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  • #66915

    Anonymous
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    This is strictly a business decision for a company. They clearly waste orders of magnitude more money daily with poor systems and poor decisions — and know one seems to be outraged by the high cost of this!

    The answer to your question — so far so good.

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    #66921

    Dona
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    There are people in India, China, and all over Asia Pacific conducting Green and Black Belt, so cost does not appear to be and obstacle for them.

    Is it unreasonable to pay $20k to receive an annual return of >$200k? Seems like a fairly easy decision to me.

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    #27372

    Sankar Das
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    Many organizations today feel the need for adopting Six Sigma Methodologies. There is a structured approach of Six Sigma implementation for which Black Belt Training/certification is said to be necessary. I was trying to find out the cost of this training and found that they range from US$12000 to US$23000 (approx.)per candidate.

    I wonder why is it so costly? It means a huge amount of money if you are from a developing/underdeveloped country. My question to the reputed Six Sigma Trainers, Do you think Six Sigma will spread all over the world if the course fees remain so high?

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    #66934

    Sankar Das
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    You need not be an “anonymous” in expressing your views!!

    A company which is conscious about quality and productivity only can think of Six Sigma implementation. If it has a workforce of 45000 people, it may need to train about 100 Black Belts. You can workout the cost.

    The standard of Six Sigma training in India is not upto the mark. I have not seen anyone who has helped save a company US$200K from one Black Belt project (as claimed by many consultants).If in a company each of the 100 Black Belts can do 4 projects in a year, making a savings of US$200K, then it works out to increase in profit by about 50% (in a large Indian company). Can anyone guarantee this?

    Under this situation I raised the question, is it affordable by a developing country?

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    #67079

    Hemant Urdhwraeshe
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    I think the issue is availability of qualified good trainers. The cost is significantly inflated due to the shortage of good people and kind of ‘brand’ value attached to six sigma. Consider the similarity between the CQE (ASQ) and Black belt ‘body of knowledge’. But the CQE training and qualification is available at a much lesser cost (about 100 times less expensive!!). Thus one can think about a smarter solution to this at a much lesser and therefore affordable cost.

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    #67331

    P. S JAWADEKAR
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    IN DEVELOPING COUNTRY LIKE INDIA, ONE NEED NOT SPEND EXORBITANT MONEY TO GET BLACK BELT TRAINING.SIX SIGMA IS THE LAST THING TO BE AIMED AT. AIMING SIX SIGMA QUALITY IS NOTHING BUT CONTROLLING ALL PROCESSES , MANUFACTURING AND NON MANUFACTURING AT A ZERO DEFECT LEVEL,WHILE INCREASING THE CAPABILITY OF A PROCESS,TO ENHANCE THE INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL CUSTOMER SATISFACTION.THERE ARE PROCESSES WHICH ARE AT THE LEVEL OF ONE TO THREE SIGMA, FIRST IMPROVE THESE PROCESSES TO FOUR SIGMA LEVEL. FOR IMPROVEMENT SOME PROCESSES MAY NOT NEED SIGMA,SQC APPROACH.TACKLE THEM FIRST. SAVINGS WILL BE SUBSTANTIAL.ONE NEED NOT COPY WHAT IS BEING DONE ELSEWHERE.SO CALLED BLACK BELT TRAINING CAN BE LEARNED GRADUALLY FROM WITHIN THE ORGANISATION,PROVIDED ORGANISATION EMBARKS ON SOLVING PROCESS QUALITY PROBLEMS THROUGH SQC, STARTING WITH SIMPLE SEVEN QC TOOLS.GOOD SQC EXPERT CAN DEVELOPE A TRAINING PROGRAMME WITH THE HELP OF OPERATING PEOPLE,TO BE MADE COMPANY AND PRODUCT/ PROCESS SPECIFIC.ALL FOUR SIGMA PROCESSES THEN CAN BE FURTHER IMPROVED TO REACH FIVE AND SIX SIGMA LEVEL.SUSTAINANCE OF THE PROCESS IS EQUALLY IMPORTANT.

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    #67345

    gt
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    As a Master black belt, i strongly believe that six sigma is there to stay. We started the initiative in 97. Today we’re looking forward to train ,developp and give the tools to our suppliers so we can meet the customers expectations.

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    #67352

    Sambuddha
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    Interesting thought.

    The cost of SS training turns out to be high in India and other developing countries is mainly because of the exchange rate. I would have accepted that the price is fundamentally high if, the Return On Investment was low.
    You pay price for the value you derive.

    Still, the above point doesn’t address the issue of an affordable training program where the cost is not a deterrent. Consultants could be expensive. I agree.
    But then one could form a consortium of SixSigma professionals who would train for lower cost as a service to the community. We are not there yet….

    Also the cost might be high to start with…..but eventually demand and supply will take over.Wouldn’t you agree?

    As regards the money, $20000 per person- Don’t sweat much, as these trained people (selected ones with the aptitude) would train others in house.
    I other words, SixSigma deployment works well in the long run as it is a self sustaining process.

    Best,

    Sambuddha

    p.s. Hemant I agree with you in principle but here is where I differ:
    Sixsigma name is symbolic. It is true that you want a 3.4 dpmo parts (assuming a Motorola like process) for consumer application to say loosely. As I mentioned before, an airline should not operate its CTQ (Critical to Quality) Processes at 6 sigma but maybe 8/or 10 – i don’t know.
    The sigma level should be determined by addressing the customer need. And SixSigma is a breakthrough methodolgy….i don’t see why you cannot get to sixsigma level quickly if you design & tolerance your CTQ characteristics right (knowing your process limitations) and control your process.

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