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    Laura
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    I’ve been doing the job of a MBB for a long time now and would like to get the title (certification) with minimal travel. Any suggestions?

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    #181640

    Nolan
    Participant

    Upgrade to Power Point 2007 which has some great templates and create a certificate. Congratulations!
    PS: That may seem flippant, however this is the same process most have used.

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    #181642

    Les is My Hero
    Participant

    And the process is superior to that used by some out there selling materials.

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    #181644

    Sloan
    Participant

    Why don’t you have the company that you work for simply declare you to be a master black belt? That’s pretty much how everyone does it anyway. There aren’t any universal standards for MBB certification though if you look around you could probably draft some common elements.

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    #181645

    Nolan
    Participant

    Outlier’s advice is correct, inline with what I said yet not as flippant.
    My experience has been MBB’s have two skills beyond that of a practicing BB – 1) ability to instruct; typically classroom, 2) serve as the go-to mentor; that is, know the correct answer for nearly all impediments one may encounter as a belt.
    One training firm I was with defined curriculum beyond DMAIC; TRIZ, Advanced DOE and a bunch of other silly stuff in an attempt to give the title some meaning but it really comes down to the two things above. So, as Outlier says – call yourself one and you are one.

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    #181647

    luke skywalker
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    Well, at least we made you come to class to boot modules a few times. Nice salad bowl though.
     
    Cheers!

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    #181648

    Laura
    Participant

    Thanks for the info. I wish it was as easy as just giving myself the title. I guess that will work if I decide to look for another job. In the mean time, my current company will not consider me a MBB until someone else says I am. Despite the teaching and mentoring of BBs and being the “go to” person for all their improvement and change management questions.

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    #181650

    mauro
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    Laura, I don’t know if this is going to help but here it is. I got my BB certification ( NC State Univerity ) and then I got certified by ASQ, I’m on the same boat as you are, I have mentored Black Belts and Green Belts and 3 years ago I completed the Lean manufacturing track and my group at work has completed over 60 Kaizen Events but I don’t call myself a MBB for lack of certification. Here is a link to IES ( Industrial Extension Services ) at NC STATE, they have a MBB program lead by Dr Blanton Godfrey, they are top notch in my book.
    http://www.tx.ncsu.edu/sixsigma/mbb/
    Good Luck
     
    Mauro 

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    #181653

    Sloan
    Participant

    Uh oh, I’ve been called out by my teacher!
    What I meant to say was “That’s pretty much how everyone does it except us!”
    But seriously. There isn’t a universal standard for MBB certification, but if you took a poll, I’ll bet you would find an agreed upon core set of skills and required experience.
    However, the part that is true in what I said is that any company with a program can set their own standards for what constitutes “MBB.” A contientious program will require mastery of a broader range of skills and some ability to teach those skills to others. It will usually encompass some more classroom training, some defined baseline level of experience (number of projects led or coached, minimum productivity measured in $$ etc.) a peer review and THEN you get the salad bowl.
    One other possibility might be to look into the ISSSP Six Sigma Profiler tool. For about $1,200 (I think) you can take the assessment (995 for members) and it will give you a profile score which will gage your overall mastery and experience level. Scoring high enough on he maturity scale could give you justification to refer to yourself as “MBB.” They will even give you a “certificate” showing you where you rank.
    Just a thought.
    (Thank you Luke for bringing me back from the dark side! Perhaps I’ve become a touch cynical in the last few weeks/months. I’ll try to maintain a more positive outlook.) 

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    #181654

    Darth
    Participant

    Outlier, I too was disappointed in your reply. But guess this article reinforces what the Jedi have been saying for years despite the attempt of the Evil Sith Lord to get rid of us.http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/02/24/bank-of-america-heiress-what-kind-of-idiots-are-running-that-b/

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    #181655

    Nolan
    Participant

    Like I said – you can teach it and help others solve problems – you are an MBB. (Lot fewer words than Outlier but the same point.)
    PS: ISSSP thing means nothing. Outlier says “…you score high enough on the…” – what the heck does that mean? Pick a score & call yourself a MBB, I guess. I stand by my original post – MBB’s are MBB’s because they say so.

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    #181658

    Sloan
    Participant

    My comment about scoring high enough is simply a reference to their published scale that ranks you against peers in Six Sigma who have taken the profiler. I’m not endorsing it, just passing along information.

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    #181659

    Darth
    Participant

    Outlier, double check with ISSSSSSSPP and find out how many candidates make up the baseline for comparison. Ya might be surprised.

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    #181660

    Darth
    Participant

    Laura, please feel free to contact me offline away from the noise of the Forum and we can discuss your dilemma. @aol.com">drdarth66@aol.com

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    #181663

    ken lewis
    Participant

    when is your next dungeons and dragons mtg darth?  Milton and I want in…..

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    #181692

    Sloan
    Participant

    Hey Darth,
    No, I’m not surprised at the size of their “baseline.” I was at the conference in May in Scottsdale when they rolled it out. The initial baseline was about 15 people (maybe 12). I presume that they add everyone who takes the profiler into the baseline (much the way 360 reviews are done, and we all love those so much). But again, I’m not endorsing the tool, just passing it along. I thought this might be a slightly more credible approach than printing your own certificate in powerpoint.  

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    #181699

    NatEmRef
    Participant

    Laura,   Feel free to contact me…  I can share what we have looked for / required, so you can have a basis for comparison while shopping around.   [email protected]    

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    #181706

    Mikel
    Member

    And what qualifies you to certify a MBB?

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    #181707

    NatEmRef
    Participant

    All a certification (or “degree” for that matter) says is:
    WE (replace with name of ‘certifier’) feel that this person meets OUR definition of TITLE (GB, BB, MBB, BS, MS, PhD, etc.).
     
    True – in some fields, the goverment has gotten involved and set common standards (CPA and MD come to mind).
    In academia, schools are ‘accredited’ by some group.  So – you may ask, who accredits the accreditors?  :-)
     
    We can flame on this for many more posts, and many more days, but let’s not. 
    In fact, there are no universal standards for titles such as GB, BB, or MBB.  But, that will never stop many of us from wanting a third party to confirm / document or level of knowledge  / performance.
     

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    #181708

    Mikel
    Member

    So you really have no qualifications?You are not supposed to advertise here.

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    #181709

    BTDT
    Participant

    [insert name here]:[salutation][Author]Cheers, Alastair

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    #181710

    NatEmRef
    Participant

    Stan,
     
    I do have qualifications aplenty, but to avoid a measuring contest I will decline to post them here.  My MBB mentor is on this board, as are many of the fine folks I have taught and mentored.  Just because you do not know me is no reason to accuse me of having none. 
     
    As for not advertising, I agree whole-heartedly.  I asked to take the discussion offline only because of the sarcastic responses given to a very straightforward original question.  We discussed what questions should be asked and criteria applied by any group offering certification beyond a Powerpoint file applied to paper.

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    #181711

    Mikel
    Member

    I didn’t accuse you, I asked what made you qualified to come on here and offer services. You gave a round worded answer worthy of Les. I suspect you are less than someone who should be certifying MBB’s based on your response.
    You may note that you offer of services has been removed.

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    #181714

    Sinnicks
    Participant

    Laura
    To obtain certification that is recognized worldwide to the ASQ Body of Knowledge, contact the the IIE. They certify MBB at a cost of $7200.00. It is one-on-one coaching and evaluation of the criteria that an MBB should meet. You are not guaranteed certification by simply completing the program. You must be judged to have met the MBB standard and pass an advanced statistics exam. 
    Institute of Industrial Engineers (IIE)
     3577 Parkway Lane
    Suite 200
    Norcross, Georgia 30092
    (800) 494-0460

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    #181715

    Don M
    Participant

    “that an MBB should meet.” – says who?

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    #181728

    Laura
    Participant

    Obviously, this is a controversial subject. To those of you that have provided useful information … THANKS!

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    #181731

    Gary Cone
    Participant

    Laura,It really depends on what you want.If you just want a piece of paper, there are thousands out there
    who will provide that for $$.If you want to test and extend your knowledge, have a mentor to
    fall back on in the future, have someone to help guide you through
    this changing market place, etc.; there are only a handful of good
    choices.Although I don’t say this much, think about the martial arts
    metaphor. Do you want someone who has spent years developing
    their skills or someone who has taken a few karate classes and
    hung out a shingle.For my money, I’d find a 50 year old Korean Master.

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    #181733

    Darth
    Participant

    Or a 60 year old Jewish guy.

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    #181734

    Gary Cone
    Participant

    For Six Sigma – yes. For martial arts – no.

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    #181735

    SiggySig
    Member

    At GE, MBBs often have never been BB’s first, or have much knowledge or aptitude in core Lean Six Sigma concepts. I work for one such guy right now – great guy, good at driving initiatives, but would be hard pressed to survive out in the world with his GE MBB cert in hand.

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    #181736

    Belt up
    Participant

    Gary:I always thought a black belt could only grade up to one level below black belt. In my old dojo that was a brown belt. A black belt has to be graded by a minimum of a 1st Dan – one stripe on a black belt. I know it depends on the style, but there is a rough rule of thumb. I believe Pilates instructors follow a similar pattern.Each person ought to be able to trace their certification through their instructors. If more than one instructor is involved – then one could possibly take an average, or denote each subject :-(If you agree, then someone ought to be able to construct a certification table. (Not me I hasten to add.)

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    #181739

    Darth
    Participant

    Hey Stan,
    As it turns out, I know the guy you are tussling with. He wisely has chosen not to debate you on his qualifications. He is a talented and knowledgeable consultant with some solid credentials and experience. He is far from a Les type of guy. Plus he didn’t pay me to say all of this. Just backing up an old friend and colleague. I would do the same for you if you were competent :-).

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    #181741

    Mikel
    Member

    Fine, I’ll let it pass.I was just raging on him because he came on with the offer of service.
    Our friends at iSixSigma fixed that.

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    #181743

    Anonymous
    Participant

    Better check out Krav Maga.

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    #181745

    GB
    Participant

    Man, I’m gone for a day or three and I missed everything..
    Hope you two are well.

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    #181748

    Darth
    Participant

    Anonymous…studio is right down the street from me. That’s some wicked martial arts method. First you whack them on the head with a Menorah, then you slap them across the face with a Yarmulke and finish off with a blast to the stomach with some Matzo Balls. Finally, you now lay some heavy guilt on them for not calling their Grandmother and you have them at your mercy.

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    #181749

    Gary Cone
    Participant

    Did I mention that my first pick would be a 72 year old Jewish guy – but he is retired.

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    #181750

    Darth
    Participant

    I didn’t know Mikel was Jewish and that old….Oh, I know who you are talking about and he didn’t seem to like me much. Oy Vay!!!!

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