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  • #35495

    Hersey
    Participant

    BillyBob,
    Do you think the Red Sox can win the World Series by deploying Six Sigma methods in their organization?
    Let me know your Thoughts…..

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    #100009

    faceman
    Participant

    All the Boston fans have to do is get the piano out of the pond in order to lift the curse.  Besides, how bad can the curse be? (you guys have the Celtics, the Bruins, and the Pats). 
    Here in Cleveland we can never undo the Colavito – Kuenn trade (which is what started our curse).

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    #100012

    Bob M.
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    Yes, but the Babe never played for the Celtics, the Bruins, or the Pats.
    I’m a Cubs fan anyway … has anyone seen that Bartman kid around lately?
     
     

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    #100015

    Cubs
    Participant

    Yeah, Bartman A.K.A. Reigle Stewart, after the infamous game and the season over, he started using his free time to post in the isixsigma forum with his typically well considered inputs.  

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    #100021

    billybob
    Participant

    Hello folks,
    Lets first think of our safety stock…Trot and Nomar
    Now viewing our risks…Pedro’s big mouth.
    Facts…dropping one to KC, but an in-the-park HR by Pokey.
    Will the Sox win a World Series?  The true test will be Possum Day. On Sept 3rd we all wait for Harry (our test possum) to come out of the possum pen at midnight.  If he sees his shadow in the full moon and runs back into the possum pen I am sorry to say all is doom for the Red Sox.  I have to be honest I haven’t actually been able to see if this is true over past years because..well there’s beer, wrestling, night jacking of deer, and then the Demolition Derby, and one year the Fair was in town.
    Boy we are busy,
    Later,
    Billybob

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    #100024

    faceman
    Participant

    Cubs fan,
    If you can get them to let the goat in the park, I’ll take up a collection for his ticket.  What real baseball fan wouldn’t like to see the cubbies make it to the show (I can say that my team is in the AL).

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    #100026

    Mike Carnell
    Participant

    Billybob,
    You missed Cherry pit spitting. One of my BB’s I worked with in 1997 was the Mens Cherry Pit Spitting World Champion. He was a good BB.
    If you want real culture you have to attend a “suck heads” night when the crawfish are in season.
    Regards,
    Mike

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    #109404

    billybob
    Participant

    Hello folks,
    Do I dare to ask if anyone would like to warm up this old baked potato of a thread?
    Later,
    Billybob

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    #109406

    PB
    Participant

    Billybob,
    I would like to know what that ‘Work Function’ guy ‘V’ has to say about this. I would love to see his charts and graphs.
    PB

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    #109409

    RubberDude
    Member

    The Curse of the Bambino is still alive and well until the last out of the last inning…..   The only reason both series have gone on this long is due to simple economics.  Times are bad…. the economy is not great and oil prices suck, so Steinbrenner et al have banded together to make sure the NLDS, ALDS, and the WS will all go seven games.  This insures enough revenue to cover additional costs due to oil price increases in the past few weeks.  Additional benefits include more entertainment for the fans – live and TV – which will help the Bucsh and Miller families and make my Poppa John’s and Domino’s stock prices go up.  Also, it will keep the $2.00/gal (which will soon be $3-3.50/gal) price of gas off the minds of most Americans until the day after election day……
    Otherwise, Yankees would have won in 4, Cardinals in 5 (Astros DO have the Rocket, ya know…), and Yankees over Cards in 5… maybe 6……
    Just my opinion…..
    RubberDude – Grand Master Holiday Inn Express Black Belt

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    #109413

    billybob
    Participant

    Hello folks,
    RubberDude, I do think I have to disagee with you.  I looked at the faces of the NewYork players starring out into the field from the dugout and I saw bewilderment. Then the hand slap by ARod with that much desperartion to reach 1st base that wasn’t economics to extend a game, that was a attempt to win a game by any means.
    I can relate to ARod, I took a bad hand slap trying to reach 1st base with a girlfriend when I was in my teens.  I was desperate to win too.
    Later,
    Billybob

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    #109418

    RubberDude
    Member

    The hand slap by A Rod was merely his standard reaction after knowing he has hit out…. re: Game 5… I believe it was the 7th inning.
    It’s all an act.  Unless they act dejected and try desperate measures, the fans would catch on and stop buying $250 left center nosebleed bleacher seats…….
    Besides…. why else would they save Rivera?  We’ll see tonight…. well…we’ll see in about 10 days……..

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    #109424

    billybob
    Participant

    Hello folks,
    I don’t think they can use 6S to win the World Series. How would you deploy that?? But baseball is a sport of statistics and more importantly lucky broken bat bloop singles; which tosses statistics out of the window.
    Now maybe they can use 6S to make sure that the beer pours a perfect 12 ounces at the consession stands, or to make sure all the balls are the same weight, have the same compression factors, and same ODs. How about a DOE on what bat performs better..if you get the right pitch, at the right height, and at the right speed with the correct spin on the ball.  Thinking of the choices,,,I’ll stick with the beer problem.
    Later,
    Billybob

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    #109432

    RubberDude
    Member

    “lucky broken bat bloop singles; which tosses statistics out of the window.”
    Excusez moi…. Oh contrair mon frair….. negatory good buddy……
    A borken bat is merely a special cause of variation… a “maverick.”  And while not so “predictable” (some statisticians might argue that point) as other stats, it still has statistical value.  Closers like Rivera use the broken bat probability to their advantage by placing pitches in the “broken bat zone” in order to force ground outs.
    My opinion anyway….
    RubberDude – Certified Grand Master Holiday Inn Express Black Belt

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    #109435

    billybob
    Participant

    Hello folks,
    Rubberdude, thats a valid point of bat variation. Why don’t all pitchers put the ball into the broken bat zone? 
    And by the way,.,…”GO SOX!”
    Later,
    Billybob

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    #109436

    1918
    Participant

    Here’s what the DOE tell’s us:   Boston Red Sox – proven losers since 1918. 

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    #109452

    John H.
    Participant

    Billybob
    There is the saying “good pitching stops good hitting” and the best strategy is to have the opposing hitters foul tip the good pitchers into tiring . Since you are now a dedicated Six Sigma practioner, determine based on Statistics whether this is a good approach. I am going to watch and enjoy the game.
    John H.

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    #109465

    billybob
    Participant

    Hello folks,
    Proven losers….until 2004. The title is now passed on to the Yankees.
    Later,
    Billybob

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    #109466

    billybob
    Participant

    Hello folks,
    Great hitting is master to tired pitching.
    Boston 10…..NY 3
    Later,
    Billybob

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    #109478

    Poke “Yoke” Reese
    Participant

    10/19 Redsox Win  10/18 Red Sox Win
    10/20 Red Sox Reverse The Curse of 1918

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    #109489

    RubberDude
    Member

    “It ain’t over ’til it’s over!”……
    Oops….. it’s over……..
    But then, statistics are on Boston’s side.  They are due.
    Let’s see…. World Series titles:
    Houston Astros = ZERO
    St Louis Cardinals = 9
    Boston Red Sox = 5…. the last one in 1918…. beaten by the METS of all people in ’86
    YANKEES = 26…….. out of 39 WS appearances….. out of 100 WS total…….
    OK…… now that we know the Sox are going…..
    GO SOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    #109493

    Sinnicks
    Participant

    Rubberdude,
    I know this is the wrong forum. Do you think Steinbrenner will start to dismantle the Yankees?  Big $$ and Big EGO’s let him down.
     
    Mark

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    #109495

    Mikel
    Member

    He needs to revamp his pitching – get more big egos such as Randy Johnson.
    And Kevin Brown has to go – what a loser.

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    #109498

    Who’s Their Daddy?
    Member

    Most interesting to watch from a process improvement perspective will be George (Their Daddy Now) Steinbrenner’s reaction.  Will he turn to the numbers and teamwork like young Cleo to rebuild and improve or will he just continue to wield a club in one hand and his checkbook in the other…I fully expect the latter, like so many old school, red faced, bloated belly executives…Keep Going Sox!!

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    #109502

    Cards Fan
    Participant

    What a great couple of games yesterday!  Way to go Red Sox!
    LET’S GO CARDS! The bats are alive and The Rocket is going join his former teammates on the links!

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    #109503

    Mikel
    Member

    The Rocket is going to whip some red bird butt.
    The Rocket vs. Pedro will be another classic – a couple of nasty strong men. Too bad that wimpy Mets catcher can’t be there.

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    #109505

    RubberDude
    Member

    I don’t see why he would even think of getting rid of anyone on defense.  I mean, look at the lineup.  Great defense, great bats…..
    The problem is Rocket, Petit, and Wells are gone…..
    Personally, I’d like to see Randy Johnson, Johan Santana, and Francisco Cordero replace Kevin Brown et al.
    The only other change might be to trade Sierra for Bonds and Tony Clark for Pujols.
    Statistically speaking, there is a 3.4 in a billion chance of that scenario taking place.

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    #109506

    RubberDude
    Member

    Rocket vs. Suppan…… This has the potential to be a classic.  I can see it now…… Both hanging on in the 7th to a no hitter….. no outs….  Beltran steps up and pops one just inside the foul line at the right field wall for a double……Sets up a run by Beltran on a sacrafice fly…. Then the Cards pull a 4-3-1 double play.  Clemons goes on for a no hitter……
    Houston to the WS…. score….. 1-0

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    #109509

    Larussa
    Participant

    What bases are the defense covering on a 4-3-1 double play?

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    #109513

    RubberDude
    Member

    Oops….. Lack of Folgers and Mt Dew this morning……
    6-4-1…..
    But wouldn’t you like to see a 4-3-1 double?  I suppose the infield could be playing deep, one hop to second, trhows to first who is on the baseline, first tags runner on the way to second, pitcher covers first for the second out…… hmmmmm…  that WOULD be interesting… LOL
    RubberDude – Certified Grand Master Holiday Inn Express Black Belt

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    #109516

    Larussa
    Participant

    Even a 6-4-1 double play would be interesting becasue the pitcher (1) would have to push the first baseman out of the play.
    A 4-3-1 double play could be possible if there was a line drive that caromed off of the 2nd baseman then caught by the 1st baseman who then threw it to the pitcher who was covering 3rd base and doubled off Beltran who was caught off of the base.
    In baseball anything is possible especially if Garner is in the dugout.
     
     

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    #109517

    Cards Fan
    Participant

    Either way, I’m looking forward to and exciting game!
    I’ll be there tonight.
    GO CARDS!!!

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    #109519

    RubberDude
    Member

    “In baseball anything is possible…”
    As evidenced in 1980….. the Phillies win the World Series…..

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    #109521

    K.Lo
    Participant

    Curse set aside…what process did the team follow to get here?  What do you think are some of the tools used within the process?  Wins aside…in order to verify that the process was performing as it should, what did they measure, and what was their measurement system?  Am I looking into this too much? 
    Or, perhaps they designed a cross-functional process map to lift the curse?

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    #109522

    RubberDude
    Member

    Interesting…. thought provoking….. I hope this one gets some response.
    While I’m sure there is no BB on the Sox’s payroll, (a role, I’m sure, BillyBob would take) there has to be some SS related concepts that could be derived from the process of getting to this point.  Baseball is such a statistics and strategy driven game, would not a team benefit from introducing SS concepts?

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    #109523

    Teddy Ballgame
    Member

    X-Functional Process Map-Absolutely.  All 40 inputs were evalutated at the end of last season based on the last years performance.  Some high RPN’s were addressed and an addition of big game power pitcher, Schiiling.  Mid season high RPN Nomar was elimintated.  Using the model of on base percentage as a vital X, David Ortiz was kept in the game rather than being pinch ran for producing game winning RBI in 3 different games.  Other vital X’s are head and facial hair length.
    The only problem is how do you address a groundballs that are perfectly centered between the leg spec limits (Buckner)!!!
     

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    #109525

    Thai
    Participant

    Baseball aside, this brings up a broader question…Is 6Sigma used in any sports?  One sport that screams 6Sigma is auto racing.  Talk about a process optimizations opportunity…fuel milage, tire wear, handling, HP, etc…
    Kirk

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    #109527

    exball player now BB
    Participant

    6S could be applied to the management of sporting operations but not sure about the games themselves.  Athletes make millions on their capabilities and data that they produce but pretty much all of the such recorded data is very discrete.  Example, a ball in fair play can be recorded as a hit but is it because the defender had no shot of completing the out or was it because of a slow footed defender.  Not all inputs (defenders) operate at the same process parameters although they play the same position.  There are many statisticians who have devoted their lives to studying box scores and some are even being employed by organizations, Paul DePodesta for the LA Dodgers and Bill James for the Red Sox.  There is even a company that has gotten so close to simulate outcomes of games based on stats that it was sold for millions, STATS, Inc.  The book Moneyball outlines applying a data driven method towards sports.  The Oakland A’s have been able to operate very efficiently at the top of the MLB while having one of baseball’s lowest payrolls.

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    #109531

    RubberDude
    Member

    SS = Six Sigma or Short Stop…..
    BB = Black Belt or Base on Balls…..
    Sounds like an undergound plot to me……

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    #109532

    K. Lo
    Participant

    But, the inputs (any field position) CAN have parameters, think of completing a regression analysis of potential inputs’ performances in the described and other situations (let’s pretend we’re in a baseball vacuum); wouldn’t a coach want inputs which performed consistently within the expected regression lines?  Even though people are organic and different, their performances can be compared and benchmarked.  That would certainly “level the playing field.”
    Did I mention that I do stand-up on the side…
    And what about looking at a sigma shift for improvements in the process simply by getting the right inputs?  Isn’t that what trades are all about?

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    #109533

    RubberDude
    Member

    Possum Day is topped off with the crowning of the Possum Queen.  While many folks will claim dibbs on the event, I’m not sure many can argue with an organization for the protection of the lowly possum called “Possums Unlimited” or “PU” for short….. Maybe not as well known as its big uncle “Ducks Unlimited” but just as fiesty…….
    http://www.frontporchmusic.org/possums_unlimited.htm
    RubberDude – Certified Grand Master Holiday Inn Express Black Belt

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    #109534

    exball player now BB
    Participant

    Aligning the inputs to a regression model would work fine if the variation of defensive postioning did not depend on the pitching sequence which a defense will move according to anticipated pitch location.  Once you consider the variations of pitch accuracy, hitter timing, and defense positioning those inputs may be considered uncontrolled by process experts. 
    So with all things considered there are 2 ways to look at it, pitchers get lucky when hitter get out or hitters get lucky when they get a hit.  With either of those 2 philosophies you cannot have any of baseball’s hallowed superstitions and 220 lb beer goggled slump busters grenades.

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    #109535

    RubberDude
    Member

    OK… so my prediciton about the Yanks was worng…. I still hold to the seven times 3 theory.  Seven game NLDS, Seven game ALDS, and now….. get ready…. for a seven game World Series…. (at least six…..)  Good for the economy…..

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    #109542

    babe
    Participant

    and bad for the sox…..go astro’s…the curse will live because sox are proven losers since 1918

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    #109543

    John H.
    Participant

    Billybob
    I Agree!!
    Motivated* great hitting is master to tired pitching”.
    *Hearing the NY fans chant “Who’s your daddy” certaintly energized the Sox hitting.
    Great game!
    John H.

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    #109577

    billybob
    Participant

    Hello folks,
    Ok Babe, I’ll bite and ask the question.
    What time does the game between the Sox and Astro’s start?  Oh, the Astro’s aren’t in the World Series?
    Later,
    Billybob

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    #109776

    billybob
    Participant

    Hello Folks,
    Uncle George has ended the highest payroll of loser he could assemble.  Who would want to trade for any of them and assume their hugh contracts?  I guess he can spend  more money picking up Pedro and others…but he’s still saddled with contracts of players he’d need to dump. 
    Pass years have shown both sides of the coin.  An owner can buy a World Series Championship while other teams can simply play their way to winning; such as the Angles last year.
     
    Later,
    Billybob

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    #109901

    RubberDude
    Member

    Question 1:  BillyBob is:
    A.  Recovering from mass consumption of celebratory ale due to the lifting of “the curse.”
    B.  Collecting winnings from his WS bets that will help defer the amount he has bet over the years on the Red Sox.
    C.  Stuck in traffic in the grid around Fenway.
    D.  Waiting in line to hug Johnny Damon, Derek Lowe, and Terry Francona.
    E.  Travelling to either New York or St. Louis to thumb his nose at either Jeter or Pujols.

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