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October 1, 2007 at 10:53 pm #48291
Will we ever have a beer company step up to the plate and make a six sigma quality beer every single time?
0October 1, 2007 at 10:55 pm #162216That would be Guinness, my good man!
0October 1, 2007 at 10:57 pm #162219So it can produce with less than 3.4 DPMO?
0October 1, 2007 at 10:59 pm #162222
BrandonParticipant@BrandonInclude @Brandon in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Depends on what you define as a defect. If the CTQ is making one more intelligent, then they all pretty much work the same.
0October 1, 2007 at 11:00 pm #162224If you have to ask, than you obviously haven’t collected enough data.
You are a “no-go” at this station. Report to your nearest stocking dealer and enact a redefined sampling strategy.0October 1, 2007 at 11:00 pm #162225Let me finish a million, then I’ll let you know.
0October 1, 2007 at 11:09 pm #162231Excellent point Brandon,
Here is a short list of defects areas that need correction
1. I can’t afford a beer :-(
2. The beer is not cold enough
3. Too much or too little or not the best tasting hops
4. My beer went stale – oh Nooooooooooooooooo
5. I can’t taste my beer – ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
6. I’ll taste my beer when this head goes down
7. When consumed from a can or bottle you lose the smell
8. Beer is too light, too dark, or too cloudy
9. Beer is too young – I can still taste the yeast
10. What? You ran out of my Six Sigma beer?0October 1, 2007 at 11:16 pm #162233discrete data is not prefferred.
Try developing some continuous measures.0October 1, 2007 at 11:17 pm #162234
ConfusedParticipant@ConfusedInclude @Confused in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Sample size my friend – then add some benchmarking too
no kidding – let the data collection begin0October 1, 2007 at 11:23 pm #162236….so if CTQ’s are those things Critical To Quaffing then we really don’t want a beer that will have 3.4 DPMO (Drunks Per Million Ounces) anything that weak wouldn’t make its first sale!
0October 1, 2007 at 11:34 pm #162237I’m all for consuming beer continuously
0October 2, 2007 at 2:32 am #162267
ConfusedParticipant@ConfusedInclude @Confused in your post and this person will
be notified via email.I am 95% confident that there is a statistical difference between a Guiness and Miller beer!
clb1 – of course i considered the CTQ – so was going to do some VOC (Vodka and Orange with the Customer) to ensure we are on the same page, then a QFD (Quick Funnel Drink) before I catorgorize into a KANO analysis to ensure I have the right customer segments. I realize I have some BETA risks (Bad Ethanol Tolerance Analysis) but hoping to work in the 50/4 rule (or 80/20) whichever becomes clearer to me first.0October 2, 2007 at 2:37 am #162270Initially I am 95% confident as well. As time goes on my confidence level diminishes some what and can not tell the difference nor care about the difference between the two.
0October 2, 2007 at 6:26 am #162281
fake accrington alertParticipant@fake-accrington-alertInclude @fake-accrington-alert in your post and this person will
be notified via email.With alcohol or without?
0October 2, 2007 at 6:29 am #162282
fake accrington alertParticipant@fake-accrington-alertInclude @fake-accrington-alert in your post and this person will
be notified via email.11.Need to visit the dirty “bathroom” several time
0October 2, 2007 at 12:51 pm #162299
Ken FeldmanParticipant@DarthInclude @Darth in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Recently returned from a trip to Munich. Now them boys can brew up a beer or two. Fell in love with Weiss Beer, an unfiltered wheat beer that gives a great head when poured. Also visited the world’s oldest brewery founded in 1040 by monks. Practice makes perfect because that there’s pretty potent beer.
0October 2, 2007 at 1:17 pm #162300I agree with Guiness. Kalik Gold Red Stripe for when you are in the
islands mood are good.0October 2, 2007 at 1:25 pm #162304I was told at the brewery that Guiness is blended to taste from multiple batches. If they have to blend the original beer batches to acquire the desired taste, wouldn’t that put the overall process pretty far down the old DPMO curve? Let’s not even talk about batch processing…
Besides, there’s alway Beamish…0October 2, 2007 at 1:44 pm #162311Schmidt had bad flavor down every time. Over 6 sigma.
Stevo
Ps. – Gotta love that animal beer.0October 2, 2007 at 2:41 pm #162314
w. g. millerMember@w.-g.-millerInclude @w.-g.-miller in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Seriously, folks, I was told in college that a lot of the basics for statistical quality control (e.g.; “Student’s T”) were developed by a W. Gossett for Guinness. This was back in the 1830s, when the fermentation process was not understood. Once Pastuer did his fermentation work, the way was clear for brewers to make consistent products.
These days, all big and most small brewers are good at making a consistent product. Whether these products are consistently good or consistently bad is a matter of taste and beyond the scope of this post.
0October 2, 2007 at 2:47 pm #162315Sounds like you need to try brewing your own beer. Did it once a long time ago. We didn’t use any special equipment. A very large pot, ingredients that you can choose with your taste, glass bottles and caps. A good yeast is important.
0October 2, 2007 at 2:55 pm #162316
Adam L BowdenParticipant@Adam-L-BowdenInclude @Adam-L-Bowden in your post and this person will
be notified via email.From a customers perspective – Guiness provided customer satisfaction wih just 3.4 Drinks Per Month Only (3.4 DPMO) :^)
Adam0October 2, 2007 at 3:08 pm #162318I think the 1830’s were a bit before his time. Gossett was born in 1876. He developed his test method around 1900 and published it in 1908.
0October 2, 2007 at 3:08 pm #162319I’ve been spending a lot of off-work time in London pubs and Munich beer gardens these days, and I’ve tasted many six sigma beers there ! They make fun of our U.S. new world brands.
0October 2, 2007 at 5:51 pm #162325I’ll give you that Darth…Guinness aside, Hofbrauhaus-Munchen is indeed top drawer!
I’m getting thirsty…0October 2, 2007 at 11:47 pm #162377Cheers to Gossett
0October 3, 2007 at 4:37 am #162393Looking forward to a Fosters afterwork myself
0October 3, 2007 at 4:53 am #162397Fake, 5s your bathroom and don’t forget to celebrate with a cold one afterwards. Kudo’s to positive reinforcements!!!!!
0October 3, 2007 at 4:55 am #162398Without alcohol?
Looking for Six Sigma beer – not root beer :-)~0October 3, 2007 at 3:14 pm #162428You could check out this post on my blog:http://learnsigma.com/six-sigma-alcohol/Here’s a snippet:At Six Sigma Vineyards and Winery we combine the old-world art of making wine with the science of data-driven Six Sigma principles. To accomplish this, we have gathered a team of experts working with us towards a common goal: Making wine of an extraordinary quality at an affordable price.The data-driven principles of Six Sigma are employed, not only in the wine-making process as such, but in all stages of the process, for example when we:* Conduct extensive analyzes of soil, water and climate to find the most favorable sites for our vineyards.
* Choose rootstocks that thrive best in the soil composition of a given vineyard.
* Meticulously prune vines to enhance the quality of grapes and to allow consistent ripening.
* Apply chemical and sensory analyzes to pick the grapes at just the right time to produce optimal flavor in the wine.
* Listen to the voice of the customer – whether you are a sophisticated wine drinker with well-defined preferences, a social wine drinker who knows what you like and wants the security of consistency, or you just want a good place to start.Rob0October 5, 2007 at 12:00 am #162582
ConfusedParticipant@ConfusedInclude @Confused in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Were you there for October fest? Do they sell the monk beer or do you have to go there to try it? I’m confused – monks make beer – nice!?
0October 5, 2007 at 1:58 am #162596
Mike CarnellParticipant@Mike-CarnellInclude @Mike-Carnell in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Beer,
I have not read all the posts in this string so I apologize if this is redundant.
The SAB Miller Company (SAB = South African Breweries) has a Six Sigma program. I don’t have any first hand knowledge of it outside of South Africa and I don’t know if they have a project specifically targeted at creating a SS beer – whatever that would mean.
It is an interesting company. They have a pretty amazing growth profile over the last decade.
Good luck.0October 5, 2007 at 2:30 am #162598
JStephenParticipant@JStephenInclude @JStephen in your post and this person will
be notified via email.I work for SAB in the states and I am currently getting my Black Belt. My projects have been focused heavy on waste, but I am in the middle of a DOE that has Y’s of Fill height and TPO (total packaged oxygen). The lower the TPO the fresher the beer……
0October 5, 2007 at 2:42 am #162600
Mike CarnellParticipant@Mike-CarnellInclude @Mike-Carnell in your post and this person will
be notified via email.JStephen,
I can see where a beer characteristic such as freshness could be measured at some sigma level. But the original question was can/will there be a SS beer would seem to impossible for the beer drinking market in general. I can see it for a market segment possibly.
The MSA would be interesting.
You definately have a SS bar at HQ in Sandton.
Good luck.0October 5, 2007 at 2:56 am #162602I look forward in trying out the SAB Miller beer someday
0October 5, 2007 at 3:05 am #162604God bless you, man
Thank you and your team for all your work in making great beer
I believe i speak for the majority when I state that we stand together on this forum to assist you in any way
Cheers0October 5, 2007 at 3:10 am #162605
Mike CarnellParticipant@Mike-CarnellInclude @Mike-Carnell in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Beer,
You need to checkout their website. They own a lot of different brands. You may be drinking one currently.
Regards0October 5, 2007 at 4:43 am #162607
fake accrington alertParticipant@fake-accrington-alertInclude @fake-accrington-alert in your post and this person will
be notified via email.I believe more important is to develop a SS car
0October 5, 2007 at 4:48 am #162609I agree, we need 6-sigma cars so we can:
a. drive to get our 6-sigma beer
b. drive to get the munchies to enjoy with our 6-sigma beer
c. drive to court to pay our 6-sigma drunk driving fine
d. all of the above0October 5, 2007 at 4:49 am #162610
fake accrington alertParticipant@fake-accrington-alertInclude @fake-accrington-alert in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Great nonsense:SS Beer with alcohol specially when driving a car.
0October 5, 2007 at 4:50 am #162611
fake accrington alertParticipant@fake-accrington-alertInclude @fake-accrington-alert in your post and this person will
be notified via email.What about SS Girls?
0October 5, 2007 at 4:54 am #162612
fake accrington alertParticipant@fake-accrington-alertInclude @fake-accrington-alert in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Warum?
Sprechen sie deutsch?0October 5, 2007 at 4:58 am #162613
fake accrington alertParticipant@fake-accrington-alertInclude @fake-accrington-alert in your post and this person will
be notified via email.How it comes that SS is using so an old tool and pretends to be an advanced approach? Please explain as I’m confused
0October 5, 2007 at 5:03 am #162614
fake accrington alertParticipant@fake-accrington-alertInclude @fake-accrington-alert in your post and this person will
be notified via email.If such a SS Beer would be produced I suggest an attractive Brand name: Stan Beer .Do you agree? waiting for your kind approval to start the production line
0October 5, 2007 at 10:45 am #162622Do any of you people have jobs or did you all get your BB’s and retire?
0October 5, 2007 at 11:22 am #162624
Ken FeldmanParticipant@DarthInclude @Darth in your post and this person will
be notified via email.No, we all got our MBBs, worked many decades, saved and invested our money, retired and now play and seek to pass along a little of our knowledge and experience. A worthy path for others to follow.
0October 5, 2007 at 12:28 pm #162627
fake accrington alertParticipant@fake-accrington-alertInclude @fake-accrington-alert in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Very Good Point
0October 5, 2007 at 12:31 pm #162628
fake accrington alertParticipant@fake-accrington-alertInclude @fake-accrington-alert in your post and this person will
be notified via email.An Excellent Visional Answer,brief and impressive.
0October 5, 2007 at 4:45 pm #162643Even better would be Lean GG girls serving SS Beer
but we’re dreaming – i’ll settle for a 3-sigma girl0October 5, 2007 at 4:48 pm #162644
Mike CarnellParticipant@Mike-CarnellInclude @Mike-Carnell in your post and this person will
be notified via email.S Cubed,
I see this type of post every now and then. The part that I find interesting is that just maybe you make that judgement because you are looking at in the context of what you have for a job and the hours you work. Just maybe some of us don’t go to an office every day and work from 9 to 5. Just maybe Darth did invest well. Just maybe some people choose to do this rather than watch TV at night. Maybe some people are working late at night and run the discussion forum in the background so when they take a break they can see what is going on.
Have you ever considered you post is a little judgemental and perhaps you have some tunnel vision going on?0October 5, 2007 at 5:08 pm #162647
Ken FeldmanParticipant@DarthInclude @Darth in your post and this person will
be notified via email.GG Girls? How demeaning.
0October 5, 2007 at 5:19 pm #162649
BrandonParticipant@BrandonInclude @Brandon in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Beer – settling for 3 sigma girls….enough beer will do that to you. Enough beer and the clock….
0October 5, 2007 at 5:20 pm #162648You don’t like GG (Golden Girls)?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfU-xCk7nNc
Have a beer and enjoy0October 10, 2007 at 10:47 pm #162940
Mike CarnellParticipant@Mike-CarnellInclude @Mike-Carnell in your post and this person will
be notified via email.Beer,
It may happen before you realize. If you checkout the news SAB is working on a deal to buy Coors. That will make them #1 in the world and #2 in the US. I think it was Auggie that said he didn’t want to be the #1 beer in the US. He wanted to be the only beer in the US. It looks like the people in South Africa have set their sights on that same spot.
I told you these guys were aggressive.
Good luck0October 10, 2007 at 10:59 pm #162943Fantastic
I love Coors
Cheers0October 11, 2007 at 1:07 pm #162971I have to agree with Mike Carnell. Take the post for what it is and move on. Did you really think you were going to gain a plethora of SS insight from the subject “Six Sigma Beer”?
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