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    Terry
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    I am trying my best to not make another mistake on training.  I want to be a legitimate certified Six Sigma black belt one day soon.  Online training costs anywhere from $1,000 up to $4,000 (some include certification tests, others charge an extra $500 for it).  I see on this site, you can buy about a thousand PPT slides to self train for only $99.  I would greatly appreciate any tips or advance in this area.
    Thanks,
    Terry

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    #174107

    Darth
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    Problem is your use of the phrase “legitimate certified Six Sigma black belt…”  Common sense tells you that there is no way a $4,000 training class from a credible organization can be equivalent to a $99 read it yourself power point deck. If you want to buy the cheap deck for self study instead of a book in preparation for taking real training, go ahead and spend your money.  If you think that flipping through the $99 deck will, in any way, provide you the background and training to become a “legitimate certified Six Sigma black belt…” you are sadly mistaken.  But, I have a super duper power point deck that I can sell you for only $90 that is guaranteed to make you a Six Sigma genius and for only $10 more I will send you a certificate in your choice of colors.  Others may try to entice you with animal hairpieces or pictures of sister in laws in Victoria Secret outfits, but don’t fall for that.  Get my drift?

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    #174108

    Terry
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    I appreciate the reply and understand the concept – I’ve been through enough certification courses in the past to know you get what you pay for.  I was looking more for a specific recommendation – for instance; what did you do for training?

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    #174109

    Darth
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    I came out of the GE process.  Except maybe for ASQ, not sure any of the online programs are worth it.  Many folks refer to Villonova but I don’t have personal experience with them.  Good luck.

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    #174113

    Michael Mead
    Participant

    You might try the Quality Council of Indiana books. Then take the ASQ exam. Althought eh questions and answers are not allowed in the exam, you can take the book with your for reference.
    They call this a “Review” course, and that is probably a fair statement. It is hard to learn enough to pass the exam by just reading one book. 

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    #174121

    Brandon
    Participant

    Terry, here’s my opinion…and that’s all it is….an opinion.
    There are at least 3 elements to becoming a “legitimate certified Six Sigma black belt”. 1. Book Training – either classroom or with a $99 PP deck as Darth calls it (the $99 PP deck is the identical “deck” the classroom instructor uses; so don’t discount it entirely) 2. Mentoring through one or more SS projects by a Master BB 3. Experience with the methodology & tools, change mngt issues, people, etc. Then finding an acceptable entity to issue you a certificate…most likley ASQ unless you do the whole thing with a training firm (at an all-in cost of upwards of $20K).
    I’m sure you’ll get plenty of other “opinions”. Good luck.

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    #174134

    Chris Whittaker
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    This sort of enterprise really ticks me off .
    I am hoping for the day when we can legitimise LSS and other improvement process methodologies by having a Standard recognised Governing body and a set of  ethical guidelines so that anyone who is properly credentialed by that body is recognised as having achieved a standard.
    In Australia LSS is a growing industry and many companies are taking it on only to let down by peoplewho have all the gear and no idea.
    Reading a PPT presentation and a 50 cent “how to book” novel, and a powerpoint “certificate” does not make a LSS practioner, proven performance improvement , delivery of benefits and mentoring  throughout the business for further improvements in new practitioners does.
    “By their deeds ye shall know them”

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    #174145

    Ron
    Member

    As a hirng director for a major U.S. company I do not subscribe to certifications from mail order , online, or other cookie cutter course work.
    Their are several reputable companies that produce excellent GB’s, BB, and MBB…we look to people who have been certified by a company program and then which company.

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    #174146

    MrMHead
    Participant

    I was trained and tested in-house, and am currently working projects to reach certification.
    While I was in class, there were one or two students that were from our customers, and not company associates.
    Might such an opportunity exist for you?
    Good Luck!
    MrM

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    #174147

    Brandon
    Participant

    Ron, what do you mean by”other cookie cutter course work”? DMAIC is DMAIC is DMAIC. It’s essentially been the same thing since the mid-eighties…so I have no idea what you mean by “cookie cutter”.
    Can you please explain?
    Then you say you look at “people who have been certified by a company program and then which company”. There are probably over 10,000 companies world-wide that have SS programs and their own certification.
    How do you stay on top of the validity of each of those programs?
    You appear to use a totally subjective approach to hiring objective decision makers. Wow.

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    #174156

    Tim Kelley
    Member

    ASQ is now offering a blended training program that includes an on-line curriculum and personal involvement of an MBB who is supposed to be familiar with the curriculum and who is available for help with problem solving.  I believe their intent is to provide the training elements and a footing for getting the required experience Brandon describes. 

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    #174162

    Terry
    Member

    I greatly appreciate all the responses to my query.  I don’t know if protocol allows for a single response to all the responders…I’ve never participated in this type of ‘discussion’ before.
    A couple of you suggested in-house training, mentoring, etc., but I am not employed at the moment, so I need to make the best of what I can do on my own.  You can imagine the temptation of going with a less expensive route on this since I have no income, however, I’m convinced I need to do something more – The perception of my training by hiring companies is far from unimportant.  I also won’t be able to go with a high-end solution (like Motorala’s $13K BB certification program) because it’s simply not possible for me right now.
    Even though a middle-of-the-road program (cost-wise) will have to suffice, my own determination and study will hopefully result in something better than a so-so BB.
    Thanks again to all.

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    #174169

    Brandon
    Participant

    I wish you the best Terry. Hopefully you are found by a viable employer soon.
    The Green Belt level of study should probably be sufficient for you to augment your primary skill set. As a newly certified Black Belt, should you choose that route, you will likely not be hired to a fulltime BB position. Employers who hire directly to that position will be looking for experience. So, at this point you are likely best served by looking for a position consistent with your existing education & experience. Adding a GB skill set to that may seperate you from the crowd.
    Check the GB eBook on this site – $60. For the price you absolutely cannot beat it anywhere. While it alone will not get you to certification, you will gain a great deal of knowledge from its study and be able to speak to the capablities of data-based decision making. Quickest hit for the dollars…and it sounds like that’s what you need right now.
    Let us know how you do.

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    #174170

    Stanly
    Member

    No no no
    You can’t be serious

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