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    Sick Of It
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    Please stop the misuse of the term “Out of the Box”. It does not mean the same as “outside of the square”. You have it as a title on one of your articles.The term actually means: Items, functionalities, or features provided out of the box are those that do not require any additional installations, plug-ins, expansion packs, or products. In addition to being used for tangible products, the phrase is often used in a less literal sense for software, which may not be distributed in an actual box but offer certain functions “out of the box,” e.g. without modification.You’re an intelligent person. Surely you understand the difference between those things that come out of a box, and those that are created outside of a box. Great thinkers are recognised for the difference in their thinking. Not for stock standard thinking that comes out of the box.

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    #185123

    Robert S
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    Hey Sick, the term also applies to those who are able to think about issues other than those directly in line with their “box” on an organizational chart. Although far too many throw the phrase around.
    PS: Who are you talking to in your post?

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    #185124

    GB
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    Just one little itty-bitty problem: “Out of the box” has been in use for describing non-linear thinking far far longer than for products, especially in the context of computing/software. -Fred Sanford would be proud…

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    #185125

    Vallee
    Participant

    Let’s call it tunnel vision…. wait that only applies when you are in a
    tunnel.We can say there needs to be a paradigm shift…. but what are
    shifting?I give up… guess I’m stuck in my box, cube…. how do I get out of it?

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    #185126

    Ken Feldman
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    I sense that Sicko is as his name implies and that he was referring to a post from his imaginary friend. Below is an explanation that even he should understand and appreciate.Thinking outside the box is to think differently, unconventionally or from a new perspective. This phrase often refers to novel, creative and smart thinking.This is sometimes called a process of lateral thought. The catchphrase, or cliché, has become widely used in business environments, especially by management consultants and executive coaches, and has spawned a number of advertising slogans.OriginThe origin of the phrase is somewhat obscure. John Adair claims to have introduced the problem in 1969[1]. Management consultant Mike Vance has claimed that the use of the nine-dot puzzle in consultancy circles stems from the corporate culture of the Walt Disney Company, where the puzzle was used in-house.[2] Both Martin Kihn of Fast Company[3] and the Random House Word Mavens[4] agree that the phrase relates to a traditional topographical puzzle called the nine dots puzzle.According to Kihn, consultants of the 1970s and 1980s tried to make their prospective clients feel inferior by presenting them with the puzzle. The challenge is to connect the dots by drawing four straight, continuous lines that pass through each of the nine dots, and never lifting the pencil from the paper. The puzzle is easily solved, but only if you draw the lines outside of the confines of the square area defined by the nine dots themselves. Thus, the phrase “thinking outside the box” was born. The Word Mavens refer to Prof. Daniel Kies of the College of DuPage, who observes that the puzzle only seems difficult because “we imagine a boundary around the edge of the dot array.”[5]
    Christopher Columbus’s Egg Puzzle as it appeared in Sam Loyd’s Cyclopedia of Puzzles.The nine dots puzzle is much older than the slogan. It appears in Sam Loyd’s 1914 Cyclopedia of Puzzles.[6] In the 1951 compilation The Puzzle-Mine: Puzzles Collected from the Works of the Late Henry Ernest Dudeney, the puzzle is attributed to Dudeney himself.[7]
    Sam Loyd’s original formulation of the puzzle[8] called it “Christopher Columbus’s egg puzzle.” as an allusion to the story of Egg of Columbus

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    #185127

    MrMHead
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    Darth, I knew there was a reason I keep coming back – these interesting bits of trivia that show up now and then!
    After re-reading the posts and almost replying in a different manner, I think what SoI is referring to is a gramatical detail:  “Out”  vs “Outside”.
    You can think yourself Out of a jam.  You can take something Out of a box.  But when you are contemplating abstract ideas, your mindset is located Outside the confines of standard boundaries.
    Butt than your likely too loose the meaning behind the mesage if your stuck on the detales.
     
     

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    #185128

    Ken Feldman
    Participant

    “Butt than your likely too loose the meaning behind the mesage if your stuck on the detales.”Deming also liked to spell phonetically so I got a real chuckle out of your closing sentence above.

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    #185129

    Robert S
    Member

    Thanks Darth and while I’m sure this is the proper origin why do you think it is also referred to as “lateral thought”?
    Because at some point the phrase was used to talk about management responsibility – the org chart… Think outside your box (on the org chart)… think laterally across the organization.
    I suppose this is obvious… however to some it may not be.

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    #185131

    Ken Feldman
    Participant

    I thought within the box and just copied some stuff from Wikipedia so you have to ask them :-). Certainly wasn’t going to waste time debating with Sicko.

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    #185133

    Robert S
    Member

    Yep… but since nothing else is going on here it gave us something to do.

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    #185137

    Stevo
    Member

    Sick-Of-It –
     
    Don’t be discourage, most of the people here don’t get “it”.  Your genius is way beyond their mental capability.  Keep fighting the righteous fight.
     
    Stevo
     
    Ps.  “Outside” = beyond and “Box” is a metaphor for the voices screaming in our head.  So “Outside the box” means not listening or overcoming the voices.  Purple desk vision sheep.

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    #185139

    Taylor
    Participant

    I have a couple meanings that come to mind

    Crazy, irrational, insane, over the top
    Original, non-tradional, creative, intuitive, clever
    or
    XYZ software is an out of the box solution providing business continuity for small businesses
     
    Now what was the post about again?

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    #185143

    Mikel
    Member

    Hey buddy can you paradigm?

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    #185146

    Robert S
    Member

    No, but I can make some cents.

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    #185150

    Vallee
    Participant

    Oh…. now you want money inside the box too?!

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    #185161

    MrMHead
    Participant

    He needs it to feed his paradox.
    BTW – have you seen Schrodinger’s cat in there?

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    #185164

    Vallee
    Participant

    Nice…. now you are making the box more complicated to get out off.
    The off the shelve cardboard box was hard enough and the cat kept
    using it as a litter box.

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    #185171

    Ken Feldman
    Participant

    Answer to Stan’s question is 20 cents. The answer to your question is Drs. Brown and Pepper. As for the litter box, I can’t help you there since I am allergic to cats.

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    #185173

    Mikel
    Member

    Since it’s a statement from the first great depression, the expression
    should be “hey buddy, can you parafranklin these days.’

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    #185253

    GB
    Participant

    Schroeinger’s cat…Was it alive?

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    #185256

    MrMHead
    Participant

    Yes!
    …. and No
    It Depends
    … I didn’t look.

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