowledge-teaching … I guess it takes a Dr. Harry to drag an entire generation of students to such depth and enlightenment.. :-))))).

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    #148105

    Spoon
    Member

    Lebowski:
    First you say Dr. Harry is no longer with ASU, then I post the FACT that he is.  Now you say, OK he might be with ASU, but its not a wild success.  Do you have any idea how many students have been enrolled in the ASU six sigma program?  Of course you do not know.  You can only post speculation, not facts.  Again, your jealousy and contempt shows through like a gold fish in a fish bowl.
    At this point, I will no longer engage in your misrepresentations and obvious attempts to sidetrack your dearth of facts.  Your motives certainly seem to be personal and not professional in nature.
    I’m not sure why you fear the facts and try to ignore them as if they did not exist.  It would be very easy for you to say “OK, you have a point here Spoon, I was wrong.”  The facts say you were wrong, but you still insist on being right (based on your opinions and heresay).  We all know you will not fess-up to your error, simply because you don’t like the facts, you only want opinions that support your harmful perspective. 
    Enough said.  If you would like the last word, please post, but I will no longer respond.
    I wish you the best in all your endeavors.

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    #148106

    Mr. Reigle Spoon
    Participant

    Okay, you have my interest. How many people have enrolled in ASU’s Six Sigma program?
    Please also tell me about how many people are in the network and how I can join.
    Thank you for your professionalism and open minded approach to our converstaions.

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    #148107

    Lebowski
    Participant

    That wasn’t my post.
    As I said before All my days are wonderful. I lead a blessed life.
    Lebowski

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    #148109

    Mr. Reigle Spoon
    Participant

    Me too.

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    #148117

    lurker
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    Dear six sigma consultants all,
    Who in their right mind would get mixed up with such a vicious bunch of ratbags as you lot ?  
    Is this what your version of “quality” is all about ?
    Reigle, your pseudo-religious “bless me”‘s have about as much sincerity as the heads on Enron.
    Leave the poor guy Lebowski alone.

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    #148130

    Spoon
    Member

    Lebowski are you posing as lurker, you devious little man ?

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    #148133

    Inverse
    Participant

    Spoon:
    I suspect both you and the other guy are trying to bring your mentor into disrepute. In other words, your objective is the inverse of your stated opinion! I wonder why? Is he difficult to work with?
    Inverse

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