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    Danny W.
    Participant

    Hello everybody,
    my name is Danny and I work as quality engineer in a medium sized company. I would propose the Six Sigma system to my top management, but I believe that traditional Six Sigma is to heavy to support.
    Is there anybody who knows about the existence of a “light Six Sigma?” and in case, could you suggest me any literature or paper to have some information. 
    Thanks

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    #106539

    mand
    Member

    Danny´Course you could eventually find by yourself much of what you´re needing if you only dedicate some time to navigate about this isixsigma portal.Hope this´ll help. Wish you the best luck. Sam.

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    #106595

    Rick Tucci
    Member

    Danny;
    With the disclosure that my firm is a vendor of products for companies looking to implement Six Sigma in a faster and more economical way, I would be happy to send to you a few Whitepapers we have authored on the topic. Feel free to email me at [email protected] .com or call 312.633.0994.

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    #106624

    murthy basaour
    Participant

    Hi Danny
    I would not say “light six sigma ” but I have guided/ implemented a number of projects using a more user friendly approach to DMAIC. The approach uses all the tools generically used except the emphasis is on simpler statistical tools, user friendly DOE and simplified inferences from Taguchi’s othogonal array applications. I had this implemented in many companies with very little time on job training, producing as much savings as 8% of turnover through either cost/scrap/non value addition  reduction.
    If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me
    murthy

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    #106625

    PB
    Participant

    Danny,
    It is good to know that you want to implement Six Sigma but in a small way. I am of the opinion that you (maybe personally) may have to learn all of Six Sigma (BB course) to get some understanding of what you ultimately may want to initiate. If you have a lot of statistics in your quality approach, maybe you do not want SS.
    My 2 cents.
    PB

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    #106665

    Pomara
    Member

    I’d be careful about calling it “Six Sigma Light” because many practitioners are concerned (rightfully so) about 6S becoming diluted. That said, I had a similar concern about a full deployment and how leadership would accept my pitch. So we used a “stealth” approach to build a case and demonstrate the value in the DMAIC methodology and some of the more basic tools.
    Our approach looked something like this: (keep in mind this was in a transactional environment, you made need to make some changes for manufacturing)
    Establish operational improvement goals
    Make sure current processes are documented and understood
    Verify that current processes follow current best practices (if applicable)
    Identify what needs to change to follow best practices (gap analysis)
    Make improvements that eliminate, streamline, and automate (what’s left) to achieve best practice process(es)
    Review operations measures for evidence of success of what was changed
    Analyze operations measures for future improvement opportunities.
    Some tools to support  this effort
    Process Mapping (especially helpful for cycle time issues)
    Value Stream Analyis
    Pareto Analysis
    Cause – Effect Diagrams
    Histograms
    FMEA
    Brainstorming
    In a nutshell, we used some key metrics to identify a couple of projects. We built a case for improving the metrics based on VOC and obtained sponsorship for these projects. We applied the 80/20 principle to the Six Sigma body of knowledge and chose the simpler and more frequently used tools and provided training to the project teams. Carefully ran the projects using DMAIC and published the results to leadership.
    Results were hard $ savings, improved cycle time, reduced defects and happier customers and employees. Leadership is happy and has given thumbs-up to a more comprehensive roll-out.
    Hope this helps and good luck!

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    #106683

    howe
    Participant

    The stealth method is used widely.  Six Sigma Consultants have created a vision of high costs, massive training, and requirement for CEO direct involvement….which really works in many cases, but which may be impractical for some companies and their current culture.
    So some “low hanging fruit” can help change the culture somewhat.  But its missionary work.  Who pays for training in this company?  What statistical software is already in place?  What LEAN training have they had?  LEAN-SIGMA might be a better approach and name as its widely accepted.  Keep the lean ideas that they may be over-using without data.   Add the data-driven Six Sigma tools gradually until you can get some short term (3 month) projects going with good results.  The George Group and others use the Lean-Sigma approach.  Check out their web site.  Also ASQ web site. 
    BUT….the only really effective major cultural change will require CEO-driven effort.  Deming warned his students not to accept work unless the CEO was the sponsor.  Middle-up and Middle-down methods are common, but never really change the culture effectively. Top management can destroy or create culture over time, but middle management can only react temporarily, unless they can capture the CEO’s heart and soul with some real success stories.  Bossidy and Welch are quoted often on this subject.  But much of what they did also was used to eliminate jobs, a real driver.  Some major Japanese companies now use Six Sigma with the metric “heads out the door” and call it “American Mgmt Method.”   Unless the company can GROW when it increases productivity, jobs will be eliminated and people will fight the system and slow it down.  Keep that in mind.
    Mike Clayton – [email protected]

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    #106685

    John Palka
    Participant

    Whether you implement Six Sigma, Six Sigma-Lite, or Carb-Smart Six Sigma (Doesn’t every product have a low-carb variety?), the following are critical factors in achieving a successful implementation:
    Customer Focus / Process Management
    Training
    Teamwork
    Tools- Use of Quality, Lean and Statistical Tools
    Top-Down Deployment
    Total Involvement
     

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    #106687

    Heebeegeebee BB
    Participant

    For the small sum of US $2,155.33 plus a goat, 2 chickens and a wallaby, I will train and certify you as a “Certified Chimichanga”©
    -You will learn to apply statistical rigor to the art of reading entrails
    -You will learn how to “Chimichanga-ize” your resistors
    -You’ll be able to leap tall buildings in a single…oops, wrong certification.
    it’s a good deal…
    -El Guapo, the Certified master Chimichanga.

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    #106784

    Markert
    Participant

    Heebeegeebee BB:
    I only have $1298.89. Will you accept a ’73 Pinto, a NYC subway token, a 32 gallon bag of beer cans and a 11 year old yak as trade? The yak will come in handy keeping the grass down near the trailer, just in case you live near BillybobBB. The do tend to eat the chickens, and fight with the dogs living under the porch though.
    If I can convince the Stans, Darth, and Dr. 1%Waldbert Really really regular guy now you’ve done it simply concerned Muffin’s mentor JP Womack Peter Senge Bernard Mandelbrot Michael Dell La Fong and his 75 screen names to attend certification, could you give us a group rate for 85?
    Is the chimicanga suitable for framing? I would like to display it prominently, preferably without refrigeration.
    Will I have to do the entrail reading by hand, or may I use Minitab? I heard about a BB program where calculations were done by hand. Bush league. {Not to be confused with Bush-Cheney League.}
    Please advise. Thanks.

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    #106802

    Darth
    Participant

    Phil, you can count me in.  Unfortunately, I bring only one screen name so I don’t really add much to the 75 attendees.  I just hope that the program is more rigorous than the doctoral program that 1% etc. keeps bragging about.  I can also contribute some used capes to the bounty so maybe we can also afford some tequila with the chimies.  Best regards from sunny south Florida….no wait, that’s a hurricane knocking at my door not the bill collector.  Got to go.

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    #106807

    Mikel
    Member

    You can count us in as well, but with also only one screen name we’re only good for one of those 75 slots as well.Darth, you owe us updates as the water is rising around you on Saturday – don’t forget the Jack.

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    #106811

    Darth
    Participant

    Shutters are up and all bunkered in.  Looks like a lot of rain and wind but certainly not the same problem as Charley and Punta Gorda.  Given the Hispanic flavor of S. Florida, I have opted for Jose and Don Julio to keep us company.  Looks like Ivan is on the way to visit as well.  Will have to keep an eye on him next week.  Relocation to Santa Fe is looking better and better.
    And, who u kidding with the one screen name….it covers at least a dozen people according to Phil.  Reigle can account for a bunch along with that crazy 1% guy.  Heck, we might even have enough for our own Forum.  Add the JOC and we can spend hours a day insulting each other and demonstrating how smart we are :-).

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    #106817

    Obiwan
    Participant

    Well Darth…now I know what you do when you are not teaching!
    One day you will be the death of me!
    Obiwan

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    #106824

    Struggling with the Heavy Way
    Member

    Try reading some books like “Six Sigma for Everyone” by Eckes.  Good Luck

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    #106832

    Darth
    Participant

    My my Obiwan, you are busy today.  Always glad to read your posts.  I would think you would be in the kitchen whipping up one of your delicacies for a Friday night dinner.  Take care.

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    #106859

    mcintosh
    Participant

    This is the first time in 4 years I posted a response. I have always tried to just listen and learn. It is a shame to see so much wasted talent in a forum centered on reducing waste. It is also a shame for the people seeking credible dialogue to have to filter through this waste.

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    #107001

    Heebeegeebee BB
    Participant

    Oh my…yet another “Ivory tower, Holier-than-thou, No-sense-of-humor, Playa-Hata” on the boards…
     
    Lighten up Tom…
    -El Guapo, the Certified Master Chimichanga ©

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    #107009

    RubberDude
    Member

    I agree, Tom.  I do wish there were a chat room where these guys could sit and take out their frustrations on each other without clogging up the forum.  I’m like you… trying to learn.  But, I also like to have my input if I think I have something to say or, (as we say in the hills here) “have a dog in the fight.”
    I’m sure your post and mine will be a “waste” in some people’s eyes, but I also think it had to be said.
    Put a mark on your side of this issue, Tom.

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    #107011

    Darth
    Participant

    While I agree with Rubberduck and Tom that possibly some threads get a little carried away…..but I am troubled that Tom states that this was his first post in 4 years.  How about contributing a little now and then?  Even an opinion has value.  It’s almost like complaining about the results of the presidential election when you haven’t even bothered to vote.  Cast your ballot and join the fun.

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    #107015

    Mikel
    Member

    You ever consider he may may know what his opinion is worth? (unlike many of us)

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    #107017

    Darth
    Participant

    Hey, I’m trying to be a nice guy and encourage the guy to participate.  If he ever says he wants to put in his “two cents” then we know what his opinion is worth.  Until then, let’s encourage him to post more frequently than once every four years.  Guess it is analogous to the election.  If he pipes up once every four years to complain and didn’t vote or post then we can ignore him.

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    #107019

    no name
    Participant

    The problem is that you guys are somewhat
    sanctimonous and demeaning. The poor guy has an
    opinion and the two of you make light of it. I’ll bet he is
    real motivated to post again after reading Stan’s and
    Darth’s comments. Your occassional “value added” posts
    do not off set your unprofessional behavior. This is my
    two cents. No doubt you will run me down too.

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    #107020

    Mikel
    Member

    You are correct. I want Tom to post, it’s that No Name poster that I am trying to discourage. Has that No Name guy ever added any value on here?

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    #107022

    Darth
    Participant

    No Name, I agreed with his opinion that the threads get a little carried away.  I also suggested that he participate in the Forum and not sit for four years and then jump in with a complaint.  I’m sorry, but it is my opinion, that if someone sits on the sidelines and takes for four years, they really need to be giving back something before complaining.  He is certainly entitled to his opinion but has to expect that under the circumstances, he might receive some feedback.  And how do you know he is a “poor guy”.  Does he need you speaking for him?  Let him speak up, offer advice, voice opinions, take the heat if needed and help move the Forum in a positive direction.  I believe that if you don’t contribute, regardless of whether it is this Forum or anything else, then you really aren’t in a position to criticize and complain.  Again, the analogy of the election.  If you didn’t bother to vote, then you really can’t be complaining about whether your candidate loses.  You had a chance to make a difference and decided not to.  Just my opinion.

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    #107023

    Mikel
    Member

    Has Frances given you religion or something? I like the sarcastic Darth better (but then again we all hire in our own image).

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    #107025

    Markert
    Participant

    1%, is that you?
    Stop rattling their cages with that stick.
    You’re scaring them!!!

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    #107026

    Med
    Participant

    Hi,
    of course you could visit http://www.qimacros.com
    and be supported by external consultant or your External audit for this approch to implement
    Good luck
    Med

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    #107027

    1
    Participant

    Actually, no, it was not.  I always make up a name.  Failure to come up with a unique and entertaining name, in my opinion, demonstrates a poorly thought-out posting and reflects poorly on the instigator.  It must be some other malcontent.  Fell free to whack him/her roundly.   1%        

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    #107028

    Solo
    Member

    To ALL,
    It is my humble opinion, based upon the very short time that I have observed much about, learned more from, yet contributed little to this forum, that any threads that get off-topic should be “subjected” as such.  For instance this thread…  I, you, or anyone else for that matter, open a post expecting a discussion about, in this case, “Light Six Sigma”, only to find ramblings, mud slinging, jokes, critiquing, honest concerns about the forum itself, or any number of discussions other than the one the original post intended.  This is wasteful and frustrating for some, and entertaining and fun for others…
    PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, if you get off topic (which is fine!) at least have the courtesy, for your six sigma peers, to change the subject line to reflect said change in topic.  That way, those who wish to ramble, sling mud, joke around or critique may do so, and those who only wish to observe/learn from/read/respond to a “productive” six sigma topic thread can ignore that post if they so choose.  (Even I enjoy a good joke every now and then…)
    EVERYONE has the right to use this forum in the manner in which they choose, even critics (1st amendment, right?).  However, the key to that right is to be respectful, and allow others to decide which discussions they wish to be involved in, and which ones are productive uses of their time, by honestly stating the subject of your post…
    Let us all, as Darth said, move this forum in a positive direction!
    Respectfully,
    Solo

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    #107029

    Darth
    Participant

    Very thoughtful post and a point well made, thanks.  I, for one, will attempt to take your suggestion to heart. 

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    #107030

    1
    Participant

    Can we still make up funny names?    That means a lot to me – being a simple scholar turned engineering guru(ish) kind of guy.   Thanks for your consideration of my question, and I promise never to get off topic again – ever.  You can count on me.   I agree with you and that Darth fellow – let’s move forward in a professional manner and ONLY talk about Six Sigma methodology and deployment.    Oh,… but…. did ya hear the one about the frustrated Six Sigma Ananias who kept backing into his explication de texte?   It seems he was really a sine qua non poseur…     Sorry, but I love that one.     1%

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    #107031

    Darth
    Participant

    Stan, I am merely trying to assume a higher level of posting and bringing peace and contentment to the Forum.  Recent glimpses of the Grim Reaper have caused me to reflect more deeply on what is important in this world.  Discussions with Jose and Julio over the past week have left me more somber and dances around the Porcelain Receptacle more open to other’s feelings. 
    Hozho 

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    #107032

    Darth
    Participant

    And no, making up funny names, especially those of evil space guys is immature and not professional.  And what the heck is 1%?????  I figured it was the percentage of UC PhD grads who didn’t use peyote during their matriculation there.

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    #107033

    Terry
    Member

    Thanks, Solo, for your comments. I think you speak for a good number of readers, including myself, that feel the same way. I’m glad you voiced your well-worded thoughts and hope that we can move forward more productively as a community.

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    #107035

    1
    Participant

    At the risk of offending the on-topic among us….
    Ah, yes, the divine cactus…   Nope, then it would be signed  <1%        It's the percentage of UC PhD grads who have made it in the real world – realizing that "real world" is relative and has little to do with Six Sigma and/or the Motorola of antiquity.    1%
       

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    #107036

    Solo
    Member

    1%,
    Thanks for the reply! 
    As to your first question:  Yes!  I believe it is within the spirit of this forum to make up funny names.  After all, just in case I ever write anything on this forum that is just completely stupid, why would I want you to know that my name is Jose Jimenez and that I live at 15 Avenida Rafael Melgar Sur, Cozumel, Mexico and that I work at Analisis de Chimichanga as my companies first Black Belt.
    As to your second question:  I’ve never been to Belize…
    Juntarse contigo, mi amigo!
    -Solo
    P.S.  I also promise never to get off topic again…  Ever… 
    P.S.S.  Although, I must say it was kind of fun!

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    #107038

    1
    Participant

    Solo – You’re OK.   Peace Dude (don’t worry, that’s just my UC Berkeley formatting again).     1%

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    #107039

    Solo
    Member

    Terry,
    Thank YOU,  and the good number of readers of which you scribe, in support of this belief!  It is possible to accomidate both sides of the aisle on this forum.  It is only a matter of communication within the community.  Isn’t that what a forum is all about?
    We can have the best of both worlds…
    -Solo

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    #107040

    Scholar
    Member

    You are way off target Darth. Some merely want to
    extend their foundational learnings through this site. The
    frequency of their posts need not correlate with their given
    right to retain (or state) an opinion. Again, some
    participants on this site simply want to ask questions and
    learn. Many are not technically capable of making a
    significant contribution to your level of expectation.
    Sometimes the most frequent posters on this site get
    carried away and take on the attributes of a law
    enforcement specialist, where the quasi-laws they seek to
    enforce are written and modified by those committing the
    crimes. Such cyber-behavior does not reflect well on your
    organization. Several times you have been cited for your
    positive contributions, but there have also been justifiable
    occassions for professional admonishment. The public
    nature of your corporate representation should give you
    cause for reflection, especially in the eyes of those that
    are less experienced and look to you for leadership. Most
    will never say anything, but will carry their impression of
    you for many years. This is my trivial opinon and vote of
    one.

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    #107042

    Darth
    Participant

    Wow, Scholar, your post name says it all…at least in your mind.  A couple of thoughts.  First, I have already said it many times, everyone is entitled to an opinion on this forum.  No one will argue that.  As a result, they should always be prepared for a counter opinion, sometimes gentle, sometimes not.  That is what spirited debate is all about.  Check out the current political goings on.  Some want to watch and learn, that’s fine also.  Why is his opinion valid and my comments off target?  Ah, I see that is your opinion and so it goes. 
    Second,  the original focus of this thread was an individual who hadn’t posted in four years with his first post being a complaint not a topical opinion.  I encouraged him to make a contribution of any sort.  Sorry, I still feel strongly about Lurkers who take but don’t give except to complain.  If the opinion had been about a topic of discussion, great, but it wasn’t.  Then, that is merely my opinion.  As for making a “significant contribution to your level of expectation” that is a ridiculous statement as well.  I am far from being able to judge that. 
    Third, how did this become a matter of “your organization”?  Are all posters representing their organizations?  While many seem to know who I work for, the truth is that I am merely familiar with certain organizations as a result of some close friendships with Associates who do work there.  The truth be revealed, ala Stans, I am an independent consultant with some experience in certain financial institutions and have “borrowed” a pseudo name from someone else. 
    Let’s try to encourage more people to voice opinions, make contributions and develop debates of differing views.  We have had some great threads on this Forum.  We are all here to learn from each other.  But there are some out there who would rather wait and pounce than debate the issues or the content.  Let’s dispense with making things personal.  Finally I applaud you for using an inappropriate law enforcement analogy rather than the Cyber Nazi one used previously.

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    #107071

    Political Junkie
    Participant

    If Six Sigma were a beer, I think I’d prefer mine dark and smooooooth. Now to change the subject…
    Thinking you’re entitled to complain just because you show up to vote is like the corporate VP who thinks that just because he goes to steering committee meetings means he’s entitled to complain about the level of Six Sigma savings.
    There’s more to the democratic process than just voting. People love to show up to vote, and then complain about a lack of good, inspiring candidates. The question then is: “Why didn’t you find someone who would be good candidates, get them to run, and help them get onto the ballot?”
    I’m not telling what party I’m affiliated with, but I’ve run for public office and recently recently returned from being an alternate delegate to a big convention in NYC. There’s a lot of people on all sides who volunteer a ton of time and money in support of candidates and ideals they believe in. If we’re not willing to work just as hard through the entire process, what right do we have to complain about them not inspiring us or not showing more concern for what we want?
    That’s my 2 cents – about all I have left after that trip.

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    #107079

    Heebeegeebee BB
    Participant

    Hey Solo,
    I copyrighted the term, “Chimichanga”.   Maybe “the Cowboy” could recommend a good sleazebag copyright lawyer…
    Hands off, Pachuco!
    ;-)

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    #107097

    Nobody Expert
    Participant

    Agree fully with you.Hope this would initiate a new cooperative attitude,regards.

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    #107353

    Fernando Barros
    Participant
    #108227

    Heebegeebee BB
    Participant

    Hey Phil,
    Sorry for the long delay.   I’ll take all on the list except for the Yak…I had a bad experience with an amorous yak during the war and…ugh…having…yak…f-flashbacks-s…
    AAAAAGH!
    -El Guapo, the Certified Master Chimichanga ©
    (Borracho Belt classes are in development.   Stay tuned!)

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    #108239

    Markert
    Participant

    My Gosh, Heebeegeebee!!!!
    Why the heck would you want to open up this thread again!!!!
    Unless it’s time to play {cue the theme music} “The Best of isixsigma.”
    Now folks, I didn’t reopen this thread. Heebee did, and under the terms of our agreement, when a funny, or tragic line of communication surfaces like a bloated carp outside of Rubberdude’s trailer in the warm water of a pond in Arkansas, {which by the way, enables Rubberdude to just skim dinner off the surface rather than waste a fly} we highlight it. Dinner is served, including the six dogs living under the porch!
    Well, there’s all kind of funny stuff on that thread. Look, I didn’t really want to read each and every one of the posts, but look for some funny stuff about 1% and his failing mental facilities, a lot of whining and promises no-one could ever keep, and some bashing of some of our more regular posters. Not to mention a sweet deal provided by Heebeegeebee for training we can use on our CV.
    Enjoy!!!!!

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    #108283

    RubberDude
    Member

    Phil,
    I’m sure your only interfacing with “hillbillies from Arkansas” has been watching reruns of The Beverly Hillbillies on TVLand, so why would you want to “bash” someone whom you do not know and have no knowledge of his culture?
    I do not live in a trailer.  When I cast my flies, it is in search of Rainbow, Brown, or Brook Trout…. NOT carp.  And I fish in the beautiful tailwaters of the Spring, Little Red (home of the worl record German Brown Trout), White, or Norfork rivers, not a pond (cement or otherwise.)  My dogs (well, my fiance’s dogs) are two loveable Yorkies that do not live under the porch (which would be quite a feat since it is blocked in.
    I think if you actually read my postings, you could see that I am an articulate, educated person.  Not Jethro.
    But, then again, ignorance is blind.
    I have no need to bash anyone, but do like the occasional joke on here as long as it is not at anyone’s expense.  I wish to be afforded the same.  However, when I’m bashed, I will bash back.

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    #108300

    Mikel
    Member

    Phil,
    Any state that gives us Clinton and Klipsch speakers can’t be all bad.

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    #108302

    RubberDude
    Member

    Thanks, Stan….
    Not to mention Hiram Walker whiskey and all the rice to brew Bud/Busch……. oh… and Remington ammo……..

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    #108314

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Rick,
    This is one of those posts where, for a few weeks better judgement had kept me from responding. When this thread showed up again and this response was still floating in the punch bowl someone needs to respond.
    While at BHP one of our HR guys attended a conference and signed up for one of  your (you were supposed to be the workshop leader) “faster implementation” workshops. Whoever your lieutenant was that showed up in your place spent time discussing the “tyranny of data.” It is Six Sigma there is not a non-math approach. 
    Paraphrased, the proposed method was a problem discription, brainstorming, and implement a solution. That doesn’t qualify as Six Sigma in my book. It is traditional thought with more tradition than thought.

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    #108326

    1
    Participant

    “…. you seem to be an OK dude…”   No, actually sarcastic weenie is pretty much on target.   And truth be known, I’ve spent a little more time in Arkansas than alluded to.   I went to University of Texas – Austin for undergraduate and we played University of Arkansas often enough to get used to seeing the red plastic pig hats and drunks yelling “suuueeeeeeee…” which never made as much sense as the burnt orange longhorn hats and drunks yelling “hook-em horns…yo Bevo..”   And then SMU for my masters and we played Arkansas whenever we weren’t on NCAA probation for exceeding the salary cap for our players, then to UC Berkeley for my doctorate – and I guess we had a team there and might have played games and might even have played Arkansas.  At UC-B I saw laboratories, libraries, Labrador retrievers, Frisbees, and some really cool tie-die but I didn’t see any football – at least I don’t recall it, which is probably another story.    

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    #108330

    RubberDude
    Member

    “….drunks yelling “suuueeeeeeee…”….”
    There you go talking about me again…….
    So you DID see the “pretty part” of Arkansas (sans the drunks…. although I’ve seen some very nice looking drunks in hog hats, halter tops, and cut offs, as well as in tied up burnt orange tees, at early season games myself…..aaaahhhh… the memories….)
    I’m sure the reference to you being a “sarcastic weenie” was actually drilled down from comparing you to Norbert Weiner (early 20th century mathmetician.)
    (BTW – Horns beat the Hogs this year due to a stupid fumble by our nationally fourth ranked QB, Matt Jones….. but NEXT YEAR!!)

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    #108331

    Mikel
    Member

    Ah! Is it correlation or causation? Labs & tie-die, poor recall…..

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    #108332

    Mikel
    Member

    The Hogs haven’t had a real team since Holtz.
    Go Gators
     

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    #108335

    Darth
    Participant

    I hadn’t realized that UCB had a doctoral program.  Did you have to actually go to class or just mail in your course work on bar napkins?  If you want to talk football how ’bout dem Canes?  And I ain’t talking about Charley, Ivan, Frances and Jeanne.  Did a bunch of consulting in Morrilton, AK a number of years back.  Found a sucker to bet the game every year.  Talk about a sure bet.  Got my first exposure to fried pickles in AK.  Them AK folks sure know their culinary delights.  There was also some kind of local tradition regarding frogs.  Can’t remember what that was.

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    #108336

    1
    Participant

    Hmmm…. Good question.   Special cause or common cause variation and correlation or causation relationships???….      For the unique environment at UC-B, I’m thinking normally common cause variation and correlative relationships with occasional variable interplay shifting to special cause variation with causation relationships.     Which means long periods of very lucid recollection interspersed with shorter and thankfully infrequent episodic periods of no/limited/confounded recollection.   Go Golden Bears!!!  WAIT.. THAT’S RIGHT!!!!  We did have a football team!!!  Cool…  

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    #108337

    RubberDude
    Member

    I tend to agree.  One of the biggest DA decisions ever made in college football history was when Frank Broyles let Holtz go.  Of course, the argument that letting Kenny Hatfield go was a close second.
    However, now we have a Nutt for a coach.  If he stays (even after Matt Jones is gone) for a few more years, I think we have a chance at a good one again.
    Give me 7 1/2 on the game this weekend?
    GO HOGS!!

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    #108338

    RubberDude
    Member

    Darth,
    What company in Morrilton?  That’s my hometown.  I worked for Morrilton Plastics (AKA Interstate Mfg) and Arrow Automotive.
    BTW, AK is Alaska,  AR is Arkansas…. common mistake…. but my dad was with the postal service, so I’m picky about that…..
    I was probably that sucker…. LOL
    Fried pickles were probably at the Loner Drive-In in Atkins.  Conway, AR had the Toad Suck Dayz festival, which could be the frog tradition you are referring to.

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    #108340

    RubberDude
    Member

    Your football team was named after Jack Nicklas?

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    #108341

    Mikel
    Member

    HOGS at the swamp – time for a barbeque.
    7 1/2 is the official line – you’ve got it. What’s the bet?

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    #108342

    Darth
    Participant

    RD,
    The company was Arkansas Kraft, a division of Green Bay Packaging.  You are right on the frog thing, I knew it had something disgusting to do with frogs.  Kissing a frog is OK but sucking it leaves a bit to be desired.  Check these sites out for a little nostalgia.
    http://users.aristotle.net/~russjohn/toadsuck.html
    http://www.americaslibrary.gov/cgi-bin/page.cgi/es/ar/toad_1
    http://www.judygerber.com/toad_suck.htm
     

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    #108343

    Darth
    Participant

    Might I suggest a six pack of Jack…has a nice ring to it.

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    #108345

    1
    Participant

    Gee…  I guess so.    Never saw the connection until now, but it makes sense.  A lot of what appeared to be over weight golfers hung around campus in the fall and early winter.    They must have been alumni going to the games.  Now it all fits… 

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    #108347

    Mikel
    Member

    Hey, we could bet the Florida – Miami game except the Canes are still crying about Florida laying down on the field so that the Canes could score.
    I will go a round of Tequila in Charlotte on the Hog – Gator game or give me 14 on Tech. Brock (Gator throw away) does not have it in him to win by two against a bunch of smart guys from Tech.
     

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    #108348

    RubberDude
    Member

    Kraft is under reorganization and downsizing.  I have a lot of friends who have been downsized.  Some with 20 or more years there.
    Did you ever work with Charles Spivey or Bruce Netherton?  I worked for Charles at Arrow before he went over to “the paper mill.”
    More importantly…… Jose’s, Blue Bonnett, or Yesterday’s?

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    #108349

    Darth
    Participant

    That was over twenty years ago….most of the Gator team members have graduated by now so time to get over it.  I have no stake on the AR/FL game.  But will go with the GT/MIA game.  But if you are soooooo confident why do you need soooooo many points?  A real man….defined as one who drives a vette not a little pony….would make a scratch bet.  You up for that?

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    #108350

    RubberDude
    Member

    Three of my best “under the porch” dogs (Skeeter, T-Bone, and Darlene….. OK… JuneBug is my best one… but she keeps me warm at night), one bloated carp, and the ’72 Ford truck on blocks in front of my trailer… but it has a good gun rack.
    What are you offering?
    Hogs look good in gater shoes…….

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    #108351

    Darth
    Participant

    Too bad about Kraft.  I did some early Deming and quality stuff with them back in the late 80’s.  Bruce was the head guy there wasn’t he?  The quality guy was Lynn Smeltzer.  Stayed at the Holiday Inn and ate alot at the Waffle House which was probably the best place in town.  We did wander out to some of the local spots but it was almost 20 years ago so the memory has faded a bit.  We also did some training atop Petit Jean at the Rockerfeller place.  As you can see, I have done it all.  Of course, being a Yankee from Miami Beach, I was well received as you can imagine.

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    #108352

    Darth
    Participant

    Hey, I’m still waiting on his response about the GT/MIA game.  Maybe we can drive him into bankruptcy.  Ah, but I forget how many of them there are so their combined resources and assets must be limitless.

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    #108353

    1
    Participant

    I hadn’t realized that UCB had a doctoral program.  Did you have to actually go to class or just mail in your course work on bar napkins?….
     I keep telling you, Dr. Darth, it was a VERY rigorous PhD program.  The napkins always had to be JUST so, e.g., no stains, penmanship could not become increasingly illegible on a single napkin, Budweiser ads could not obscure or be the basis of original research, and most difficult of all – if you mailed in more than one napkin per envelope you had to number them (front and back, folded and unfolded) you could not just stick them in the envelope and expect your research supervisor, or in the case of a bunch of napkins on a single topic stuck in the same envelope your dissertation committee chair to line them up in your intended order.   A lot of folks fell out of the program (or off-the-stool in the case of those doing extensive field research).   It was tough.  I’ve got the tie-dyed t-shirt to prove it.   

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    #108354

    Mikel
    Member

    Hey good one on the Florida guys graduating by now. You and 1% seem to me having memory problems though (were the college years very good to you too?), it is actually 31 years ago this year. The NCAA record setting quarterback for Florida grew up a block away from me. Who was that guy anyway?

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    #108355

    Mikel
    Member

    I’ve got a cat and a 22 and a 24 year old kid I’ll put against the dogs, carp, and truck. The kids have great potential but their present value is less than what you are offering.

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    #108356

    RubberDude
    Member

    Jack is no good.  They have cheapened their product again.  Use to be 90 proof, then 84 proof, now 80 proof…… Sounds like they’ve instituted Lean Manufacturing…….
    Give my money to the Canuks…… Crown Royal……You can even keep the bag.  I have enough of those.

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    #108357

    Mikel
    Member

    We’ll go straight up on the Tech game. I’ve got a feeling that someone is about to let the Canes know they have joined a real conference, not that high school league they have been in.
    The word around here about the Vette guys is they have small……feet, if you know what I mean.
    See you in Charlotte and bring Tequila money.

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    #108358

    Mikel
    Member

    We can do Crown – definitely worth more than the kids.

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    #108360

    RubberDude
    Member

    Yeah, Holiday Inn was in Conway…. and the Awful House was the best slop there at that time.  Burce was the HGICC and I remember Lynn now.
    Conway has probably at least doubled in size since then.  Morrilton hasn’t changed.
    Petit Jean is still just as pretty as it ever was……

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    #108361

    RubberDude
    Member

    Set ’em up barkeep!!!
    Woooooo Pig Sooooie!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    #108362

    Mikel
    Member

    My bad – it was 33 years ago next month.

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    #108363

    RubberDude
    Member

    R U a “Ramblin’ wreck from Georgia Tech – What the hell am I doin’ here?”  My former boss is a GT alumni.  Lost a few bets with him in the past…… LOL

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    #108364

    Darth
    Participant

    Time flies when you are having fun….Spurrier????  Trying for the record so he could win the Heisman?  Not big on Gator history.

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    #108366

    Darth
    Participant

    You are on.  I will be staying at the conference hotel.

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    #108367

    RubberDude
    Member

    Hmmmm…. Come to think of it, I was up for a consulting/training thing in the late 80s for Kraft.  Seems like some outfit from Florida beat me out……

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    #108368

    Darth
    Participant

    TA DA!!! Here we be.  We were personally linked to Deming in those days which made for a powerful marketing approach.  We worked throughout the entire GBP organization.  Bill Kelly was the Q guy for the company.  Nice guy.  But GB in the winter was not fun.  We were definitely not the lowest bidder.

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    #108375

    Mikel
    Member

    No points for the wrong answer.
    John Reaves
    Spurrier was the 66 Heisman winner edging out some Purdue slug named ?

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    #108376

    Darth
    Participant

    Hometown favorite Bobby Griese.  Reaves never amounted to much.  Here is the true account of that fateful day.
    http://www.jags-top25.com/news/viewnews.html?date=1030973078

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    #108390

    Mikel
    Member

    Sure – give us the hometown spin on a gift. Florida was just feeling sorry for Miami for being such a miserable team. Remember this is the same Cane team that lost to U. of Tampa. Tampa gave us Freddie Soloman (49er legend at wide receiver), Paul Orndorf (Mr. Wonderful of TBS wrestling fame and short time Chicago Bear) and a left handed quarterback who wound up with the Dolfins that was better than that Perdue slug only on he threw too hard and it was spinning the wrong way.
    Repeat after me – the Gators were being charitable.

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    #108400

    Rick Tucci
    Member

    Mike:
    Thanks for the note. By no means do I take any offense with your comment. My firm has tried to advance a view to the community of Six Sigma Practitioners that there is more to Six Sigma than statistics. Our view is that a robust tool kit that effectively applies both hard and soft analysis tools will yield faster and better results. We have strength in our convictions about this based on our client experience and based on the under-reported failure of many Six Sigma initiatives due to issues like the “tyranny of data”, which simply says that data is not intelligence and should be used wisely and not as a stick to prove a non-provable hypothesis.
    No doubt this message can rub some folks the wrong way and I’m also sure that, in some public forums we have made our point in a way that suggests the classic Six Sigma data and analysis approach is of limited utility. We have great respect for the power of analytical approaches to problem-solving. We simply offer a view that says there is a place for experienced -based, consensus decision-making in any large-scale change effort.
    If you’d like to dialogue further on this topic please give me a call at 312.633.0994. Your insight and perspective would be welcome on how our position might be better presented to avoid mis-interpretation of our intent.
    Rick Tucci, Leap Technologies, Inc.    

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    #108424

    Thai
    Participant

    RD,
    Speaking of the “pretty part” of Arkansas, have you spent much time on the Buffalo River?  Probably one of the most beautiful rivers to float…

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    #108432

    RubberDude
    Member

    Kirk,
    As a matter of fact, during my college years, I spent many a drunken weekend between Erbie and Gilbert sucking suds and observing the natural beauty of the bikini clad canoers who would trade a “flash” for a brew…….
    Later years, I matured into wading the Buffalo a few times trying to entice a smallmouth to rise and gulp a fly off the surface.  Oh… and of course still trade the flash for the beer……
    And you are right… it is one of the most beautiful streams I’ve ever been in….. and I’ve seen a lot of them.
    Nowdays, on the upper portion…. beginning…. about now in fact… you can hear the bellowing bugle of bull elk touting their wares to the cows….. Wonder if they could get a flash for a beer?

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    #108441

    Thai
    Participant

    Brings back memories…I have waded the Buffalo as well, only with a pack on my back and on a crisp day in November (water got into my pack and created the world’s largest potato when it reach a box of instant potato flakes…)

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    #108448

    RubberDude
    Member

    I can relate.  My favorite story is from a camping trip last year (One time….. at band camp!)  We noticed one of the duffle bags had swelled to the point that it was about to rip open the zipper.  When we unzipped it, we discovered that one of the campers had brought several bags of those frozen yeast rolls.  Instead of storing them in a cooler, he had left them in the bag out in the sun.  Since they were still in the bag, he thought they wouldn’t rise.

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    #108458

    Darth
    Participant

    Local favorite Bob Griese who went on to an illustreous football career unlike the winner of the trophy that year.
    For the history buffs:
    http://www.jags-top25.com/news/viewnews.html?date=1030973078
     

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    #108521

    RubberDude
    Member

    CONGRATULATIONS, STAN!!
    Florida Gators 45
    Arkansas Razorbacks 30
    Your prize of “Three of my best “under the porch” dogs (Skeeter, T-Bone, and Darlene….. OK… JuneBug is my best one… but she keeps me warm at night), one bloated carp, and the ’72 Ford truck on blocks in front of my trailer… but it has a good gun rack.” may be picked up anytime at Bubba’s All Night Tire, Lube, Liquor, Guns & Ammo, Adult Book & Novelty, Bait & Tackle, Pizza & Chicken R Us Store located 2.3 miles down the third dirt road past the WalMart in the beautiful scenic resort town of Possum Grape, Arkansas……

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    #108529

    Darth
    Participant

    Gosh Durn It, then that means I get those flea bitten varmits since Stan lost his bet with me.  Guess it is timely since my wife’s dog died a few weeks ago and she is lonely.  Since I don’t have me a porch down there in S. Fla and the plumbin is indoors, I hope they are trainable.

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    #165996

    Jeff Hutchinson
    Participant

    I had never heard of Six Sigma Lite until an IBM consultant came in and started telling us all of our gaps and all of the IBM solutions that will fill our gaps.I am a black belt through General Electric and I am aware that Lean Six Sigma has become a new approach.Can anyone point me to the Six Sigma Lite methodology so I can be educated on this? Any certifications would be appreciated as well.Thanks,
    [email protected]
    http://www.hutchbp.com

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