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    Stephens
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    Question #1: In different organizations, what is the differences in the training conducted for Green Belts as compared to Black Belt training?
    The reason that I ask this questions is this, in my previous last two organizations where Six Sigma was utilized, Black Belts went through a 4 month training process utilizing everything from Basic Quality Improvement Tools to DOEs. Where the Green Belts were only instructed in the use of Basic Quality Tools.
    I am presently with a new organization and have been tasked with Implementation and Roll-out of a Six Sigma Program for the entire organization on a corporate-level. And before I arrived they already had a outside consultant provide training for Green Belts and after reviewing the material that the consultant provided that this organization is considering purchasing, it is the same material normally taught at the Black Belt-level and not Green Belt. 
    Question #2: Has there been movement in the Six Sigma community that I  am not aware of to use the same material to train both Green belts and Black Belts?
    It was explained to me that both Green Belts and Black Belts are taught the same but are differentiated only by whether they are dedicated to Six Sigma Projects (hence, Black Belt) or are Part-time participants (hence, Green Belts)
    But my past experience has always been that part-time participants are more apt to not be as effective in utilizing the more advanced Statistical Tools (DOE for example) due to lack of utilization, so practice has always been to teach Green Belts at a level commensurate with their project exposure and responsibilities (the Basic Quality Improvement Tools where the only tools required in the Green Belts Toolbox for success) and utilize the Full-time Black Belts for the more advanced projects that require more powerful tools in their toolbox.
    I hope that I can receive a few reponses on this matter. Just wanted to get a few opinions to assist in my planning strategy for this organization.
    Thank you in advance for any assistance.

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    #85500

    Trev
    Member

    Craig,
    I use the iSixSigma body of knowledge as a reference for our Black Belts and Green Belts all the time. You can find it here: https://www.isixsigma.com/library/content/c010618a.asp
    Training is similar between GBs and BBs, but GBs don’t have as much breadth and depth. For instance, there’s no need to teach them how to do a full DOE (depth) although the concept is mentioned/taught. Another example is that Goodness of Fit Testing isn’t even taught (breadth) to GBs. Does that make sense?
    In response to your second question, yes, try to utilize as much of the same material as possible. Most likely you’re going to remove many sections of the BB training to give to GBs. This is, of course, going to vary by business — perhaps you don’t do full GB training and train online only — that would have a major effect.
    I hope my thoughts helped. I do agree with you, it appears.
    Best,Trev

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    #85504

    Lomax
    Participant

    Craig,
    The first two weeks of training is the same for both Green and Black belt candidates.  Green Belts are done after two weeks, the Blacks go on for Weeks 3 and 4.  Week 3 is focused on DOE, while Week 4 is focused on advanced stat topics, culture change, etc.
     

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    #85506

    Mikel
    Member

    The trend I see in GB training is to do it Excel based, so that it becomes affordable to do for all professionals in your organization. Minitab or Jump gets real expensive to do for everybody at $1K per seat. I agree with the distinctions already mentioned between GB and BB.

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    #85509

    Darrell
    Participant

    In my experience the green belt training was a separate entity from the BB training all together..yes the green belt’s covered alot of the same material, but the level of detail was no where close to what the BB training is…
    to say that the first two weeks of green belt training is the same as the first two weeks of BB training is not true…if it was, then probably 99% of my green belts would have dropped out because it is much more intensive and detail oriented than the BB’s

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    #85511

    Grumpy
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    Yeah, we’ve found that Word and PowerPoint get expensive too, so we do all our word processing and presentations in Excel too. We’re still trying to figure out how to use Excel for e-mail.

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    #85513

    Mikel
    Member

    trying posting your response to Excel next time instead of here.

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    #85558

    Stephens
    Participant

    I would like to thank everyone for their input, this has given me some good information for a starting point.
    Thanks Again,
    Craig

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    #85649

    GE BB
    Participant

    In GE , The training materials for the GB and BB arealmost similar , but the material is covered in depth for BB also the training period for BB is 18 to 24 months and atleast 10 projects, whereas for GB there is no timeline and 1 project is enough.

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    #85656

    Pavitar Singh
    Participant

    I have undergone Six Months extensive training on Advanced Quality Improvement tools like DOE, ANNOVA,Regression Annalysis & Process Capability Analysis & Monitoring Etc..under an Six Sigma Consultant in year 2001-02. Since then I have undertaken & facilitated many Improvement Projects reaping significant tangible & non Tangible benefits to my organisation.Considering my Performance & SIx Sigma Mind set I have been given the responsibility of Steering the Quality Improvent Process Management Initiative taken at Organisation level . I feel I should complete the process of getting myself certified as ” Black Belt” & subsequent spread this into my Organisation.KIndly advise me about the Process of getting certified  myself & then facilitate my collegues for the same.

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    #85668

    Six Sigma Saviour
    Member

    In my experience there is one major difference between a black belt and a green belt.   Money. I’m down on the tail end of the pareto chart of earnings.
    All the responsibility, half the time to do it in and less money to boot.
    Green belts are a bargain! Get yours while they are hot!

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    #85673

    Rick Morrow
    Member

    #1. Two corporations that I have created material for teach the full DMAIC including hypothesis testing, confidence intervals and simpler DOE to Green Belts in a two week period.
    Black Belt is an additional two weeks and adds multiple factor hypothesis testing, data transformation, other DOE designs particularly useful for the business and the Lean Enterprise Toyota Production System.
     
    #2 We find success in using the same first two weeks of training for Green Belts and Black Belts. The full DMAIC methodology speeds results The reason I do this is because I believe to consider success in using Six Sigma is to use the full DMAIC. Not teaching hypothesis testing and DOE to Green Belts increases the risk of invalid results in complex problems.Of course, if the complexity of the problem is low, maybe one does not benefit from applying Six Sigma?

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