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  • January 31, 2009 at 5:17 pm #51765

    Wilson
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    I got offered a position in industry with a contractual agreement that I would have the opportunity to get my Master Black Belt in Lean Six Sigma.  Now that I’ve earned my LSS black belt certificate, I’m concerned that’s it is not legitimate.  The instructor for the course is supposedly a GE Master Black Belt even though he’s never worked at GE.  Is this possible?  The stamp he put on our Black Belt test says he is a Master Black Belt from the GE Institute.  The black belt test we took was supposedly the GE test, but it was filled with typos and misspellings (e.g., “compassion” instead of “comparison,” “manger” instead of “manager”).  I just didn’t feel like GE would put out an official test like this with so many mistakes.
     
    Members of our class will be getting a certificate that says “NAME has satisfactorily fulfilled the requirement by GE Institute, and equivalent to the ASQ, to attain professional status as a Lean Six Sigma Black Belt Team Leader.”
     
    I’m supposed to continue on under this instructor to get my Master Black Belt in LSS.  First I’d like to know if what I have right now, the LSS BB certificate, would hold up as an official Black Belt if I took it to another place of employment.  Is the Black Belt only recognized by this company that I’m currently at?
     
    Thanks for any advice you can give!

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    January 31, 2009 at 6:44 pm #180404

    Darth
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    RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN!!!! Gee, he claims to be a GE MBB but never worked for GE. Gee, the test is unprofessional and full of typos. I’d be calling the cops on this one for fraud. Does this GE Institute have a website we all could check on? What kind of company do you work for and what kind of vetting did they do on this guy?

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    January 31, 2009 at 7:30 pm #180407

    Wilson
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    I’ve searched several times for a “GE Institute,” but can’t find anything.  I’m afraid I’m receiving a black belt certificate made at Kinko’s instead of GE.  Is there a way to check somebody’s black belt status?  Could I write to GE and find out if he has a belt from them?

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    January 31, 2009 at 10:25 pm #180408

    Darth
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    Unfortunately there is no central registry. If you are angry enough, post his name on here and possibly someone would know of him. We have lots of former GE folks on this site.

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    January 31, 2009 at 10:54 pm #180409

    luke skywalker
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    I’m happy to help, as I have a particular passion for feather merchants. Let me know and I can provide offline contact info.

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    February 1, 2009 at 3:50 am #180410

    Darth
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    Son, thanks for helping. I have been hearing screams which must be a disturbance in the Force. The Evil Empire is feeling some pain. Hope the Force is protecting you. A young padiwan’s spouse has been a recent victim of the Empire. Long live the Jedi.

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    February 1, 2009 at 5:45 am #180413

    a.j.
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    g.e. will not certify unless you are a g.e. employee!!! you may be getting smoke blown up it!

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    February 1, 2009 at 5:48 am #180414

    a.j.
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    no red flags here your approved!!!!

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    February 1, 2009 at 8:02 pm #180427

    luke skywalker
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    It would seem that the Empire has located the rebellion’s current hide out, as the death star is powering it’s primary weapon for a demonstration of force.  Tick tock…Rough time to be a Jedi.

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    February 2, 2009 at 2:16 pm #180445

    MrMHead
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    Does any of the material have the GE meatball on it?
    Do they say GE means General Electric, and not Giant Eagle . . or Great Expectations . . or . . ?
    You say the certificate says “Team Leader” – does it say Certified as a Black Belt?
    I would be suspicious too.  But as many threads here have mentioned, what you do after training/certification hopefully weighs more than where you got your piece of paper.

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    February 2, 2009 at 4:02 pm #180453

    SiggySig
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    As a current GE BB, there is no certification outside of GE employees at this time. There is no such thing as the GE Institute, unless GE stand for something besides General Electric.This guy is a fraud at worst, and totally misrepresenting himself at best. What did he charge for the “certification”?

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    February 2, 2009 at 4:10 pm #180455

    Mikel
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    Diane,What is the guy’s name? Maybe Darth is right and we know him.

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    February 2, 2009 at 5:29 pm #180463

    Ron
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    Their are many very poor six sigma and LSS certification activites going on..
    If you did not work at GE it is possible that you went through BB as a supplier but I never heard of one obtaining an MBB.
    Keep in mind that GE is not the mecca of six sigma and in recent years has digressed to having folks take a test and that is it.
    In the later 90’s and early 2000’s they had a good program but that was about it.
     

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    February 2, 2009 at 5:49 pm #180468

    Mikel
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    That and most who claim to be a MBB from GE were not. Many were GB trained and some were the miracle MBB’s ordained in the two week hand waving exercise conducted by Mikel Harry at Croatenville.

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    February 2, 2009 at 6:09 pm #180470

    Nolan
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    All this supposition as to whether this is a legit GE program or not is silly. Diane, you must be in a position to determine who they really are. I mean, you paid them some money right? You signed an agreement right? You know where you first made contact with them right?
    Why ask us if they are really GE or not?

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    February 2, 2009 at 6:15 pm #180472

    Kluttz
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    I have no doubt at all that this guy was legitimate.  Of course, I also think that the guy driving down my street in a black Econoline van offering free mammograms was a board-certified Ob-Gyn from Harverd University.

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    February 2, 2009 at 6:36 pm #180473

    Wilson
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    I know it sounds unbelievable, but the “MBB” guy here is in a top management position, and he is untruthful.  Even if I asked him (which I have in the past), he does not give a straight answer.  I can’t push much in my current position as lay offs are happening weekly, and he is known to fire people who don’t agree with him.  I just wanted to know if GE institute was known to anyone, and if it’s possible to get a GE belt without working at GE.  I do know he’s never been at GE.  I did not pay for the training — it was offered as something I’d have the opportunity to do by working for this company.  I appreciate everyone’s feedback — it has been very helpful and given me information to look into!

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    February 2, 2009 at 6:39 pm #180474

    GB
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    I’d draft up a summary of all that was discussed here, especcially the “no such thing as the GE institute” part and drop an anonymous tip to ethics.  Your MBB/Boss is obviously evading your attempt at due diligence.

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    February 2, 2009 at 7:15 pm #180476

    BTDT
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    Diane:Do not challenge this person directly any longer.Your training certificate may have no more legitimacy than any other. Knowledgeable hiring managers will not put any more credence in it than it deserves. When you are interviewing at your next company, make sure you talk about the projects you have worked on much more than where you received your training. That should help you for establishing your own credibility. By the way, does the training material bare the GE logo? GE is very protective of its logo and reputation. If you feel he is misrepresenting himself or his professional association with the “GE Institute”, then this person can face severe consequences of his actions from people other than you.For some clarity on these issues you can send email to Gary Sheffer (Executive Director Communications & Public Affairs). His contact information can be found at http://www.ge.com/news/contacts/index.html, or try the general information line at 203 373 2211. Call from home or your personal cell phone and use your personal email account.Best of luck,
    Alastair

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    February 2, 2009 at 7:27 pm #180477

    BTDT
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    hbgb b^2:The only reference I could find to the “General Electric Intitute” is a 1940s cookbook entitled “The New Art of Simplified Cooking From the Kitchens of the General Electric Institute”.Maybe this guy really is on the level, in a weird, ironic, perverse kind of way.http://cgi.ebay.com.my/THE-NEW-ART-OF-SIMPLIFIED-COOKING-GE-INSTITUTE-1940_W0QQitemZ7008656539QQihZ012QQcategoryZ29223QQcmdZViewItemCheers, Alastair

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    February 2, 2009 at 7:57 pm #180478

    Wilson
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    Thanks for the contact information.
    In most of his Power Point presentations, there were always a handful of slides that he said were GE slides.  You could tell they didn’t match the other slides because they looked a little “foggy” (yellowish tint).
    I agree that I really need to concentrate on my projects now and put my full effort into them.  I will back off the certification and do a little behind the scenes checking as you suggested.

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    February 2, 2009 at 8:02 pm #180479

    Wilson
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    Ah — I know this name.  My “MBB” boss said the MOST important article we had to read was by Mikel Harry.  He gave us all copies of it — in fact I have it in my cube right now.  It’s called “The Nature of Six Sigma Quality.”  It says that Harry is with the Government Electronics Group — could this be the GE that’s used on his MBB stamp?

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    February 2, 2009 at 8:47 pm #180481

    Mikel
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    Is the “MBB” guy there former GE?

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    February 2, 2009 at 8:59 pm #180484

    Taylor
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    Evidentally I can’t say the guys name because they removed my post
     

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    February 2, 2009 at 9:49 pm #180486

    GB
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    Oh, Sweet niblets!!!

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    February 2, 2009 at 9:50 pm #180487

    Wilson
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    The “MBB” guy is this instructor I’ve been talking about; he is definitely not from GE.

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    February 2, 2009 at 10:54 pm #180488

    Wilson
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    February 2, 2009 at 10:56 pm #180489

    Wilson
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    Removed by Moderator

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    February 2, 2009 at 11:00 pm #180490

    luke skywalker
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    Ouch. What a hack.

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    February 3, 2009 at 1:20 am #180491

    Taguchi
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    Please don’t pretend that you are innocent after spoiling the guy’s image in this manner!

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    February 3, 2009 at 1:40 am #180492

    Whatsup
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    Diane is this your guy ….. J. Kenneth Feldman is a Six Sigma Master Black Belt and technical director with George Group. He has a doctorate degree and more than 30 years of experience helping organizations improve quality and performance. He has worked in such diverse industries as healthcare, pharmaceuticals, steel, corrugated containers, printing, higher education, chemicals, food products, paper, U.S. Military, financial services, electronics, automotive, paint, ink and others. Prior to joining George Group, Ken was a senior vice president in the quality and productivity group at Bank of America. He coached and taught Green Belts, Black Belts, Master Black Belts and managers.

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    February 3, 2009 at 1:27 pm #180508

    Wilson
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    Someone else is posting under the name “Diane.”  I do not know Dr. Kenneth Feldman. 
    Thanks for everyone’s feedback.  I’ll discontinue posting as I have enough information to judge the relevance of the certificate I received.

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    February 3, 2009 at 2:17 pm #180512

    Mikel
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    Ken is a friend of mine and is definitely not at Diane’s company.He is very competent and would not need to fall back on claiming GE
    (although it would be true in his case).

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    February 3, 2009 at 2:20 pm #180514

    GE Guy
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    I know Dr. Ken and he is an extremely talented and knowledgeable Master Black Belt. He couldn’t have been Diane’s instructor since he is now with Accenture and before that with Bank of American and GE where he was my MBB instructor.

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    February 3, 2009 at 2:28 pm #180515

    Stevo
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    Stan – How well do you really know him?  And are you really the best character witness?
    Stevo

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    February 3, 2009 at 2:42 pm #180519

    Mike Carnell
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    Diane,
    That is pure nonsense. I have known Ken for several years and there no way he would waste 5 minutes on someone that was willing to throw up such a pathetic string of posts.
    We have enough people running around this country with some excuse of being a victim of some one or some company. This is a growth opportunity for you or a total fabrication. Either way leave Ken out of it.
    Just my opinion

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    February 3, 2009 at 2:49 pm #180520

    Stevo
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    Mike,
     
    This sounds like this Feldman dude trying to drum up publicity for himself.  Maybe he has hired an agent.  “Any press is good press” Brilliant.
     
    Stevo

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    February 3, 2009 at 3:14 pm #180521

    Mike Carnell
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    Stevo,
    I am willing to stick up for him at some level. Brilliant? Don’t you think that is a stretch? (that should bring him out of hiding)
    Regards

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    February 3, 2009 at 3:19 pm #180522

    GB
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    What did I miss???
    Holy Canoli.
    Stevo, shoot me an email when you have a moment.

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    February 3, 2009 at 3:36 pm #180525

    GB
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    It’s clear that one of the Diane’s is a fake and is ripping on Ken, a noted, lauded and accomplished Practitioner.

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    February 3, 2009 at 3:43 pm #180527

    Mike Carnell
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    or an observer?

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    February 3, 2009 at 3:52 pm #180529

    J. Kenneth Feldman, PhD
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    I just got an email from a friend suggesting that I check out this link. Since I rarely visit the site due to work time constraints I find it interesting that I have become an object of debate. I thank those who have said positive things about me and deplore the apparent back stabbing taking place by an internal person.

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    February 3, 2009 at 4:07 pm #180532

    ?
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    It makes sense that someone of your capabilities and with your work load is unable to visit this site often.
    What does that say about Stan – last year’s most prolific poster? Hhmmm….. And he professes to run three Fortune 500 deployments worldwide. Wonder what he’s smokin’.

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    February 3, 2009 at 5:08 pm #180534

    MrMHead
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    Maybe it’s the wrong Feldman.
    Diane,
    Did he look like this:
     

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    February 3, 2009 at 5:09 pm #180535

    MrMHead
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    . . . oops –  my image of Marty didn’t come out. 

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    February 3, 2009 at 5:35 pm #180537

    Taylor
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    hb you have even corrupted Alastair

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    February 3, 2009 at 6:40 pm #180539

    Darth
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    Just had a chance to check in and saw this thread. Fortunately I know Dr. Feldman although I wouldn’t say we are friends. He is very experienced and competent and whoever is trying a hatchet job on him is way off base and out of line.

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    February 3, 2009 at 9:26 pm #180548

    Taguchi
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    Impressive CV!

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    February 3, 2009 at 10:41 pm #180552

    Greg S.
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    Dr.Feldman and Darth, they are the same person. Of course you guys
    are not friends if you are the same person. DON’T BE A HYPOCRITE

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    February 3, 2009 at 11:29 pm #180554

    BTDT
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    They are different people and easy to tell apart. One appears hard, yet is soft on the inside, while the other has amazing, almost unnerving insight.Cheers, Alastair

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    February 4, 2009 at 12:57 am #180555

    Darth
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    Thanks for the compliment but no sale.

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    February 4, 2009 at 1:06 am #180557

    Darth
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    Yeah, that Whatsup guy must really worship him to make up that kind of CV. And to think some idiot thinks we are the same guy….I wish. But then again, he probably doesn’t have a picture of him and Deming on his desk.

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    February 4, 2009 at 2:13 pm #180583

    GB
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    Greg S.,
    Darth and Ken, the same person?
    While I admit that would be an earth-shattering reveal, alas, it is not the case…
    would be cool though!   

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