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  • #51953

    Tuguchi
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    Which is better?

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    #181975

    Taylor
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    For What?
     

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    #181978

    Janice
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    On first take MBB appears to be better. More capitalized letters.

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    #181979

    MrMHead
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    Also the mean position of the letters within the standard English alphabet is better for MBB.  (the sooner the better, right?)

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    #181984

    clb1
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      On the other hand MBB is skewed 13,2,2
      whereas
      PhD is a nice distribution as well as a geometric progression 16,8,4

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    #181988

    Darth
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    Why are they mutually exclusive? Many of the most brilliant posters on this site have both. And many also have a MBA which has a nice ring to it as well.

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    #181990

    Janice
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    Nice analysis clb1…but you presume A is 1. If Z is 1 then MBB is 14, 25, 25 and PhD is 11, 19, 23. So MBB is worth 64 while PhD is worth only 53.
    That would lead one to believe an MBB is better but that’s based on the assumption the higher score is the more desirable.
    Seems everything is based on assumptions. Ah-ha, Tuguchi…there’s your answer – everything is based on assumptions.
    Good-bye.

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    #181991

    Taylor
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    Hey Darth, did you ever have this battle in your mind? WHich is Better?
     

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    #181993

    Mikel
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    What a dumb question. A PhD hands down People who know will assume they need to talk slowly to the PhD,
    but it’s not a fad. It’s also not something that people can anoint
    themselves with.

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    #181995

    the master
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    well, since Mr. mahmood Ahmadi Nejad has Phd like most of other a.. holes running the world, I vote to MBB.
    Unless you can name an a.. hole President which is MBB certified.

     

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    #181996

    Mikel
    Member

    Very intelligent response.

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    #182004

    Darth
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    Not self anointed???? Oh goodness, Dr. Vinny said I could just declare myself one as he did. Another difference is that it takes about 3 years to get a PhD and according to some of the vendors here, all it takes is about 3 months to get a MBB certification. The expense to get my PhD was around $250,000 if you count direct costs plus lost income. It only costs about $2,500 to buy the MBB CD set including the free ChopOmatic and a video of Stan’s babe of a sister in law modeling VS clothing. Looks like the MBB is hands down the economic favorite in this contest.

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    #182006

    anon
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    I understood that the MBB was only the cost of some Microsoft software.

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    #182017

    Tuguchi
    Member

    What about your Ulmert,Levni and Barak (Gaza’s War Criminals)?

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    #182019

    Craig
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    This reminds me of a statically indeterminate question from engineering school. It cannot be solved. Please note that the underlined word is not a typo.
    Now if I think statistically:
    What is the response variable of interest? Y = earning potential, hot air expelled, boardroom presence (somebody actually told me an MBB needs this characteristic…..oh my goodness)
    If you conducted this study, how well could you control the knob for X? If you randomly select 10 MBBs, would you consider them categorically the same? This is similar to running a DOE with temperature as an X variable, and never knowing if you are at your set-point. If you did an analysis of residuals by factor, would you see equal dispersion for the PhD as for the MBB?
    I took the liberty to anwser like a geek since this is a web site for those who should understand statistics.
    HACL
     

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    #182020

    Ron
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    What do you want to accomplish? If you want to drive continuous improvement in a corporation hire a MBB with credentials from a well known Six Sigma Program.
    If you want to teach at a University and talk about six sigma go with the PhD.

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    #182023

    Tuguchi
    Member

    well said! 

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    #182031

    Darth
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    I sense some real PhD envy. I state again, they are not mutually exclusive. There are some fine PhDs on this Forum who have extensive experience in the field and are not in academia just talking about it. Granted there are some as you described, but they probably aren’t posting too much on this site anyway. Don’t hate us just because we are over educated, smart and good looking. We have feelings also.

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    #182034

    GB
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    Darth is right.
    So, get your PhD, add in an MBB then you can become a PHB.

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    #182035

    Mikel
    Member

    Well known program? What, like GE or Ford? I wouldn’t give a nickel
    for MOST, not all, from either program.Truth is MBB is a meaningless title.

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    #182036

    GB
    Participant

    Ture Stan…as are most titles…
    I prefer BAS^3-P (Bad-A$$ Six Sigma Supah-Pimp)
    ;-)

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    #182041

    Stevo
    Member

    Which one can prescribe drugs?  Go with that one.
     
    Dr Stevo MBB
     
    Ps.  The Fry cook moniker gets me the most hoochy mamas.

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    #182042

    MrMHead
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    hmm…
    If A=1 then MBB is a subset of Prime Numbers
    If Z=1 then PhD is a subset of Prime Numbers
    I wouldn’t want an MBB to remove my appendix.
    And I think both can legitimately answer this question with “It Depends!”
     

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    #182047

    Don R
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    I say they are mutually exclusive – if not in practice, certainly in objective and therefore one of them is a waste; if you have taken the time and spent the money to obtain both.
    An MBB certainly does not need a PhD; far from it.
    And, for most positions requiring a PhD, an MBB is of no use.
    So, while there is no damage for having both, they certainly is waste in one having obtained the other.

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    #182048

    CT
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    Experience who cares about the letters after your name the only thing they tend to prove is your boredom level.
     

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    #182049

    Don R
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    Are you suggesting you would be OK with a PhD removing your appendix? Lather up Darth!! You’re going in!!

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    #182052

    Don R
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    Yeah, education is way over rated. You just need to do things. That’s why I quit after the 5th grade. And I’m driving a really big truck now. See!

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    #182054

    Obiwan
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    Hmmm…
    Overeducated?  Definitely…
    Smart?  Maybe…
    Good Looking?  Darth…if you were good looking, you would not have to wear that black helmet over your head!
    Feelings?  Really???????
    :-)

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    #182055

    Obiwan
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    Tuguchi
    I tend to agree with Darth…they are not mutually exclusive, you can have both.  They do have different tendencies…the PhD toward academia and the MBB toward industry.  I also tend to agree with Stan…that titles are not that important, skills/capabilities/results are what is important.
    I ended up as an MBB first and then decided to pursue my PhD…my thoughts were that, at some point in my career, I might want to be able to do either industry or academia.  Now…I just want to do great work for great organizations.
    Obiwan

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    #182057

    Ben Kenobi
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    with all that education and experience, seems like you could understand one tail vs. two

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    #182058

    Obiwan
    Participant

    To the unnamed Name Thief (although s/he tried to cover it up)….I believe that I do understand 1 tail versus 2 tail…and many of my mentors would agree (some of which post here)…
    Obiwan

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    #182059

    Leung
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    Tried to cover? That’s as goofy as your posts on one tail vs two.

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    #182060

    Tony Bo
    Member

    In the world of Hip Hop (dont stop, da roof is on fiya)…Snoop Dog was asked this question at the last Six Sigma Summit panel discussion topic of “DMAIC and the Hip Hop industry, Are control charts necessary?” ….and Snoop (he allowed all in the audience to call him that)….said it is easier to use PHD in lyrics than MBB.  That is based on collection of data around how many times PHD was/is used in todays rap music.  So PHD is better….or as Snoop put it….its “dope” and its “tight”…!!

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    #182061

    Goofy
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    Hey OB1 and OB1 stop it, we have a serious discussion here, who let these kids into this forum.

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    #182064

    Tuguchi
    Member

    Very convincing1

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    #182078

    CT
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    I never said education is overrated what I said that titles are overrated. Education and titles don’t have to be linked and in lots of cases aren’t especially when you add in application of knowledge.
    You can also read these pages to see how worthless the MBB title is and in lots of cases so are the PhD’s. With a wide level of variation on quality I know someone from the UK who failed Degree in physics and went got on to get a PhD from another country and said still believe he might not pass his original Degree course. This was several years ago though.
    So again Experience counts anyone who uses titles after the person hasn’t been in education for 1 to 2 years shouldn’t be hiring.
     

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    #182091

    Kluttz
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    I’m going to assume that your question is specific to which would make you more valuable within the marketplace (considering a PhD would most likely be a requirement to get into academia rather than an option). 
    Personally, I’d calculate how much time you’d spend weekly getting either one.  Figure 20 hours/week for 6 months for MBB and 20 hours/week for 2 years for a PhD.  I would then cut that number in half and dedicate that time to driving improvements and financial savings within your current organization.  Then spend 25% of that initial total time reading textbooks, attending seminars on MBB/PhD topics and talking with assorted MBB’s and PhD’s about your projects. 
    Voila – you’ve made yourself much more marketable in 75% of the time. 
    Then if you still want letters, you can shell out a couple bucks from a certification mill for your MBB (but yours will actually mean something since you spent the time running projects).
    If I was a hiring manager, I’d rather see documented project successes than letters after your name.  If I was a colleague, I’d respect commitment and results more so than certificates.  Just my opinion.
     

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    #182092

    Don R
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    Having read your last sentence it appears you may want to brush up on sentence structure…or did you leave school early as well?

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    #182094

    CT
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    First. Thank you for the compliment if all you can pick fault with is sentence structure I take it you can’t fault the argument.
    Second. I din’t leave school early and got my qualification and titles etc. Which probably also proves my point.
    Third and not an excuse. Dyslexia……. If you can understand what I’ve said it’s a good day. At least most of the words are in the correct order.
     

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    #182095

    Don R
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    First, I have no argument with your argument. I was trying to ilicit an explanation from you about education; which I believe one must first have to make experience beneficial.
    Secondly, I apologize if you are burdened as you state. That must be a heavy load.

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    #182101

    Tuguchi
    Member

    Thanks for the comprehensive analysis

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