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  • #94693

    granchelli
    Participant

    I would be very happy to recieve a copy of your manual as well.
    [email protected]
    Best regards,
    Houston

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    #94697

    Anon2
    Participant

    I see that we are having the latest round of “please send me the manual”.  Has anyone on this very long list actually received a copy???
    Inquiring minds want to know…..

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    #94698

    Anonymous
    Guest

    Hear, hear – this question has been bugging me for some time !

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    #94793

    Eduardo Moura
    Participant

    Dear Sander:
    I share your thoughts about Shainin tools! Appreciate your effort to promote those simple yet quite useful tools that work so well in many cases, mostly GB projects. And, yes, would you please e-mail me your famous Shainin Tools Manual? Thanks in advance,
    Eduardo Moura

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    #94801

    GERARDO ACOSTA
    Participant

    Jacobo Tijerina, if you are or another person would share information above mentioned , please sent to my e-mail.
    Thanks in advance

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    #94804

    Anonymous
    Guest

    I still find the ‘Shainin’ problem solving methods useful. “World Class Quality” by K. Bhote covers nearly all the methods I’m aware of with the exception of the Isoplot (bivariate metrology test) and randomised sequence.
    Unfortunately, Shainin did not realise the importance of Cpk= 2 for step yields and his Pre-Control Method to my mind is a disaster. Our version of pre-control was to qualify equipment before each shift using so-called multi-vari wafers. The results were then plotted using software – a multi-vari charts, using tests of proportions and Hotelling’s T-squared. (Data not random and independent.) We also plotted the process mean and the process uniformity on separate X-bar and R charts. (I was not familar EWMA charts at that time.)

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    #94809

    Aquilo
    Participant

    Sander
     
    If the offer is still open I’d like the opportunity to read the manual also.
    [email protected]

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    #94982

    Hersey
    Participant

    Hi Sander,
    I have been following the email and I would also appreciate a copy of your manual.
    Thanks, Don

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    #94983

    Savage
    Participant

    Sander got run over by a reindeer!!    There is no manual to send.  Stop asking for it.

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    #94992

    Ron
    Member

    Don’t waste your time.  Utilize the current toolkits of lean and six sigma and you will far exceed the Shainan tools.
     

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    #95193

    Interested
    Participant

    Sander,
    It’s been sometime since your offer, have you discovered a method to supply yout manual? If so, I’d be extemely interested in one. Could you forward one to me? Thank you in advance.
    Jim

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    #95363

    Ram
    Participant

    Please send me the manual if you are able to. Thanking you in advance.
     
    Ram

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    #95370

    Belkhede
    Participant

    Lewis,
                  Howdy?
    I think I came across the answer for your question before in a lecture series. I will send a detailed reply tomorrow. The part I remember is that the person who has documented it and experimented in these techniques, is now a consultant and is selling the information to people in a proprietary manner.
    Some  researchers are of  the feeling that it still hasn’t reached the level where many researchers can publish their findings.
    Yeah, WCQ is the best bet for the time being atleast.
    -Akash

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    #95406

    Cravens
    Participant

    It is my understanding that it is because people who take a course from Shainin are forced to sign a document that states that they are not allowed to teach these methods to other people. This makes sure that the Shainin folks are the sole source of training on this topic.

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    #95990

    Ezequiel
    Participant

    Sander, I would also be interested in looking at your manual. Can you send me a copy at: [email protected] Thanks in advance!

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    #96004

    PA
    Participant

    Can I have a copy too 
    [email protected]

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    #96010

    Tab
    Member

    please send me a copy of your materials
    [email protected]
     
    Thanks,
    Tab

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    #96038

    Ward
    Participant

    Sander,
     
    Could I get a copy of your manual.
     
    Thanks so much
     
    PTL

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    #96052

    webegeek
    Member

    Boy, bet you wished you said you would sell a copy for 20 bucks instead of giving it away. All the free copies would have paid for a trip to a nice island for a week.

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    #96053

    gg
    Participant

    Hi Sander,
     
    Can I get a copy of your manual?
     
    Thanks!

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    #96056

    Steve Clapp
    Member

    Sander,
    At long last someone has some information on the Shainin way.  Could you forward a copy of your manual to me?  It will help round out the set of methodologies and tools I am putting together as Quality Leader for my company.  My address is [email protected].  Thanks for your offer.
    Steve Clapp

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    #96057

    Savage
    Participant

    Don’t hold your breath Steve.  Look at how many people have requested this manual from Sander.  Nobody has received it.  Sander went on permanent vacation I think.

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    #96067

    Anonymous
    Guest

    Andyone interested in Shainin’s compilation of simple statistical tools might find the following URL of interest:
    http://www.maruna.nl/index.html
    By the way, most statisticians don’t like Shainin because his statistical tools don’t assume that data is: univariate, homogeneous, and random and independent.

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    #96084

    clb1
    Participant

    Andy,
       I don’t know where you’re getting this “most statisticians” stuff – how many hundred statisticians have you interviewed anyway????  I can’t speak for all of the others, but the reason I don’t care for Shainin’s tools is because the only examples I’ve ever seen (and these were presented by the man himself to a group of statisticians)  were – trivial, univariate, and overly simplistic.
      The presentation was an all day affair. I attended in the hopes of learning something new.  What I got was a short course that was long on techniques which could best be described as good engineering practice.  There is nothing wrong with good engineering, however, from the standpoint of useful tools, there was nothing in the presentation which couldn’t have been done better, cheaper, and faster with the (then) usual statistical methods.
      I suppose I could have missed something during that one day seminar but in the years since the presentiation I’ve had occasion to work with people who were attempting to solve problems using Shanin methods. Nothing, in any of the work I’ve seen, suggests these tools offer any real advantage over standard statistical practice.

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    #96089

    Anonymous
    Guest

    Clb1:
    I’ve assumed that the opinions of statisticians are ‘normally’ distributed, so I only have to know 15 statisticians or so to draw a conclusion …
    As for Shainin’s tools, I didn’t state they were all bivariate or multivariate, but some are – such as his Isoplot and Multi-vari chart for finding sources of variation. However, all the SS methods are univariate, homogeneous, and indepedent.
    Anyway, given the number of companies relocating to China, I suggest that it would be a good idea to review some of Dr. Harry’s assumptions before the USA becomes a second rate economy.

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    #96124

    clb1
    Participant

      Andy,
       I sincerely hope you are joking.  As anyone who has ever done survey analysis would tell you – divining the opinions of a large population (the American Statistical Association membership alone is over 5,000) from a study of the opinions of 15 members of that population is folly.
      As to the tool question I think we are talking past one another. In his presentation Shanin spent all of the time discussing univariate methods.  I subsequently learned of Isoplot and Multi-var but on the two occasions where I actually had to work with people who were trying to use these things, I didn’t see that they offered any advantage over the usual multivariate methods that are part and parcel of any statisticians training.
      My real complaint was your assertion that  “most statisticians don’t like Shainin because his statistical tools don’t assume that data is: univariate, homogeneous, and random and independent.”
      In your second post you did restrict the above claim to SS tools.  I would agree – many of the tools fit that criteria but others – such as DOE and multiple regression, don’t. 
      The real question, as far as I’m concerned, is how well do Shanin tools handle multivariance, heterogeneity, dependence, non-orthogonality, non-normality and all of the rest when run head-to-head with the well documented statistical techniques used to address these issues?  I’ve never seen a single technical paper which gives this kind of side-by-side comparison.  If you happen to know of such a paper and can provide the citation I, for one, would go out of my way to find a copy and read it.

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    #96150

    Anonymous
    Guest

    Clb1:
     
    Yes, I was being mischievous; but my assumption of homogeneity and normality amongst ‘most statistician’s opinions’ on the subject of Shainin is no worse than the one Dr. Harry and his colleagues made about real processes and products when they formulated ‘modern’ SS.
     
    The point I was trying to make is that a common criticism of the so-called Shainin techniques is that they lack statistical power. Surely the real question is whether or not the assumptions of homogeneity and independence are reasonable, or even a good approximation of a real process or product, to achieve statistical power?
     
    I agree with your multivariate data analysis conclusion.
     
    As for DOE and Multiple Regression, I am not aware of any SS use of the General Model; therefore, I do not regard these as multivariate methods, merely as multi-factorial methods. I believe that this is an important distinction because I yet to encounter any mating component or process layer, that is independent of another.

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    #96245

    Sam Jalal
    Member

    Dear Sender
    I would be interested if anybody can help with supplying material on shanin methodology.
    Thanks
     

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    #96593

    Erik Melchor
    Participant

    Sander!
    I’ll appreciate if you could send me a copy of your manual to:
    [email protected],
    Best Regards,
    Erik
     

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    #96594

    Savage
    Participant

    Erik,
    Don’t hold your breath on this request.  I don’t believe Sander ever sent his manual to anyone. 

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    #120950

    Tim
    Member

    Sander,
    Interesting thoughts. Would you please send a copy to me at [email protected]?
    Thanks,
    Tim

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    #143716

    GONZALEZ
    Participant

    Dear Sander pls mail me the manual at

    [email protected]
    Thanks

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