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  • #52036

    SigmaJoe
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    Hi all,
     I was hoping that I could get some advice/help. I have been on here before looking for infomation and it proved worthwhile….so I’m back.
    I am doing a thesis on the benfits of become Lean Six Sigma Certified and I am having problems finding infomation. I have reviewed the ASQ salary survey but it wasnt’ very helpful, it didn’t tell me what the Non-certified BB baseline. I have looked everywhere (well not everywhere, but it feels like it) and can’t seem to come up with anything concrete. I am not asking anyone to do my research but was wondering if anyone knows of any links or websites out there that may have a survey with some useful information. I was hoping to see if there is a statistically difference in salary, or other benefits of becoming lean certified.
    Any information or feedback would be greatly appreciated.
    thanks in advance.

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    #182382

    Don R
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    You have an MSA problem at the get-go. Since there3 is no standard for ceertification you cannot establish who really is and who really isn’t certified. Therefore, regardless of the compensation info you may be able to gather it cannot be relevantly seperated into proper categories – because you don’t know for certain who belongs in which category.
    You’ve just learned one of the basic premises of SS – if you can’t measure it you can’t do much about it. You need to look for another thesis topic.

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    #182383

    Lomax
    Participant

    ASQ might disagree with your statement that there is no standard for certification since they are the most recognized body for certifying six sigma professionals.  Granted, there are other sources, but the reputable ones still work through the ASQ model.  Either way, saying that there is no basis to  establish who is and is not certified six sigma professional is like saying you dont know who is an MBA or not, or who has a bachelors degree or not.  There are tons of studies that show wage seperation based on these credentials, what makes it any different finding the same information related to people owning six sigma credentials?

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    #182388

    Tuguchi
    Member

    You have also to ditinguish betwee  two cases ,for example in the Villanova’s case:those who pass the course successfully plus the virtual project and those who pass the cert.exam successfully! 

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    #182389

    Tuguchi
    Member

    Also I would add that those who jump directly into the exam.without going through the course stages (or material) are fake persons!
    Just my opinion 

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    #182391

    Ken Feldman
    Participant

    Sorry Neil but I can’t accept your dogmatic statement that “reputable ones still work through the ASQ model”. You have no criteria to establish reputable vs nonreputable. Since there is an established national accreditation body for schools of business one can assume that a MBA graduate from one of those schools met at least some minimum level of accomplishment. Since there is no such equivalent body for SS certification you can’t assume some self proclaimed group is the official voice. And I don’t believe even ASQ has the gall to claim that they are the official word of SS and certification.

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    #182392

    Ken Feldman
    Participant

    Joe, our very own iSixSigma did a recent salary survey. Try to get your hands on it.

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    #182394

    SigmaJoe
    Member

    Thanks everyone for their input….
    One of the things that my thesis will touch on is the lack of a governing body for Lean Six Sigma.
    Darth, thanks for the tip. I just downloaded the pdf….excellent info in there.
    cheers

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    #182395

    Don R
    Participant

    SJ, Darth’s input is good, as usual. However, recognize the iSS comp survey has nothing to do with certified or not; what ever that means. Do you understand my point? Cert. vs non-cert. is not a viable basis since you have no standard to judge against.

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    #182399

    J. H. Tsai
    Participant

    Please explain MSA problem. Bias, linearity, stability, reproducibility or repeatability? How you know?
    What get-go?

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    #182435

    J. H. Tsai
    Participant

    Still would like explanation of your cooment concerning MSA. How you know MSA is problem?

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    #182436

    cobb
    Participant

    Salary survey – my foot! Lehmann Brothers recruited the best of management grads with the highest salaries !

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    #182447

    Don R
    Participant

    SigmaJoe’s stated objective is to compare the compensation levels of those certified in SS to those not certified in SS. Since there is no standard for certification, his measurement system is flawed since there is no clear line as to who is certifed and who is not. His measurements are inaccurate from the start because there is no means of being assured he is putting people in the correct bucket.
    Fundamental to any data analysis is the assurance your data is correct. His will not be therefore any analysis of it will be flawed. Clear enough?

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    #182448

    Mikel
    Member

    I agree with donr. People are getting certified by god knows what with materails they buy for $99 from the web. It’s like the degrees you buy in the back of airline magazines.

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    #182449

    Taylor
    Participant

    Stan, which magazine, I need to sharpen up my resume

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    #182450

    Don R
    Participant

    And what do you charge Gary? Or is there no recent data?

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    #182451

    J. H. Tsai
    Participant

    By todays syandard certification is clear. Have certificate you certified. Don’t have certificate not certified. Complicating question by confusing good black belt with bad black belt.

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    #182452

    Don R
    Participant

    Well there you go – clear now!

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    #182455

    Mikel
    Member

    Robert,
    The last time I checked, Gary was not in the market for anthing. Therefore I don’t charge him anything.

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    #182456

    Stevo
    Member

    SigmaJoe,
    $10,000 – $15,000 more.  When asked about your data, site internet survey of thousands of six sigma professionals.  I doubt they will ask anything about response rate.
    Stevo
    Ps.  Go   G-O-N-Z-A-G-A!!!

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    #182457

    Don R
    Participant

    So, $15K more annually for being certified.
    Let’s see should I pay $99 to Stan or say, $25K to a traditional training firm like, say, Global Productivity Solutions. Keeping in mind the great guru Carnell said it doesn’t matter what happens in the classroom, you learn on the floor anyway…
    Hhmmm, which way should I go? Hhmmm….

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    #182458

    Stevo
    Member

    I’m not very good at answering rhetoric questions.  But here goes.  Pick Stan for $99, then get them out on the floor to really learn there job.
     
    Stevo

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    #182459

    J. H. Tsai
    Participant

    Clear to me. You not understand MSA.

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    #182460

    Don R
    Participant

    I was leaning that way Stevo but there’s a lot to think about to come to that conclusion. I was thinking about posting a question to the Forum something like – “What Six Sgima is? What it do for me? How?”
    Then I could decide after I got feedback.

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    #182461

    Don R
    Participant

    Oh, OK JH, see ya around.

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    #182462

    Mikel
    Member

    Stan doesn’t sell anything for $99. Beter go check those fly by night firms that advertise on the top of these pages.

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    #182464

    MBBinWI
    Participant

    I’m sorry, but I wouldn’t consider ASQ much of a standard, anymore at least.  They’ve “dummed down” the requirements to a state that anyone with a couple of firing synapses should be able to pass the test.
    I think that the ISSSP Profiler would be a better “gold standard” but it is too costly.  Companies don’t want to pay, just to have their people snatched away, and individuals find it too costly to take a shot on just to find they are at a level below where they thought they were.
    Just my humble opinion.

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    #182465

    MBBinWI
    Participant

    In general I agree with Don R, because I would want to know that certification was to some agreed upon and commonly recognized standard.  However, I think that the original proposal was that this was “certified” by whatever means, and salary.  If so, then there is only the self-reporting bias.
    J.H. The measurement error would be in criteria to establish certification.  Since there is no common criteria, one person certifed by one entity may not be at the same level as one certified (or not) by another.  That’s what Don R is referencing.  This would be a fundamental problem.  If all certifying bodies had to meet some common criteria (like accreditation boards for MBA’s – that’s where I disagree with another poster), then you could have some confidence that there were at least some common basis for comparison.
    However in this instance, a certification by any entity or not is the standard, not whether that standard has credibility.

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    #182466

    J. H. Tsai
    Participant

    Many companies here certified to ISO standard but quality is not all the same. Same issue. Cerification is clear. Issue is quality of certification. Not the question asked.

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    #182469

    Blitzen
    Participant

    Hey Donr, are you one of Santa Clauses reindeer?

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    #182470

    Hiryo
    Participant

    Oh yeah. Dey fly by night. Be outta here in no time. No can believe they be on top seller list for 2 years. Holy cow!

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    #182471

    Mikel
    Member

    Robert,When people figure out that positing is from you, I believe they will
    consider it racist.I do.

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    #182472

    Hiryo
    Participant

    Cute, Stan, cute. Do you realize not one of your posts to this string has had anything to do with the topic. Your sole purpose appears to be hassling me. And you’re considered a leader here? On what basis?

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    #182473

    GB
    Participant

    Don’t sweat it Stan.   I reported the post to the Mods…We’ll see what happens I guess.

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    #182474

    Blitzen
    Participant

    I assure you this isnt Stan, although I am starting to feel the same for you as he does. You have made no meaningful contribution at all, only regurgitating the same useless information. Continueing to bash Carnell for a symantic, for no reason at all, and you just cant leave it alone

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    #182475

    Taylor
    Participant

    Stan
    Look at his reply to Blitzen AKA Chad Vader. Not hard to figure out now.
     

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    #182477

    Taylor
    Participant

    Don R, Don Robert, Brandon, whoever you are.
    Your point is wrong. And this is why. Regardless of certificate or not, one can assertain whether a person has completed some form of Six Sigma training. For this, companies simply pay more for it, how much more is another discussion. So to continue with Carnells point, it really doesn’t matter what happens in the classroom, you have completed training, what you do with it is another situation all together.
    To say that because no certifying body exist, you can’t perform this analysis is arrogant and quit simply wrong. A saw a Dr post last week in which he said past data was meaningless. Well hell, all data is past tense, your comment recks of the same stinch.
     

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    #182479

    Mikel
    Member

    Wow, Hiryo.How your english has improved from your first post.Not a real smart fellow, are you?And yes, I hassle people who are here to promote and have nothing
    to offer.Hiryo, same message I gave to Brandon, Robert S, Les, and Don R
    (all you as everyone knows) – go away.I can spot you with your new aliases within a few days. I am not considered a leader? Your words, not mine. My job here is
    BS detector and your stuff smells to high heaven. Just doing my
    job.

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    #182480

    Mikel
    Member

    I am surprised his son hasn’t had him committed. Scot, I’ll testify in your behalf.

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    #182481

    Mikel
    Member

    Heebee,I hope they do nothing. The next time this fool shows up I’ll put the
    link back to Robert S Don R Les Brandon as the japanese pretender.

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    #182482

    Mikel
    Member

    I wondered how long it would take before someone figured out I was
    calling him a reindeer (in text message english of course).

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    #182486

    Ken Feldman
    Participant

    Stan, if what you are saying is true, then the new Webby should be banning this guy as per Jessica’s new rules!!!! OK, maybe we all use a name or two for fun but not to the extent that you are claiming. So far, it looks like Webby is only interested in censoring Carnell’s harmless posts.

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