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  • #37746

    J. Nelson
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    I am currently a certified black belt and would like to get a master black belt certification. I have the knowledge, experience, over 10 projects, but don’t have the time to travel and sit in class room.
    Is there a MBB certification test anywhere?

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    #111705

    GrandPooBa
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    I have researched into all the obvious schools and acadamies, and have not found one that offers a non-residence MBB program unless they are somehow affiliated with the 6S training program of your organization….then it is done on a case-by-case basis…ProSigma (I think) has a 2 week in residence, which is the shortest I have run across in my limited research….good luck and let me know if you find one…I would be interested myself.
    GPB

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    #111709

    Darth
    Participant

    Wow, another great leap forward in bringing credibility to the certification process and legitimacy of the profession.  Just send Vinny, Rubberdude, Stan or Phil $5,000 and they will mail you a certificate along with the color belt of your choice.  Sorry, Vinny has a special this week of $3,995 and you get 10 copies of Dr. Harry’s book and Stan’s White Paper from the Great Debate.

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    #111717

    Mike R.
    Participant

    As a new guy to the forum, I lack the context for appreciating satire.  The lack of audible verbal inflection makes comprehension even harder. 
    Darth, I think you made a good point dude, and if you disagree with what I’m about to say, please write to let me know.
    A doctor is not as good as the school he came from.  He’s only as good as he is good.  The accredited school gives him some claim to legitimacy, but he could still be a total train wreck when it comes to medicine.
    I’m giving myself my own damned Master Black Belt.  You know why?  I’ve done several good projects. I teach Black Belt and Green Belt well, and have for 4 years. My students get results.  I know the stats and the roadmap like I know my mole-infested yard..  I can and do use this approach to make money for the companies I consult for.
    I defend this stupid philosophy in the face of doubters every day.  In its true form, Six Sigma is fearless, rigorous, and ruthless.  As I do it, Six Sigma rocks.  Dammit, Jim, I’m a doctor.  And a good one.
    Fact is, there IS no standard for any belt, am I right?  Everyone stupid enough to put MBB on a resume without the skills to back it up deserves to sit through countless unsuccessful interviews.  They deserve to be fired when I can’t deliver. Conversely, any manager stupid enough to hire a college grad, a mechanic, or a Master Black Belt simply because he/she can produce a diploma or cert deserves to get burned.
    Wow, do I sound harsh.  Maybe I should go back to bed…
     
     

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    #111721

    Dog Sxxt
    Participant

    If your goal is to have a MBB title. Send 50 bucks to any roadside priting shop in Manila to get them printing a MBB certificate under Motorola, GE or whatever institute you can name it. This is a best investment compared to spending a few thousand bucks for a MBB class.
    If your 10 projects saved 10 or 20 millions for your companies, your future employer will recognized your achievement whether you have belt or not.

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    #111724

    Darth
    Participant

    Mike, I agree that the mere possession of any type of certification does not automatically confer upon that person, any guarantee of competence.  Because a person is a good accountant, it would be fraudulent to claim to be a CPA.  There is a body of knowledge that needs to be acquired and some verification of that body of knowledge.  Granted, there is a recognized accreditation body so you can have some confidence that the person is somewhat competent. 
    Just because a person, in his or her own mind, feels that they have acquired certain knowledge and experience, does not justify claiming to have a certain certification.  The lack of a centralized, recognized accreditation body is a disadvantage to the SS profession.  In lieu of that, we are accustomed to asking, “Where did you acquire your Belt (BB/MBB)?”  Using anecdotal and actual experiences, we conclude some degree of credibility based on the pedigree of the certification.  An indepth interview by an expert will confirm knowledge rather quickly.
    So, Mike, you are not a “Doctor” or “MBB”.  You are, in your opinion, an experienced and knowledgable practitioner of the Six Sigma arts but to call yourself a MBB is not accurate.

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    #111729

    Mike R.
    Participant

    I agree.  It is not accurate to call myself an MBB. 
    I DO remember that guy some years back who passed himself off as a pilot, a priest, a lawyer, and a doctor.  It made me feel a little uneasy.  I don’t want to do that to anyone. 
    Aside: these past four days are my first experience with any type of running e-forum.  I am amazed at how inefficient communication is.  Your last note was easy to understand, thanks.  But my attempts at humor and/or subtlety in my contributions seem to mislead as often as not.  I think I’ll try shorter replies.  Here goes.
    OK.  I’m a consultant who teaches BB and Green Belt at a small consulting firm.  Maybe that’s already pushing it, since I don’t have an MBB from any organization.  I do have a BB from one of those big Texas firms who puts big advertising banners at the top of pages on this web site, and have executed and Championed dozens of projects at a multi-billion dollar global corporation, across multiple divisions.  I have a bachelor’s in chemistry, and a Masters in polymer science. So there I’m covered.  I also do NOT tell anyone that I have my Master BB.
    So. I guess my Six Sigma credibility is in my hands.  Heck, this discussion is moot.  If I allow my self to be given an MBB by my firm (which they would do to save money and sell training) I deserve whatever scrutiny I get. 
    Parallel: I’m currently trying to decide whether to apply to U of Michigan Business School, Wayne State, or neither.  I am 95% confident that I have the GMATs and Grades and focused goals necessary to get into Michigan.   Michigan MBA would look great on a resume, but more importantly, I would be FORCED to lerrn a TON of stuff, and my degree would indicate that I did, and it would differentiate me from many other professionals, even from many other MBA’s.  However, The Farmington Wayne Campus is a bike ride away, much cheaper, and would require far less of a sacrifice to complete the degree.
    The question is always, just as with SS, cost of change ($$$, time, family time, opportunity cost) vs. benefit.  I guess I am not unlike the companies I serve.  I have an opportunity for improvement.  What path will I take?  The one that best serves my long term interests is the correct answer.
    As for MBB, I’ll not represent myself as one until I complete my exposure to a body of knowledge deemed sufficient to claim that status by someone that I’ll be proud to call my “school”.
    I’m very glad to see you take the high road on this one, Darth.  My respect for your opinion continues to grow.  I’m sure others’ respect for SS grows when speaking to you also.  Keep fighting the good fight!
    Regards, Mike
    Man… that wasn’t very short.  Think I’ll just read for a few days.
     
     

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    #111730

    Mikel
    Member

    If your BB is from SBTI, it is worth having. If not, you were taught a ot of academic fluff and you may want to upgrade your skills.

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    #111732

    Mike R.
    Participant

    I am horrified!  You, Stan, endorse my trainers.  You are probably equally horrified. It seems that I’m your new favorite whipping boy.  At least we agree on SBTI.
    Or was your comment was merely a shot at SSSS?. 
    Curious…what do you find so laudable about SBTI?  I enjoyed the training, but I consider my materials better than the ones they used to train me back in 2000 (granted, theirs today are undoubtedly far better than the ones used to train me in 2000).  My trainers, also, were absolutely great: professional, knowledgable, and accessible.
    Are you an alum or just a know-it-all?

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    #111735

    Mike R.
    Participant

    It’s funny.  You and Darth both agree with me, but seem to take a totally different approach in your concurrence.
    Ain’t english (and Six Sigma) great!

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    #111737

    Dayton
    Member

    Actually Mike R., EVERYONE is Stan’s whipping boy if you give advice that’s potentially misleading, well intended or not.   Having been lashed a time or two myself when I floated out an ill-considered opinion versus sticking to facts and logical fact-based derivatives, I’d just say that the forum is quite a self-correcting entity – some learn and some don’t regarding posting norms.  With that said, welcome to the forum, and from my perspective there are posters like Stan, Darth, Phil, Mike Carnell, and a few others that post with consistency, knowledge and experience and when reading their postings you can pretty well take it to the bank (as an fyi – Darth’s a little sensitive about banks right now, but you know what I mean – when they post they are generally pretty accurate).
     Vinny

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    #111739

    Mike R.
    Participant

    Given what I’ve read in the last 4 days, I think you’re giving Stan a lot of credit.  Hi Stan! 
    He seems to be a nitnoid, often grading papers rather than responding to intent, and a little too often, pulls the conversation from substance to bravado. I’m here to converse about topics, not wish I had spell shecker and a thesaurus. 
     I got off on the wrong foot with him right off the bat, but regret not a word.
    I’m checking out for a while. Maybe a long while.  Enjoy Chrstmas.
    Mike
     

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    #111743

    Mikel
    Member

    Bravado? Go look at your original post!
    When you say you were full of it with that post, I’ll engage in a different conversation with you.
    SBTI – founded by one of the true pioneers from Motorola. I have taught, learned with, and learned from him. He does not do fluff. I personally think it is a very short list of those who are not just trying to capitalize on a fad.

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    #111752

    Darth
    Participant

    Stan and I will always agree since he is my idol.  Guess the weather must be crummy where ever he lives since he obviously has nothing better to do today than post.  He should at least be watching Brock Berlin screw up the Miami/VT game.

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    #111760

    Mikel
    Member

    What’s the bet on the Peach Bowl?

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    #111762

    Darth
    Participant

    Well, assuming I haven’t consumed a bottle of Tequila or Grappa and actually stay awake to watch, I will settle for taking Miami and 10. 

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    #111852

    JorgeBB
    Participant

    There is a MBB program offered by Air Academy Associates.It is a One week program for DFSS and cost about $5K. Another option is Train the Trainner ( Also one week but a little bit more expensive) . You just need to choose one.
    Does anybody knows something about the quality of this program??
     

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    #111853

    Darth
    Participant

    Darn, now you’ve done it.  Asking Stan about Air Academy is like asking Democrats whether they like Bush.  Can’t wait to see his sugar coated response.

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    #111861

    Tierradentro
    Participant

    Why don’t ASQ start an process of certifying MBBs ?  It will at least give some credibility to the system.
    The criteria could be :
    1. A examination where the bar is significantly higher than the current BB examination.
    2. An affidavit by the employer that the candidate has mentored at least 10 Six Sigma projects.
    Is anybody from ASQ listening ?
     
     

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    #111884

    Dog Sxxt
    Participant

    It’s still depending on who is their trainer. This is an old story in early 90s. AirAcad sent an inexperiencd and newly certified instructor to my ex-company for a train-the-trainer DOE program which I described as a horrible bad DOE class.

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    #111886

    Dog Sxxt
    Participant

    The moment people put certification above every real thing, then is’s time to hammer last nail into a coffin for Six Sigma as ISO 9000 .

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    #111890

    Johnny Guilherme
    Participant

    Dog Sxxt
    Thats very true. Even if one has had exposure to the six sigma tools and has had implementaton experince, where I live the certification is a big issue.

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    #111892

    Mikel
    Member

    Two things to consider.
    1) Their stuff is pretty light and Excel based. This will be a disadvantage when dealing with BB’s and MBB’s that come through a more detailed training. We lovingly refer to their training as Six Sigma Lite.
    2) MBB implies a superior level of knowledge and experience. Can that be taught in a week?

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    #111904

    Ropp
    Participant

    IQF offers MBB certification based on projects, mentoring experience, and sucessfully scoring 75%  on  an 8 hour test.
    More specifics can be found at http://www.iqfnet.org

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    #111905

    Ropp
    Participant

    IQF offers MBB certification based on projects, mentoring experience, and sucessfully scoring 75%  on  an 8 hour test.
    More specifics can be found at http://www.iqfnet.org
     
    Can’t vouch for this one but Six sigma partners offers one as well

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    #111906

    IQF Test Taker
    Participant

    As one who has taken the IQF test, I can speak from experience that it is a joke.  Anyone who can cut and paste into Excel spreadsheets can pass the test with flying colors.  Also, if you try and answer some of the questions using Minitab (or anyother stat program), even though you may get the answer correct, you may still get it wrong due to rounding errors.  It may be ok for BB certification, but not MBB.
     
     

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    #111915

    Jeff
    Participant

    What was your score?

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    #111921

    Dog Sxxt
    Participant

    Want to ask a few questions before you actively promoting this company for no reason.
    What subject matters supposed to be mastered by a MBB? Their leadership or technical skill?
    Leadership? How can an outside consultant can judge a person leadership skill in 8-hour test?.
    Technical? A MBB must  possess at least PhD kind of profound knowledge level? And also in what subject(s)? 

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    #111924

    Ropp
    Participant

    Doug,
    Not really intended to promote a particular company or organization. Just answered the original post concerning where to get a MBB certified without classroom instruuction. . I think your criteria for leadership, etc is well noted. Tests are tests the demonstration of competence in projects, busines acumen and leadership no one can argue with.

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    #112004

    IQF Test Taker
    Participant

    100%

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    #112011

    Jeff
    Participant

    Very impressive. What was the nature of the 5 six sigma process questions? Does the exam follow the CD exactly or should there be something else to be used for study? By the way I guess you were able to receive the MBB certification.
    Thanks for your help in advance on this matter.
    Jeff

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    #116657

    Chalapathi
    Participant

    I am consultent and trained more than 300 BBs in India, Dubai etc.
    I have my BoK and teach applications and use IQF exam only to give a certificate.  Do not expect more than that.
    Certification can not give you skills, not event ASQ.

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    #149369

    Allabaksh
    Participant

    Hi Chalapathi,
    i want do

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    #149375

    Marlon Brando
    Participant

    Agreed  fully  with  you.
    Unfortunatly  many  pretenders  (specially  from  India  and  Dubai) are  using  those sophisticated  titles just  to  make  money,money  and  money?
    Just  for  sake  of  money  they  are  ready  to  issue  certificates for  any  idiot,spoiling  the  image  of  quality  and  Six  Sigma??
    What  a  sad  situation??

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    #149378

    Monk
    Participant

    Are you saying that a person having a PhD in statistics will be a better MBB than a person, who doesnot have a PhD?
    I think, leadership aspect plays a important criteria in distinguishing a genuine MBB from the not so genuine ones. There should be no certification for thie MBB because it is a role played by a BB, having a better leadership skills as well as statistical knowledge.
     An organisation hiring a MBB have to see the credentials of the MBB from the previous assignment, which should reflect the leadership and the statistical knowledge. Certification of MBB will just open a market for the ‘training agencies’, whose CTQ is ‘money’ and not ‘how good the cndidate is as a MBB’. So it is the organisation that should provide a certificate of acheivement to the BB, who is playing the role of a MBB.
    Just my opinion.
    Monk

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