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  • #41129

    Sandrine
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    I’m  talking  about  a  new  “Intermediate” level between  the Green  Belt  and  the  Black Belt:The  Blue  Belt for  those who  have accomplished new  courses & Projects in Lean-SS.We  may  call  them BB(1) to  differntiate them from  the Real Black  Belt that  could  be  called BB(2).Just  My  Opinion

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    #128536

    Elbrin
    Participant

    This should be unnessecary if your GBs are properly trained and mentored.  I see more value in Yellow Belt level training, use to spread a basic understanding of Six Sigma terminology and practices widely throughout an organization.  We have a 16 hour computer based course broken into 8 sections, which has been very successful for us.

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    #128541

    Claude
    Participant

    Or you could think of it as many BB’s in my company tend to think of it when dealing with our senior management team as a Black and Blue Belt from the many bruises, abrasions and other wounds afflicted.   

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    #128544

    Joe BB
    Participant

    Because of the importance of everyone getting along, I have been exploring the idea of having everyone certify as a pnk belt. Thoughts?

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    #128545

    Claude
    Participant

    “pnk belt”???
    For you would that be a Punk Belt or a Pink Belt?

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    #128552

    Craig
    Participant

    I’d rather see us move to a different  terminology. Maybe a 3.4PPMBB or a 2PPBBB depending on if you used the mean-shift or not.  OK…just goofing.

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    #128557

    wtf
    Member

    This could be the worst idea ive heard since the “jump to conclusions mat”
    If people would just make healthy green belts and black belts then we wouldnt have to worry about mucking it up worse with another classification that can be ambiguous. 
    Plus, consultants may actually start bue belt training and con people into needing it. 
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    #128559

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Sandrine,
    I don’t see where the organization gains any value.
    It looks more like you are creating a new step for a green belt that does the job so you don’t have to deal with the Green Belts that do not do the job.
    Just my opinion.
    Good luck

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    #128567

    tottow
    Member

    wtf,
    Nice screen name:-)
    I agree.

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    #128573

    Joe BB
    Participant

    The previous Joe BB was not the real Joe. I would not suggest anythink like that. I thought about Brown Belt, but since Brown starts with “B”, I go for Grey Belt.
    Oh no! Grey starts with “G’ just like Green, so I go for white, white Belt would do just fine. I am a WB.

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    #128576

    Heebeegeebee BB
    Participant

    Oh Jeebus…

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    #128577

    Joe BB
    Participant

    I am offended that you would insinuate the name of my lord that way.

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    #128578

    Sandrine
    Member

    Thank You Mike  for  your  “reasonable” answer.All I want to  suggest is  to appreciate & evaluate the  new knowledge of  Lean-SS so as to motivate people to  strengthen their  Knowledge   &  experience in this “mixture”,allowing  them to put  more  attention on  the  Lean Topics as I have  observed  lot  of  ignorance in  this field.Best  Regards   

    Thank You

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    #128581

    Joe BB
    Participant

    People love me on this site. So many people are squatting my name, it’s unbelievable. I did not write the previous posting. Please moderator stop these people from usurping my sacred name.
    I certainly never write anything about myself on this forum except that I am a good religious morman who respects every human being and I am from the great state of Wyoming.
     

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    #128583

    Joe PB
    Participant

    Is that the great state of Wyoming where the men are men and the sheep are scared?

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    #128584

    Lilburn Boggs
    Participant

    Joe,
    How many women are you married to? There are laws you know.

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    #128591

    wtf
    Member

    YEESSS!
    Jeebus Belt ftw.
    I will expect and in fact insist that all of my coworkers refer to me as Jeebus Belt from now on.
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    #128592

    CT
    Participant

    Good Lord, has the circus come to town! I agree with whom ever said “lets make healthy Green Belts and Black Belts”.
    Not even real sure this thread deserved this much attention
    CT

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    #128595

    Demetrius Lousada
    Participant

    Hi All.
    Sandrine, I think it depends on. If in your company has regular 6S trainings (GBs and BBs) it is not necessary, once they probably have a development plan and the transition will happen according to candidate’s efforts and support that his/her receives. Now if your company will not offer any BB training for the next 12 months (for instance), it’s is a good idea to “promote” those belts with a special dedication and interest to the 6Sigma program. This way, we can avoid or reduce any frustration among the belts that want BB certification. This is my humble opinion
    Thanks.
    Demetrius Lousada (Brazil)

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    #128610

    Sandrine
    Member

    Thank You.Another Reasonable opinion that can  be  discussed seriously.I really  appreciate such  feedback,regards.

    Thank You

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    #128612

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Sandrine,
    Just an odd coincidence. Your post was the second time this week someone suggested a Blue Belt.
    Regards

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    #128693

    Sandrine
    Member

    Thank You.It  means that it  was  a logical request,regards./

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    #128699

    Ken Feldman
    Participant

    NO, it means that there were two dumb people who asked the question.

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    #128700

    Anonymous
    Participant

    Why not a Double Secret Black Belt?

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    #128709

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Sandrine,
    That is a fairly liberal interpretation. You might want to re-read my first post.
    Regards

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    #128714

    Mike Allen
    Participant

    Sandrine,
    I think Mike C. adeptly and correctly identified the real issue you are facing – management discipline.  Creating more levels just helps the inept people hide.
    P.S. – is your company slogan “We put the ‘K’ back in KWALITY”?

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    #128717

    Sandrine
    Member

    Thank You  for  the  enlightenment.

    Thank You

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    #128727

    Sandrine
    Member

    Thank You.I have  re-read your  post.I’m  suggesting  this  new  belt  particularly for  those  who  have  accomplished courses & Projects in  Lean-SS .

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    #128732

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Sandrine,
    That is a requirement to be a GB, BB, MBB. No project YB. Where is the value unless you are training a GB and they haven’t done a project yet then they are a GB Candidate. After one year and no project they are gone from the program.
    Just my opinion.
    Regards

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    #128740

    wtf
    Member

    i read the newest issue of Isixsigma mag yesterday and i couldnt believe that Alcan said they were considering a blue belt…lol.  Here i was thinking that they had something going on with their “global deployment” and then i see the words quoted about their blue belt possibility.  I’m not sure why they think a blue belt will take them to the promiseland.  There have been lots of good deployments without blue belts.  I still fail to see where the blue belt classification adds ANY value whatsoever.
    good luck to them.
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    #128794

    Sandrine
    Member

    Thank You  Mike  for  your  valuable  contribution.

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    #128796

    Sandrine
    Member

    I’m glad that  somebody  else (an organization) was  suggesting  this  new level ( supporting my  Idea in  this  forum).I believe that it was  not  a  dump question.Anyhow  all  new  ideas   were  called   “dump” in the  begining.Please  let  me  know  their email,thanks

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    #128812

    jimmie65
    Participant

    Sandrine –
    I’m curious. The response to your initial post was overwhelming negative – some of it even with reasoning behind it. Yet you’ve chosen to latch on to the fact that a single organization is considering the same type of training.
    So were you really looking for input and options, or just for affirmation?
    Your idea may not be a dumb idea, but that doesn’t mean it is a good idea either.
    And be careful of your logic. I can probably find an organization that has tried most wild ideas. Would you advocate document-shredding just because Enron thought it was a good idea?
    In my opinion, you just need to teach Lean as part of your Sx Sigma program.If you teach separate classes on Lean to those who have previously completed their certification, then it just adds another set of tools to your Green Belts’ repertoire. (I’d probably require it of anyone who wants to keep the title of Green belt.)
    Jimmie

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    #128846

    Mikel
    Member

    jimmie,
    You are being too nice. His idea is a dumb one.

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    #128851

    jimmie65
    Participant

    What can I say? I’m a nice guy.
    Thought it was a better approach than “Hey, are you too dumb to read the reponses you got?”

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    #128862

    Art
    Participant

    As are you stanley boy, as are you.  Go comb the cat’s hair and kindly rid us of your presence.

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    #128865

    K.O. Livin
    Participant

    Art,You and Joe Honey have contributed nothing to any discussion recently. Stan seems to have become your reason for existence which is a pitiful one. At least Stan can contribute when the question desrves a contributon.

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    #131746

    Rockie
    Member

    I would like a copy of that Alcan article if any one can forward it on in any way. My email is [email protected] or my mailing address is :  Rt 3 Box 217,  Sandyville, WV  25275
    Thanks,
    Rockie Brown
     

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    #131747

    Trev
    Member

    Rocky,
    It’s against the law to distribute copyrighted material in such a matter.
    Trev

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    #131751

    Darth”s Sister
    Participant

    Excellent Opinion

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    #131752

    Lone Star
    Participant

    I think the current system of naming belts after colors is unwise.  It smacks of profiling and discrimination.  I recommend that we become more politically correct, while at the same time, encouraging our friends at PETA to join in.  Therefore, I submit to the Forum that we change the various colors to names like: Polar Bear Belt (aka White Belt), Frog Belt (aka Green Belt), Canary Belt (aka Yellow Belt), Panther Belt (aka Black Belt), King Kong Panther Belt (aka Master Black Belt. 
    As for the need to show some avenues for advancement, Shamu Belt would be good (an intemediary step between Polar Bear Belt and Panther Belt).  I am trying hard to discover some critter that is gold in color, to satisfy those at SSA, but haven’t been successful.  Any suggestions would be welcome.

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    #131757

    Darth”s Sister
    Participant

    Fantastic “innovative” Idea  at the  new  year Eve.Let us  start  the  campaign:You will have  the  credit 

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    #131763

    BTDT
    Participant

    D’s S:Maybe have a few belts tonightCheers, BTDT

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    #131772

    Darth’s Grandmother
    Participant

    Use  the  word “stupid” instead  of “Dump” as  Jack Welch  was  proud to  be  the  one  who  asks a  Dump  question??So  why  is it  so?Please  I  advise  you  to take  care  of  your  children (in  the  new  year  2006).Cheers 

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    #131875

    Anirvan Sen
    Participant

    Make sure nobody hits below the belts ;-)
    A.

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