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  • #49985

    120K_BB
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    Just got offered a BB position at GE Energy – $100K. Would be a ~$21K cut from current BB position at a company that’s teetering on the brink of survival. Probably take 2+ years to get back to where I am now in terms of salary.Worth it to make the move?Other considerations: less vacation time at GE, but also less travel. Probably better benefits. Good training and development opportunities. Good credential on the resume?Thanks for the opinions.

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    #171653

    Marlon Brando
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    Too much for a fake BB

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    #171654

    120K_BB
    Participant

    How about a real BB?

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    #171656

    Marlon Brando
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    Not less than $150k
    Ask for it

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    #171657

    120K_BB
    Participant

    $150K?? For a BB? Did I mention this is not in NYC?

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    #171658

    MrMHead
    Participant

    Do you need to relocate?  What’s market value differences between metro areas if you do?
    20k cut to move from Pittsburg to LA is more than a 20k cut. (example)   … but worth it by the fact you’re getting out of Pittsburg!
    ;-)

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    #171671

    X GEer MBB
    Member

    No way! You would be crazy to take a position with GE. If GE Energy’s program is any thing like GE Healthcare’s its really crappy.
    In GE Healthcare, BBs get 3 weeks of diluted six sigma and lean training and then have to go out and find their own projects. No on wants anything to do with the six sigma team because they create a huge bureaucracy riddled with non value added reports and meetings.
    BBs only get an introduction to statistics and are not expected to use them.
    BBs get even less training on Lean. They get introduced to the tools of lean, but receive virtually no hands on experience.
    The BBs get essentially no coaching and mentoring from MBBs.
    The new Lean Six Sigma program is among the worst I have seen as a recruiter.

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    #171674

    Pal
    Participant

    Question:  why do you think there will be good training and development opportunity?  Those would seem to be critical factors in whether this is an investment in your career. 

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    #171676

    BB 4 Life
    Participant

    I agree with X, GE’s Lean Six Sigma, especially GE Healthcare’s program isn’t what it was 8 years ago.
    The Healthcare program is anything but strategic or significant. It reminds me of the quality circles from the 80’s. If I were a GE Healthcare Black Belt I would be worried about keeping my job.
    The interesting thing about the program, despite what management says, its focus in on shareholders first, second is protecting senior management’s turf, and a distant third is the actual paying customer.

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    #171677

    RickL
    Member

    You are quite lucky to have a chance to get on the SS breed company. Its quite critical for a career path in SS industry(if there is any).
    I got my external certifications but not having chance to get into any SS company like GE or Motorola so eventhough I have pretty lot of SS and Lean projects completed but I could not get a chance to do what I like because of the big names did not appear on my Resume.
    My friends in another SS breed company even seek help from me to run their SS projects. I customized my own tools, deployment and projects to fit in the SS works but still because I did not have a shiny names on my Resume so I guess you are quite lucky to have a chance with those SS companies if you still want to persuit your career in SS.
    sometimes a short term pay cut is worth to get a huge pay off if you really put in effort to achieve something in GE.
     

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    #171691

    Taylor
    Participant

    I have to say if you where making 120K as a BB, no wonder the company is on the brink of survival. Thats top MBB for most fortune 500’s in the MFG setting. yeah I know some corporate guys knocking down more, and most couldnt tell you how to figure Cpk.
    Lots of oppurtunities out there, be patient and keep looking. Never take a cut in pay, unless you yourself are on the brink of survival.
     

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    #171692

    Stevo
    Member

    Makes my 27K and a free bus pass look a little suspect.  But I guess you pay for what you get.
    Stevo

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    #171696

    Deming Guy
    Participant

    About $50K to high!  Most are not Certified, just had training with no project. (Training was weak)  Have never interviewed one that i would hire.

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    #171698

    120K_BB
    Participant

    So what companies would you hire from, and what do you pay your BBs???

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    #171702

    Taylor
    Participant

    120k guy
    I don’t care where you work, or have worked. Come to me with a solid resume and tell me about running a couple projects that meant something, show me you can solve problems analytically and statistically and prove you “BB” credentials. That is the important part. I could really care less if you worked at Motorolla, GE or McDonalds. Just because you have GE on your resume tells me nothing about your ability, only your opportunity.
    BB’s that I know are in the 75-100 range, and this may be in part due to the inherent nature of being trained by the organization they still work for. Obviously this may be regional, as you stated earlier, NY pays more.  Most are Engineers, or Quality professionals and thats just what the market bares. However some companies have a little extra bonus structure in addition to any other bonus for their trained BB’s.

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    #171704

    Deming Guy
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    I hire only from High Tech, they think process, they understand Cause and Effect in the System, they realize you need Lean & Six Sigma methods to be successful.  They usually have good people skills and are not heros.  We pay: 125K, 30% Bonus, Stock.

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    #171705

    Brandon
    Participant

    Gotta face it…SS is becoming a commodity. Compensation is headed down relative to other skill sets. SS is still effective. SS is still needed. But as the ability to apply data based analysis and solution implementation becomes more prevalant, the comp for it will diminish…in relative terms. It will eventually reach the stage where it is not a “specialty” anymore but a skill set possessed by most all knowledge workers.
    Think TQM skills demand any greater pay any more?
    Find a core, line mngt position and apply your SS skills to the performance of that function. You will be better served.

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    #171706

    120K_BB
    Participant

    I’m surprised to hear that the GE belts you’ve encountered do not possess these attributes. I’ve been pretty impressed with all of the ex-GE people I’ve come across during my career.Where do you hire? That’s a pretty generous package, it would seem. THough my current firm is paying MBBs $150K plus 20% bonus (no stock). What industry are you in?

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    #171707

    Taylor
    Participant

    Brandon I totally agree with you buddy. The mentality of the skill sets is priceless.
    I just did a search on Zoominfo just for BB and 302 job listings all over the country, amazingly enough out of about 15 I opened and, non of them listed the wage range or even BOE.

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    #171710

    livingss
    Participant

    i am in a fortune 200 as a mbb. supporting multiple locations (international and domestic) and transactional, scm and opns areas, including training to GB an BB and Championswith 50% travel making $112K. which includes the bonus.based in one of the southern states.

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    #171720

    Stanley
    Member

    You said it Brandy…you are absolutely right. SS has become such a cheap commodity that you get BB cert if you do some online course for some 900 odd dollars…and if you go to India with that + a couple of fake projects under your belt, you almost command 250,000 to 350,000 Rupees (thats almost 75K to 85K USD!) imagine India pays so much for people like this!!! I had met a lady BB (who did such cert) working in a financial services BPO, she was commanding 87K USD in India, however she did not ever know how to calculate Cp and Cpk, no proper knowledge about normal data, no idea about when to use run chart and control chart!!! she was eventually transferred to US office with 110K pa for some unknown re-engineering project….
    now tell me if GE’s offer is good or not for a US citizen in US?

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    #171723

    Brandon
    Participant

    Stanley, thank you for agreeing….however I think you missed my point.
    Even people skilled in SS are experiencing a market devaluation of their skills.

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