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  • March 13, 2002 at 6:04 pm #29002

    Neynes Ladha
    ★ 20 Years ★
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    Hello all
    Can anybody tell me or direct me to any key steps that might have been written by any of the six sigma gurus, i.e. Harry, Breyfogle, Schroeder etc.
    Im looking for material similar to Demings 14 point or Jurans 10 points, something that summarises six sigma.
    Kind Regrds
     
    NL

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    March 13, 2002 at 6:53 pm #73184

    aa
    ★ 10 Years ★
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    Hi, Post your email, in the forum, I shall mail, the requested info.
    regards
    AA

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    March 14, 2002 at 8:29 am #73191

    Khandekar
    ★ 10 Years ★
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    Could you send a copy to [email protected] please?
    Thanx

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    March 14, 2002 at 5:28 pm #73222

    aa
    ★ 10 Years ★
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    Atul,
    info post to your email account, check it out.

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    March 14, 2002 at 7:57 pm #73231

    Bobby
    ★ 20 Years ★
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    could you also send me that stuffs.
     
    thanks

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    March 15, 2002 at 12:53 pm #73254

    Ali Askari
    ★ 20 Years ★
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    Bobby and Neynes Ladha, what your email – post it in the forum ? – So I can despatch one page summary.
    regards
    AA

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    March 15, 2002 at 1:00 pm #73255

    Schultz
    ★ 10 Years ★
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    Can you post your one page summary to the forum? I’m hesitant about posting my email (although I want it also) because I know that people cruise boards like this looking for valid email addresses to sell to spammers.
    Please consider posting it here (use the link highlighted yellow to the right of this message).
    Thanks,Charlie

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    March 15, 2002 at 11:48 pm #73276

    Ø6 Sigma BB Coordinator
    ★ 10 Years ★
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    I just read “The Ultimate Six Sigma” by Keki Bhote.
    It is a new Six Sigma book published at the end of last year.
    In this book, there are 12 area of business excellence, the core concept of the Ultimate Six Sigma.
    However, I am not sure that if you consider Keki as a Six Sigma guru.
    For me, he is the greatest one in my heart.
    Six Sigma Black Belt Coordinator 

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    March 16, 2002 at 2:30 am #73278

    Rajanga Sivakumar
    ★ 20 Years ★
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    Hello AA,
    Can you please send me a copy at [email protected]
    Thanks
    Rajanga Sivakumar
     

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    March 16, 2002 at 3:01 am #73280

    Mike Carnell
    ★ 20 Years ★
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    During the middle 80’s I worked with Adi (his son) and Mario Perez-Wilson. The closest Keki has ever come to actually doing anything with Six Sigma was having Mario allow him to write a forward for his book or writing his own.
    Sorry Adi and Mario but in your hearts….

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    March 17, 2002 at 3:18 am #73294

    wang hedong
    ★ 20 Years ★
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    Hi ,do me a favor to send me a copy too.
    Thanks
    Wang [email protected]
     

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    March 17, 2002 at 4:20 am #73295

    Vallejo
    ★ 10 Years ★
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    ALI  ASKARI:
    So far you have received six requests for your offer.  Please include my name as the sixth person to contact you for a copy.
    My E-Mail address —- [email protected]
    Thank you for your offer and E-mailing —–  Carlos

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    March 17, 2002 at 12:45 pm #73301

    Vallejo
    ★ 10 Years ★
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    ALI  ASKARI
    Late last night I send you an e-mail requesting a copy of your list of Six Sigma points that follows the presentation of Deming’s 14 points and Juran’s 10 points.  It was late when I sent that e-mail (after a 4 hr driving trip in my car) and gave you my old address which was changed 10 days ago.  Please excuse me.
    My new address is [email protected].
    Another error that I made was stating that six persons had requested copies prior to my e-mail.  The number is really five persons and I am the sixth one.
     
    Carlos
     

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    March 18, 2002 at 11:31 am #73313

    aa
    ★ 10 Years ★
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    For those who do not list to post there email – here is mine.
    [email protected]
    Drop a note

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    March 18, 2002 at 11:58 am #73314

    Neynes Ladha
    ★ 20 Years ★
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    AA,
    Sorry for late reply, my email is
    [email protected]
    Cheers
    NL

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    March 18, 2002 at 1:53 pm #73318

    Ø6 Sigma BB Coordinator
    ★ 10 Years ★
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    Hi Mike.
    Thank you for your information.
    As I said, I am so impressed in the works of Keki.
    His 2 great books (in my heart) , World Class Quality and The Ultimate Six Sigma, help me have good understanding in Six Sigma.
    Then I respect him as my Six Sigma Guru.
    The word Guru is originally an Asian word. I am an Asian. I understand the deep meaning of this word which may be slightly different from your definition.
    The root meaning of Guru is hard (hard-working). Then Guru means anyone who do hard work to make others understand somthing.
    From the above, it is enough for me to state that “Keki is the greatest Six Sigma Guru in my heart”.
    You may not agree on that but you can not steal his greatness from my heart.
    Six Sigma Black Belt Coordinator

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    March 18, 2002 at 2:35 pm #73321

    Mike Carnell
    ★ 20 Years ★
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    Mr.Coordinator,
    Your heart is safe. I have no designs on stealing it.
    I know quite a few of the authors out there today who write about Six Sigma. Most have never done a project. It does not make them a fraud as long as they only write from the third person. My problem comes from them dipensing advice to people who are making a legitimate effort to apply a methodology when they actually have no first hand experience. Maybe being a guru wouldn’t be as much work if people wrote about things they actually understood.
    Rod Howes and I sat in Penang, Malaysia about 3 months ago. He was reviewing an article I wrote. He said he hadn’t seen this documented before and asked where the idea came from (this isn’t intended to be self promotion – I will make my point in a moment). What I told Rod was it wasn’t the “me to” people that were writing books while everyone else was practicing the trade. It was those of us who had been doing it a while who needed to figure out what were the subtle things that made this stuff work and get it documented. The large hand motions are well known and documented and the world certainly doesn’t need another book full of formulas and Greek symbols when that isn’t what it is all about. (most got experience after they wrote the book or else never bothered)
    Mario Perez Wilson has lived this before anyone really documented what we were doing. Greg Brue (I don’t think his first book is still available) has a book coming out – we did Allied, GE, etc. together, Breyfogel did at least one deployment (Bombadier) that I am aware of before he wrote his first book. That is about it. The idea of a chain is only as strong as its’ weakest link. Don’t start with a weak link.

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    March 18, 2002 at 4:17 pm #73327

    Dictionary Owner
    ★ 20 Years ★
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    Dictionary.com lists lists “guru” as having Hindi / Indo-European roots, and comes from the Sanskrit guru, meaning heavy
    See for yourself at http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=guru

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    March 18, 2002 at 4:24 pm #73328

    aa
    ★ 10 Years ★
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    Hinduism & Tibetan Buddhism. A personal spiritual teacher.

    A teacher and guide in spiritual and philosophical matters.
    A trusted counselor and adviser; a mentor.

    A recognized leader in a field: the guru of high finance.
    An acknowledged and influential advocate, as of a movement or idea: “In a culture that worships slimness, he was the Guru of Lean” (Erica Abeel).
    Guru !

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    March 18, 2002 at 10:56 pm #73350

    Mike Carnell
    ★ 20 Years ★
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    All,
    Thank you for the definitions of Guru. (that is the sincere part)
    Regardless of how we define it Keki still hasn’t had anything to do with it. (except write a book and impress Mr Coordiator – which was probably the point of writing the book. Zero involvement to guru in one book. Anyone else want to be a guru. Choose a field write a book and you are there)
     

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    March 19, 2002 at 1:25 am #73361

    Swaggerty
    ★ 10 Years ★
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    Greg Brue (I don’t think his first book is still available) has a book coming out.
    Since his first book was ghost writen and largely borrowed (the term is used generously), does he qualify as a guru yet?

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    March 19, 2002 at 1:44 am #73363

    Mike Carnell
    ★ 20 Years ★
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    George,
    Is this George G____n? The question sounds like it.
    Yes, Greg has another book coming out. There are Ghost Writers and editors involved in everything even magazine articles. Greg’s book would not be any different. I did the Frontiers of Quality article in January “Quality Progress”. I had a wonderful editor named Kristen Johnson who did a great job of making me sound like my IQ was about twice what it is without disturbing the content of the article. These are wonderful people.
    As a guru, Greg qualifies. He was with us at Allied Automotive. He was one of the 3 of us that GE retained. He did Navistar. He still runs a pretty extensive crew. The only problem working with Greg is trying to keep up with him. He moves at Mach II most of the time and sleeps less than anyone I know.
    If I had to pick someone to work a project with he would be the first. He has Ray Everhart, Linus Kelly, & Char Stocker working with him. It doesn’t get much better than that.

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    March 19, 2002 at 2:01 am #73366

    Mike Carnell
    ★ 20 Years ★
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    George,
    Couple more thoughts. First I misspelled Shar’s name (Ispelled it Char).
    Second, the material is “borrowed.” Let’s go to 1964. Joe Juran writes a book titled “Managerial Breakthrough.” Does that sound vaguely familiar? The graph on page 7 has appeared in several books. Greg is the only person I have seen give Juran credit. As for the rest of the stuff – they are full of formulas. Original material? I don’t think so. What is borrowed and what isn’t. Can’t copyright a formula or an idea (the law). So what is original thought? How much do you have to change it before it is yours?
    Let’s compare the calculation for Mean and Standard deviation in every stats book in the world. How different are they? Does that make the book borrowed? I have reviewed some of Greg’s new material for him. It looked clean.
    I guess I don’t see your point. If you have a problem with Greg he has the same cell number he has had since 1995. 
    If you don’t have it, email me and I can set up a call for you with Greg.
    Thanks.

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    March 19, 2002 at 1:41 pm #73384

    Ø6 Sigma BB Coordinator
    ★ 10 Years ★
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    You are closed to the point. The word has the root from Sanskrit. We use many Sanskrit words in our country.
    In my language, we use the word “heavy” and “hard” with the same word, “nak”.   We use the word gru (teacher) which has the same meaning as guru. In our country, the facultiy of education is called guru science faculty. It means the science which is hard or heavy. We use this word with a respectful mind and spirit.
    Six Sigma Black Belt Coordinator

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    March 20, 2002 at 7:14 pm #73447

    Enrique mendoza
    ★ 20 Years ★
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    AA
    Hello can I receive a copy too
     [email protected]
    Thanks a lot   

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