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    Allthingsidiot O
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    Is  it  accepted to  allow  a Phd  in  Ind.Eng. (with  minimum knowledge  and  experience  in  SS) to held  SS Eminars  (for  GB Candidates)?Welcome  any serious  comments  and  suggestions,thanks  and  regards

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    #155285

    Allthingsstupid O
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    Why not?? 

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    #155286

    Allthingsclever O
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    This  is  really  bad  news  for  SS’s Business.How  to  generate  money  if  every  Phd holder  will  decide to organize Training  Courses for  GB,BB..etc ?The  next  important  question:are  they  capable  to perform  successful work-shops?Should  the BBs & MBBs go  to  the  universities then,exchanging roles?Who  is  authorized  to  decide  in  this case?Many  questions  need  to  be  answered .My  opinion

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    #155288

    Rpaul
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    There should be a law against that… But there isn’t!!
    So as in other segments of knowledge and education, SS too will have its own share of posers. A shame!

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    #155290

    Allthingsidiot O
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    Wise correct  opinion,then how  to  protect  the  SS-BOK?

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    #155292

    Rpaul
    Member

    Sorrry but whats BOK???

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    #155293

    Allthingsidiot O
    Participant

    Body of Knowledge for  Six-Sigma

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    #155295

    Rpaul
    Member

    We can’t eliminate such things totally.. There will be good apples and there will be rotten ones!!! But we can take relief in knowing that the law of nature and laws of economics say that after a period of time, the general population would know the good ones from the bad ones!!

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    #155302

    Craig
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    I work with some talented Industrial Engineers. (Masters Degree level though). I have no problem having them teach a few classes on statistical and lean principles, but when they are automatically considered MBBs because of their education, that alarms me.
    Regardless of your degree, you need to prove that you are a change agent with a heavy dose of “sticktuitiveness” to be recognized as a BB or MBB.

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    #155310

    Rubbish
    Member

    … next thing that we are supposed to believe that the armies of consultants running around with their fancy BB, MBB, sensei etc. titles have worked more than two projects in their lives.. i’d rather take a phd with an education than a “consultant” who can barely spell ANOVA …

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    #155312

    Craig
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    I’d rather have an educated person who can apply what they learn in a real life situation. I think most consultants can spell ANOVA, but I don’t know how many can apply it correctly!
    The whole idea behind the belt system is to have statistically minded engineers and scientists kicking some butt on problems. I would take a true black belt over a PhD any day.

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    #155321

    Mikel
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    By stopping stupid universites, like Villanova, from offering courses?

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    #155322

    Allthingsidiot O
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    Excellent “honest” opinion

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    #155325

    Hocus Pocus
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    … of course you would take a bb over a phd, otherwise you’d never have a chance of teaching this simple four-week stuff of outdated statistical hocus pocus …

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    #155326

    Allthingsidiot O
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    Are  you  serious?

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    #155329

    Allthingsidiot O
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    The  only  answer is:
    STAN,sTaN & stan

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    #155330

    Giving thanks
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    Of course he /she is.  And we should be thankful for these sort of people.  Without them, we’d be out of work.  After all, it is the traditionally trained and educated people who build in all the waste and inefficiencies in the systems and processes that we end up fixing that gives us so much work.

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    #155332

    hap
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    You really are a moron.     What an amazing add to this forum you are.    Do you work?  If so, where?  Doing what?    

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    #155333

    Allthingsidiot’s new superviso
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    “You really are a moron” … Is hacl talking to himself under the disguise of hap? Or has he become the supervisor of Allthingsidiot (O and is attempting to intelligently communicate with him? …  And if hap/hacl works so hard, how come he posts at 1 PM on a work day?  … What puzzling questions this superbe forum brings to light :-).

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    #155337

    Craig
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    Actually I think it is hocus pocus, rubbish, and giving thanks who are actually 3 persons in one. There is a strange commonaility between the names and the contents of the posts. A PhD wouldn’t have been able to figure this out without 2 years of research! Ha Ha!

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    #155338

    Glory
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    … hacl, congratulations to your ability to put two and two together. what a fiat! but don’t expect to pass the minimum entry requirements to a phd program any time soon … you may pass as a black belt, but that’s where your glory ends :-).

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    #155339

    Allthingsidiot O
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    You  have  to  distinguish  between  the  several  types  of  Phd,third  world  Phd,Former “Eastern Block” Phd,A Phd from Sudan  or  Zambia,etc.

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    #155341

    Allthingsidiot O
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    Greetings  to  my  new  version?

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    #155344

    Allthingsidiot O
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    Thank You

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    #155348

    Craig
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    Actually I am already in a masters program for I.E. If I decide on a PhD, of course I will change my tune and say that PhDs are more valuable than Black Belts! What’s wrong with contradicting ones self?
     

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    #155349

    Happy Face
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    at least you’re not pretending to be something that you’re not. and being an M.S. in engineering (hopefully soon) gives you additional depth in your area of expertise. good luck … but wait until you get into and through a phd program. that experience will give you some more appreciation for the expertise these guys can give to an organization.

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    #155351

    Craig
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    I do have an appreciation for what the PhDs can do for an organization. I also doubt I will pursue a PhD after a recent lecture on Covariance matrices, euclidean distances, etc.
    Is Six Sigma about statistics? I thought that was the case about 15 years ago! The stats are downplayed by those who don’t understand the concepts from what I can tell.

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    #155358

    Allthingsidiot O
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    Does  that  mean  that  the  Phd is identical  with  the BB or  MBB?
    THANKS  FOR  THE  ENLIGHTENMENT

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    #155360

    Allthingsidiot O
    Participant

    The  conclusion (based on  your  comments):Should  cancel  all  the  business  of YB-GB-BB-Sensei and MBB,finish  all  the  relevant  SS Courses,then  ask  those “pretenders”(All  types  of Phd holders),to teach SS and  to  implement “successful”  projects  all  around.I suggest  a  new  movie:Kill SS (part 1),other 2  parts should  be  called:Kill BBs & Kill MBBs??  

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    #155361

    accrington
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    How about this for a solution? The Mickey Mouse outfits that sell Six Sigma Black Belt Certificates could extend their product range by offering a PhD in Six Sigma, maybe charging an extra $1000 dollars, with perhaps a 1 – day thesis based on an advanced topic, such as how to tell the difference between a t – test and an F – test, or what is an othogonal array. This would end the controversy, and milk a bit more money out of the certification racket.

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    #155363

    Allthingsidiot O
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    Too expensive  as  I  found  an  American  University  ready to  offer  Phd in  SS  for  less  than $500?I  can  provid you  with  the  address  if  you  are  interested?

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    #155364

    Allthingsidiot O
    Participant

    Being  unable  to  understand  most  of  my  messages?

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    #155381

    Craig
    Participant

    You just don’t get it, do you AllthingsIdiot? I will actually TRY to enlighten you this time.
    A PhD is the real smart, highly educated person who can understand a topic to the nth level of detail. Some of them are extremely creative and can come up with new, advanced techniques. (example: Multivariate control chart in 1947. I assume Hotelling was a PhD)
    A Black belt is someone who can understand the multivariate SPC conceptually and apply it in a real world situation. Not only can they apply it, they have the desire to make a difference by using the advanced method.
    Are you the type of person who would staff your construction company with a team of people who can create new tools for cutting wood, hammering nails, etc. , or would you staff it with people who can put out a quality product using the existing tool set? Again, I am not being negative about PhDs in any sense, but I rely on them for the new advancements for tomorrow.
     
     

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    #155383

    Allthingsidiot O
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    I  appreciate greatly  the  enlightenment

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