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    Chen
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    Hi everybody
    I am new to six sigma and want to clarify my doubts. I understand  that six sigma basically deals with the use of statistical tools to reduce process variation, make the processes more robust and thus improve quality of the product. What i dont understand is that is Six Sigma just a philosophy or is there a formal certification process like the ISO. If there is a formal certification process then is the Organisation /manufacturing plant certified like the ISO or are the individual people certified to be competent in six sigma tools? Who certifies? Are there certain laid down standards like the ISO? Could you all please help me here so that I can be clear about six sigma concepts?
    Bernard

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    #109558

    Terry
    Member

    Bernard,
    Six Sigma is both a philosophy and a rigorous methodology. Search this site for the definition of Six Sigma and learn the multiple facets of it. It’s more complex than a paragraph can answer here.
    Six Sigma is a breakthrough methodology for improving processes, one project at a time. ISO is a certification that says you’ve attained some level of quality. While ISO doesn’t tell you how to get there, Six Sigma does. They’re different yet complimentary. Search this site for “ISO and Six Sigma” and read more on this topic. Again, it’s more complex than a paragraph can answer here.
    Everyone certifies. Six Sigma is about delivering results, not certification. Many have jumped on the “certification” bandwagon and will take your money without helping you grow as much as possible. Again search the site about certification. Read this also: https://www.isixsigma.com/library/content/c010827a.asp
    There are no “laid down standards” for Six Sigma. There is no central certification body. Six Sigma is not something you can learn on a discussion forum. Go buy books, attend a class as your local college, online or in person. Invest the time and you’ll reap the rewards.
    Terry

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    #109559

    RubberDude
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    Bernard,
    Don’t mind Stan.  It’s Friday and he has to get enough jabs in to carry him over the weekend.
    Your question is one that will get a response like that in here.  It does appear you are very new to SS.  First of all, SS is much much more than merely “the use of statistical tools to reduce process variation, make the processes more robust and thus improve quality of the product.”  Statistical analysis is used to verify, qualify, and help in the development of fact-based decision making.  Yes, there are a lot of statistical methods used, but SS is a methodology of how you “do business” in your organization.
    As for organization similar to ISO?  Not really.  Stan’s answer was a bit tongue in cheek, but it does have merit.  There is no “official” certification or governing organization when it comes to Six Sigma certification or standards.  Many organizations, including ASQ, BMG, Villinova Univ, and many many more will offer training and “certification” based on the Six Sigma methodology.  However, “real” Six Sigma “certification” is based on experience in SS projects under the guidance of Black Belts who are under Master Black Belts.
    My opinion is (and everyone here has one about this) you need to explore websites, such as this one, read books by Six Sigma “gurus”, look into training in Six Sigma (search this forum about “online vs. classroom” SS training and certification), and then wrap yourself around local Black Belts and Master Black Belts.  Get some training, then get some project time under your belt (no put intended) and rise up through the ranks of GB, BB, and MBB…..
    And don’t give up on this website or this forum.  Very good information to be gleened.  Just have to take it all (including this post) at face value and back it up with facts.
    Good luck to you.
    RubberDude – Certified Grand Master Holiday Inn Express Black Belt

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    #109560

    Mikel
    Member

    Wow – censored before noon on Friday!
    The part of the answer that RD didn’t give is that there are a lot of self proclaimed “gurus” with books and a lot of instant gratification cetification bodies out there. Beware of those that offer classroom or on-line only training, beware of those who claim to be the creators who do not go back to Motorola in the 80’s, and beware of those claiming more than ten years experience when their experience began with Allied Signal or GE.
    Yes, my answer was tongue in cheek.
    Black Belt Training Special this week only. No project required and only 32 hours of on-line training. $999 this week only. Call before noon and receive a Ronco Statistical package absolutely free! A free MBB is thrown in for every group of five or more from the same department.

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    #109562

    Anonymous
    Participant

    Of course this is from someone with no formal training or project experience in Six Sigma, but who is willing to share his extensive “somewhat similar” QA background with the Six Sigma forum on a 20 times a day basis.   Hence the, “Holiday Inn Express…” certification title.   Talk about tongue in cheek….     Yeah, how about them Red Sox?     Anonymous

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    #109563

    RubberDude
    Member

    Correct-a-mundo…… thanks Stan…..
    You should be proud!  Is the censorship time a new record for you?
    Bernard, beware of Stan’s special…. it’s cheaper to stay in a Holiday Inn Express…. and you’ll be a Grand MBB overnight!!
    RubberDude – Certified Grand Master Holiday Inn Express Black Belt

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    #109567

    RubberDude
    Member

    Jealous?
    I’m also on the witness protection program……  And a CIA operative in charge of eliminating members of Al Queda hidden in rubber factories.
    (Shows how much you really know about me…. and anyone else in this forum for that matter.)

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    #109568

    Anonymous
    Participant

    In a 9/22/04 posting responding to a question regarding your Six Sigma qualifications you stated:
     
    I have over 25 years dealing with and teaching statistical methods and quality concepts, but I do not claim to be an expert in Six Sigma or any other of the techniques. 
     Was taking your response as a reply that you are not a trained and experienced Six Sigma professional incorrect?   Are you, as I stated, a long term quality professional with expertise in many of the tools and techniques used in Six Sigma but not a trained and experienced Six Sigma practitioner?    But maybe the forum can be redefined as a Quality and Sports Update forum and then it’s a moot point.    Anonymous

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    #109571

    RubberDude
    Member

    Yes, you were incorrect.  If you read the entire posting, my overview was that any posting at anytime by anyone on any forum must be taken at face value and backed up with further research and KNOWN resources.  I personally know only a few posters on this forum.  As for everyone else, I have no idea of their status or “expertise” in ANY field of study, so I take what they say at face value.  Isn’t that what the Six Sigma process is all about?  FACT based?
    What I said was true…..I have been in the quality and statistical field for 25 years.  Six Sigma training and experience, yes I have that.  But training and certification do not an “expert” make.  Experience?  Yes… that is the way to becoming an “expert” but when it comes to Six Sigma at this point, I would not want to qualify myself as one.  Not in SS, statistics, quality, or even life in general.  Those that do claim to be “experts” are usually just trying to sell something or stroke their egos.
    I don’t feel that I have posted any information on this forum that was false or misleading (except for my “porch dog” status or that the Yankees would win the series this year).  But if I have, please let me know and I will admit my mistakes.  I learned a long time ago (even before my six sigma introduction) when it comes to answering questions like the ones on here, check your facts before you speak…. never shoot from the hip…… except when it comes to the Yankees…. LOL

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    #109580

    Anonymous
    Participant

    A very balanced response.   A better response than that which you were responding to.  And I agree with you – again, except for the Yankee’s.    Anonymous

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