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    Sanjay Gupta
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    I have been nominated by my company to pursue certification as an MBB (I am a BB) and I am looking for reputable branded organizations that do this. I know BMG does this and as I review their curriculum it strikes me as a high quality well, probably well respected certification. (BMG provides the curriculum for our companys BB training.). I know there are a variety of organisations out there that will provide certification as a MBB, however I am seeking other high quality organisations to compare to BMG along the dimensions of price, percieved quality and brand?
    Thanks and Regards,
    Sanjay Gupta

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    #132832

    Ramsey
    Participant

    These companies are charging $25,000 for a two weeks MBB certification!
    Please think twice. If you are a worthy BB, you do not need to pay that much money to anyone for a piece of paper.

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    #132834

    Rajvada
    Participant

    I too would be interested to know the MBB certification cost with BMG.
    Regards
    Raj

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    #132837

    Ramsey
    Participant

    I wanted to be certified by that group, I called them and they told me that I had to go to Spain for that and pay $25,000 (Yes twenty five thousand dollars) for two weeks. I thought that they were joking but they were very serious. I said to myself: “who do they think they are?”

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    #132840

    xu
    Participant

    I, too, would like to become certified as a Six Sigma Master Black Belt.
    I have similar requirements as Sanjay – training — and certification — by a “reputable branded organization.”
    I also have a Kano basic, non-negotiable, “must have” requirement. The vendor must provide data to back up their marketing claims about their offering before I plunk down my cash. Unfortunately, the “six sigma training industry” is in sad shape when it comes to providing data.
    Here is what I believe to be an accurate summary of Sanjay and my options at this time. Someone correct me if I provide any bad data.
    1. ASQ, the national quality organization in the US, has no SSMBB certification program at this time.
    2. I know of no other national quality program that offers a SSMBB program. Anyone know of one?
    3. I checked the vendor you referenced. Their website says their SSMBB program is accredited by IACET. I checked the IACET website. I did not find this vendor among the IACET Authorized Providers in the IACET database.
    Of course, IACET “certification only means you can submit evidence of training attendance to one of the IACET Organizational Members who have agreed to accept it for CEU credit. This generally means the organization will allow you to use these “hours” as part of a recertification equation.
    4. I reviewed the curriculum at the vendor site and compared it to the six levels of learning in Bloom’s taxonomy. I see a lot of low levels of learning — “understand,” “basic,” “overview,” etc. I assume these words were carefully selected so as to avoid legal problems. No evidence of “learning” at a particular level is required. Of course, the level we are looking for is “mastery” or Bloom’s “synthesis.”
    5. And no information is provides as to the quality of the instruction. Of course, any evidence begs the question: “How did your instructor attain their SSMBB certification?” Expect variation. Vet all response. Caveat emptor.
    5. Exigencies prevent me from checking out any other vendors.
    My response to you, Sanjay, is…
    If you want SSMBB certification for reasons similar to why the Cowardly Lion in the Land of Oz wanted “courage,” any vendor can help you. The market is isometric. Their offerings are fungible commodities.
    If you want “professional certification,” you and I will have to wait until someone provides data to substantiate that they can provide it.
    I would like to see evidence that they have systematically designed and have a high Cpk for delivery of criterion-referenced training with minimum variation and that their graduates have an empirically validated level of proficiency equal to or better than the certificate’s title and demonstrably  better than the other vendors.
    Sanjay asks a good question.
    He needs evidence to reject the “null hypothesis” that “all vendors are equally likely to provide the same level of “certification” – a “certificate of attendance.” My little grand daughter got a similar certificate of attendance the other day from kindergarten. In terms familiar tot he six sigma training industry, I guess that makes her a CKG — Certified Kindergartner — now.
    Vendors, this is your chance to provide data of the validity the alternate hypothesis – “Some offerings are different.” PS, remember this is a two-tailed test as stated. You may elect to make it a one-tailed test if you have the data. You can define “different” using any operation definition you choose. We just want data for it. I personally will agree to accept a confidence level of 80% to make it easy on you.
    Internal corporate SSMBB providers are also invited to participate in this challenge. I would expect it relatively easier for them to provide data on their programs. I personally would like to see data of evaluation of the program using Kirkpatrick’s model with a minimum of level 3 data.
    ASQ, you can play, too. I know you have data.
    Sanjay. I hope this little “sharp pointy stick” helps you get the quality of response you – an all SSBBs (who are sometimes called customers) — deserve.

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    #132841

    jediblackbelt
    Participant

    I would like to request somebody like a Darth, Stan, or Mike Carnell answer as well.  Their opinions in this forum are typically right on the money (insert large smooching sound here).  For those of us that have left companies as BB and done a lot of training of others and projects.  How do you gain the rank of MBB legitimately without having a company or training program “knight” you Sir MBB? 
    I can easily call myself a MBB and show my BB results, but how valid is it?  The opinions of good MBBs are very valuable here.  Do you have to know and master all tools?  What if you don’t know all the DOE tricks of the trade or understand off the top of your head all the calculations, but you can work a project and get results and you can work the stat packages fairly well.
    In hopes of good responses.
    Thanks,
    JediBlackBelt

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    #132850

    Martínez
    Participant

    You earn it. As I stated earlier in another post, the certification is worthless without the experience. I just went through about 100 MBB resumes the other day for a job post, and threw away about 95 of them away because I couldn’t see anywhere on the resume where they had applied the skills.  What do I look for? First, that they were formally a BB with experience on multiple projects and a tenure in the position of 18mos to 24mos, that they have given six sigma training at the Green Belt level (minimum 120hrs), and that they can demonstrate an application and understanding of DMAIC, DMADV, and Lean. If you’ve done this as a BB, but no one is giving you the MBB title, then I suggest you look for job postings where they want an MBB, but can’t pay the market rate. I tell many head-hunters that based on a clients salary request the best I can refer them is an experienced BB that is ready to be an MBB.
    Only if you have the experience listed above would I pursue an aftermarket certification. If your in Atlanta Ga (Atlanta area only please) and need a recommendation for MBB training email me at [email protected] and maybe I can steer you to someone.

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    #132851

    Horticulture
    Participant

    My understanding is that a MBB is a very different creature from a BB.
    One of their responsibilities is to train and maintain the training material. for BB Candidates. They also need to help out (and be able to help) BBs, do bigger and more challenging projects than a regular BB, act as mentor for the up-and-coming BBs and get involved in project selection and the integration of Six Sigma into the organization. I guess the biggest difference is that a MBB is someone who is in for the long-haul (5 years plus) – not the 2 years or so which is the usual for a BB in that role.
    As such, is certification necessary?
    Should the amount of experience doing these sort of things be the indicator of effectiveness? (to be assessed in the same way as other experience written on a persons resume)

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    #132852

    Bob J
    Participant

    Agree completely with Horiculture’s response….  The role of the BB is to drive improvement projects to a successful conclusion…  The role of the MBB is to train Black Belts and to provide appropriate coaching/mentoring within the business.  This last is for both the business leadership on the care/feeding etc for the program as well as the technical project support for the belts…
    To be successful in this role you should be able to effectively teach as well as work with all levels of management within the program… 
    This is a very different set of skills from the typical BB role…
    Best Regards,
    Bob J

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    #132866

    xu
    Participant

    Experience and certification are different dimensions.
    Experienced MBBs need certification just as certified MBBs need experience.
    Problem #1 with having experience as your sole credential it that it does not provide any evidence of the level, quality, appropriateness, or effectiveness of that experience. Many highly “experienced” people are “unconsciously incompetent.” They do no know what they do not know. Therefore, they sincerely believe they really are good at what they are doing.
    Problem #2 is a common trap for highly competent technically skilled people. They assume they can perform “soft skills” — like teaching, mentoring, change management, managing people, etc. — with equal proficiency simply because they “get DOE,” for example. Great, but can they explain DOE so it makes sense to the technically “unwashed masses” who are not so technically proficient? Can they lead organizational change as well as they can produce process change? 
    Many companies promote the person who sells the most to Sales Manager, and then wonders why this persons is not perfuming equally well in that position. The simple fact is it requires a much different skill set to manage people than to sell.
    A BB doeth not a MBB make. 
    Certification through a process agreed upon by your professional peers is the other half of the equation. “Certification” via any other process should make you hear singing like I heard on American Idol last night.
    An experienced MBB doth not a complete MBB make. A certified MBB doth not a complete MBB make.
    One of mentors once told me, “Never try to teach a pig to sing. It will only make the pig mad and waste your time.”
    The problem with certification at every level of the “SS certification game” is — as one of the previous postings today noted – you can just call them and they can get you to someone who can certify you as a MBB based on your self-reported experience. Pat a little mud on your tummy and you too can become certified USDA Prime pork loin.
    Show me a experienced AND certified MBB, and I will show you some singing pork.
    Regards
     : < )

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    #132913

    Bob J
    Participant

    Interesting perspective….;- )
    The key is to understand the expected role of the MBB in your business and define the necessary skills based on that understanding…  For our business, we expect a MBB to be able to effectively train at a BB level and to provide mentoring support.  To do this, you need the following skills:

    Demonstrated proficiency in the tools/techniques
    Ability to effectively teach the tools and techniques
    Ability to effectively communicate at all levels of the business
    Ability to effectively mentor Black Belts and Champions
    Much of these skills cannot be taught in a two week course but are better grown over time within the business or selected from those within the BB community who have an appropriate background (trainer, teacher, senior manager etc) .
    In summary, I would be very wary of those certification programs that promise (usually for a great deal of money) an effective MBB certification in two weeks…
    My opinion is that the best programs for MBB certification are organic to the business and driven by the business expectations of the role the MBB is to play….
    Best Regards,
    Bob J

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